So? John Cena seems to be the go to guy. Can I just ask "What the fuck?"
Can I also ask why we're supposed to care about John Cena?
I mean he's a generic guy in green tights. Who the fuck cares? He looks like any number of guys I went to highschool with. Generic.
After a certain point, I don't care if nobody cheers or booa Brock Lesnar. I don't care. He scares me. And I idolize Paul Heyman. Lesnar looks interesting. Paul sounds interesting. John Cena's just a guy with decent hair. Jericho's rip on him was right off. What does a pretty boy like him know about "ruthless agression"?
Lesnar scares me. Batista scares me. Cena and Orton are so generic I wonder why they brought them up in the first place. Yet everyone licks their asses and bithes about Lesnar. In the immortal words of the Hurricane "Whatsupwitdat?"
I don't really understand what Debaser said but I agree with him.
The jury is still out on Cena. I really honestly wanna' like this guy. Now, wanting to like a guy doesn't constitute him getting a main event an a pay per view match his first month. Nut, I'm willing to give him a chance. Plus, he can't help it if he looks like Matt Damon.
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Watching RAW and Smackdown doesn't cost anymore than your posts do. And so, like a good consumer, I'm tuning you out.
Is it just me, or has the look of the WWE roster shifted significantly? In the past there were a lot of different body styles and sizes of wrestlers. Vince was always accused of liking to the big men, and there always had to be some decent smaller athletes around to carry them. This led to some decent variety. With the recent influx of tough enough guys and minor leaguers, the roster has become more homogenized. Orton, Cena, Maven, Nowitzki, and Stamboli all have an odd similarity. I think its that they are boring. They are in good shape, but not big enough to be big men, or small enough to be plucky underdogs. They look like softcore porn actors. TNBTBLesnar and Deacon are exceptions. A lot of the fat guys have been depushed, and the little guys have been juiced up to look more like this new ideal. Both Eddie and Kidman have gotten big enough now that their physiques no longer stand out. Kidman's even wearing trunks! Maybe this is part of JR's program, because the roster is looking more and more like a college football team. I'm not buying. The concept of an entire federation of Billy Gunns is not appealing.
I think we should care about Cena because he's not being forced down our throats like Brock is/was. Now I'm sure some of you are saying "Well, he's been in a main event match already, and wrestled the top guys", what does that say?
What that says to me is that he's able to keep up his own with them, and is entertaining, and can actually talk. The big problem I have with Lesnar is that he was pushed down my throat, they want so far as to give him the nickname "The Next Big Thing", meaning he's going to be the next superstar, whether or not I want him to be.
Something about Brock just bugs me, I can't figure it out though, but I'm pretty sure it relates to the whole "The Next Big Thing" nickname.
John Cena isn't about to wrestle a match for the Undisputed World Heavyweight Title at SummerSlam.
Brock scares the hell out of me physically, but he doesn't impress me in the ring right now. And I can just imagine how horrible an Undertaker-Lesnar match would be at SummerSlam.
Fans, hope and pray that Kurt Angle is the man, come Vengeance, to take that title for the third time.
It's true... it's true.
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If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Brock Lesnar is not drawing heel heat, because he hasn't given ANYBODY a reason to boo him! I cannot boo him just because WWE puts him against RVD and tells me to boo. Brock needs to do something particularly heelish to draw heel heat. What that is, is up to the writers.
As for John Cena, can anybody tell me what's wrong with the Prototype gimmick/character he used in OVW? Is there something inherently wrong with calling him "Prototype" John Cena? Just calling him John Cena and sticking him in tights is...well...boring. Same goes with Randy Orton. They're both reminding me of bouncing babyface Rocky Maivia...and NOBODY wants THAT!!
And that's the bottom line, because it's false! It's DAMN false!
I'd be more interested in either Cena or Orton if the other one wasn't around. Having both of them there dilutes the presence of both. They're pretty interchangeable so far.
The current crop of WWE wrestlers are too good not to be selling their moves. Get caught doing that and they'll stiff you, making "everybody clap to this".
It jsut dawned on me why Goldberg is not there. He would just not be credible with his no-selling style.
Molly practices pureresu, which means "Pure Wholesome Goodness" in Japanese.
Yep, I agree Deadbeater, no-selling sucks. If Lesnar didn't sell people would be bitching about him not selling enough. There's no reason to pretend he's a robot. You can sell and still be a monster, he's proving it.
My problem with Cena is that he hasn't shown a lot of personality in the ring so far. He only seems to have one move that stands out -- the Stinger splash -- and other than that it's just the usual assortment of punches, kicks, clotheslines, and DDTs. At least Orton occasionally pulls out something more colorful, like that over-the-ringpost bump he took last Thursday.
And of course, as noted, they both have the same gimmick, which makes them look even less interesting.
The "Lesnar sells too much" broken record is beginning to grate on me. Why is it a crime against nature when the Undertaker no-sells, but Lesnar MUST be allowed to no-sell? Yeah, he does need more heel heat, but no-selling won't help with that.
Originally posted by It's FalseIf I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Brock Lesnar is not drawing heel heat, because he hasn't given ANYBODY a reason to boo him! I cannot boo him just because WWE puts him against RVD and tells me to boo. Brock needs to do something particularly heelish to draw heel heat. What that is, is up to the writers.
As for John Cena, can anybody tell me what's wrong with the Prototype gimmick/character he used in OVW? Is there something inherently wrong with calling him "Prototype" John Cena? Just calling him John Cena and sticking him in tights is...well...boring. Same goes with Randy Orton. They're both reminding me of bouncing babyface Rocky Maivia...and NOBODY wants THAT!!
I think Lesnar has been doing plenty of things to draw heel heat, but the problem is, until he F5'ed RVD on the entrance platform, he hasn't been doing them to anyone that the majority of people watching care about. I know that the Hardys definitely have their fans, but they appeal mostly to a "niche" market; most casual fans (I'm avoiding terms like "marks", because we're all marks) like them, but only a small segment LOVES them. Hence, nobody was too broken up when he destroyed them shortly after his debut. The same can be said for his destruction of Tommy Dreamer, another niche performer. I think that if the attacks on RVD keep up, and their feud lasts up to and beyond SummerSlam, there will be more reason for everyone to boo him.
As for Cena and Orton, I agree. One of them can keep the plucky rookie gimmick, so long as he's allowed a reasonable amount of offense in every match and the occaisional surprise win, but both of them with it makes both forgettable. Since most of us haven't seen OVW, I guess letting Cena return to the Prototype gimmick would work, providing that said gimmick isn't too similar to anyone else's in the big leagues right now.
Wouldn't it be funny if they ran an angle where no one could tell the diffirence between Orton and Cena? That they really were interchangeable? "Hey, is that Cena?" "Naw, it's Randy Orton." "Are you sure?"
And I also see big things for Bautista. He ought to wear pants though. Blackman-style pants, it would fit in with D-Von's look and make Bautista stand out. Also, has a "big" guy ever had a non-slam finisher? I think Bautista could have a submission-style finisher, that would make him seem much more dangerous.
"To live like hu-man, to be like hu-man…Why is this not in the Plan?"
Actually, I think Bautista should just lift up entire tables and blast people with them like chairshots; he could probably pull it off. He should just leave people lying right and left. I read in another thread that Stasiak and others are worthless.... Feed them to this guy. Guys with his look can be great heels when their whole approach to fighting is like Drago in Rocky IV: "I must break you."
WyldeWolf1 The Man of 1,007 holds, making him 3 holds better than Chris Jericho!
Originally posted by ekedolphinJohn Cena isn't about to wrestle a match for the Undisputed World Heavyweight Title at SummerSlam.
Brock Lesnar debuted on national TV on March 18th, roughly four months ago. In Lesnar's first three weeks, he interrupted an Al Snow/Maven match, interrupted a Hurricane/Mighty Molly match, interrupted a Rikishi/Regal Euro title match, interrupted a Booker/DDP match, got drafted by Flair, and pounded on the Hardyz a bit. Sum total: a fair amount of "Lookit him he's HUGE, and he has a big spinning move that'll get a stupid name" hype, no matches. When he did start wrestling actual matches, he was using the Hardyz as chew toys for a few weeks.
John Cena debuted on national TV on June 27th, roughly two and a half weeks ago. In that time, he had plenty of offense in his debut match against an Olympic/two-time-WWF champion, slapped a former undisputed WWE champion silly and had some offense before being pinned, and tag-teamed with the CURRENT champion against the two aforementioned former champs, pinning one of them with a rollup.
And Lesnar's the one with the fast push?
Now, am I going to complain about Cena being handed matches against the likes of Angle and Jericho right away? Nope. Both scenarios above are perfectly fine ways of getting newcomers noticed. But I'm not going to scream about Lesnar's push until I see what they have Cena doing in HIS fourth month.
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Originally posted by thetrendsetterBrock needs not to sell so much...
Sounds stupid, but he shouldn't be bumping all over the place for guys smaller than him...
Not selling? This is the kind of idealism that kept Hogan and Goldberg in the spotlight in WCW.
Squashes get real boring, real quick. He no-sold for a while, now he plays by the same rules everyone else does.
The match should seem like the other guy just may have a chance. Then Brock does some power moves to remind everyone, "Oh yeah, the guy is stronger than an elephant, I almost forgot." And ther in lies the beauty of a well done match.
In case you need a simple formula...
Start: Heel vs. Face
Face gets in some early offense
Heel turns things around (mostly by cheating, sometimes by sheer size/strength)
Face makes periodic come-backs to rally the crowd (must be convincing)
Go to end sequence
1.2.3. (or in WCW...Run in)
See, isn't that easy?
I would like to congatulate Al Snow on his contact with La-Z-Boy. Because we all know Al doesn't sell chairs. - Mick Foley
Originally posted by WyldeWolf1Actually, I think Bautista should just lift up entire tables and blast people with them like chairshots; he could probably pull it off.
I've wanted to see somebody doing that for a long time. Has it been done before? I have a friend who says he saw it in ECW, but he tends to be full of crap.
Bautista and Brock could go a long way as monsters. Cena's looked good, but who wouldn't working exclusively with Angle and Jericho? Orton's booking confuses me. He started out with a moderate rookie push, but now he just gets his ass kicked by Bautista with little offense. How are we supposed to respect him if he's constantly getting flattened? There's a lot of potential in that group, but to me the breakout rookie so far is...."Jaime Knoble, boy, Jaime Knoble!"
"Bautista and Brock could go a long way as monsters. Cena's looked good, but who wouldn't working exclusively with Angle and Jericho?"
Angle maybe, but Jericho is nothing special in the ring at all, especially with the excess weight he's carrying around. Couple that with some of the stellar ringwork Cena did as Prototype and you've reason to be excited, baby. Although his pants are a little too "Misawa in shorts" for my liking.
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