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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
    Originally posted by Snookum
    I was going to say this a little while ago, but stopped myself because it didn't quite relate to the subject until now.

    I think we as internet fans really get stuck into this mode of "he's green" whenever a new guy comes along. That has something to do with what line we're fed by the websites really. "Oh, this new guy, he's so green, everyone hates him." The worst part is that it's done to nearly eveyone who comes in nowadays.

    I half-tempted to believe that WWE itself leaks this type of story on all their new wrestlers. That way, if the guy does suck, everyone can fall back on the "hey, we told you he was green" line. If he turns out to be great, then everyone can say, "wow, he's so improved now! Someone must have kicked his butt and got him in gear."

    So when I hear the line "he's green" I tend to be a bit cynical about it. It's too easy to fall into saying it when it isn't necessarily so.

    As to Mordecai, I have to go with some others here who feel that we just haven't seen anything from him yet to prove him either to be great or a dud when wrestling. Saying that, they really do need to get on the stick and give me a direction beyond "white-haired, quasi-religious squasher." I'm starting to get the feeling that the writers came up with the look, and then forgot what the motivations were in order to make him interesting to viewers.


I recall seeing Mordecai back in Memphis when it was still a WWF territory. He was a third rate Bryan Clark there. If anything now, he's gotten worse.

Personally, I develop my own opinion rather than rely on sites and sheetwriters. The few years I spent working in the business introduced me to some, and watching tape introduced me to others.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    Somehow I don't find the prospect of the happy, sneaky Mexican guy against a rogue angel of redemption sent by a force from the heavens to be quite as appealing.


Its not gonna be against the sneaky Mexican; it will be against the happy-go-lucky sinner (I will feel stupid for saying "happy-go-lucky" later)- Eddie Guerrero. That will be the whole angle. For more explanation, read the rest of this post.

    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    Anyway, back to Mordecai. How's the fundamentalist Christian going to explain going after Eddy Guerrero (who lies, cheats, and steals) rather than going after that damn murderer The Undertaker?


Im sure the WWE is saving the Mordecai-Undertaker feud (a conflict that would naturally start right away) for later on, maybe a rainy day (like two PPV's from now). It could just be however, (and I would not be surprised) that they havent thought of it!


(edited by ScottChrist on 28.6.04 1802)




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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
I don't hate or like this guy. I thought his vignettes were decent enough... The oddest thing about Mordecai, the actual man doesn't really fit the character. For me he looks like a chubby kid in a Halloween costume. As horrible as Nathon Jones and now it seems Tyson Tomko they kinda look the part they were playing. Mordecai just doesn't really have that presence when I see him, which "image" isn't that big of a deal but for a character that so much of it has to do with image he really doesn't fit the part



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.94
    Originally posted by KaneRobot
    Mordecai really shouldn't be talking as much as he does since he's not very convincing in his role - if he had a mouthpiece like Bearer it would both go along with the comic-bookish gimmick he has, and let him keep quiet so he seems more dangerous (although after tonight's events with PB that's not going to happen).
I disagree, I think Mordecai is pretty good on the stick and doesn't need anyone to talk for him. The vignettes were killer and his in-ring promos have been pretty good as well. The one thing I don't really understand here is the fact that no matter who they stuck him in a feud with, the IWC still wouldn't be content. Case in point, they stick him in a program with Bob Holly and everyone is like "He's never going to get over by squashing jobbers and beating JTTS guys like Holly" If they stick him in there with Eddie or Taker its like "Why are they sticking him in there with those guys, he obviously hasn't paid his dues yet" Its like you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. My personal opinion is that the gimmick will eventually get over, just give it more time.

By the way, does anyone know Mordecai's real name?

(edited by thecubsfan on 28.6.04 2135)
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
My only real beef with Mordecai (and Kenzo, and Luther) is that they're just throwing him at guys at random. He has a character-based gimmick -- hell, give him a month-long feud with Bob Holly and I'd love it. It'd be great to see if he can have sustained heat with someone and see how he does in that situation. But his current "random fight of the week" thing is just dull from an entertainment aspect.

This is the kind of character who could get insanely over by having him run mind-games on his target for a couple of weeks before he actually faces them in the ring.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.02
I'm actually intrigued by Mordecai's character. However, I think that what hurts Mordecai, along with Batista, Show, Reigns, Morgan, and Tomko is that there all big guys and the IWC doesn't really care for big guys. I think that big guys are automatically guilty by association. It's like a damned if you do and a damned if you don't situation. Anytime a tall or big wrestler comes in, you automatically hear, "he's big and tall so he must suck."

One example I can think of involves Batista. I recall reading a couple of months ago that people were complaining that Batista was selling to much for a big man and then it was he wasn't selling enough. Which do you want? Do you want guys like Batista flying around like Rey Mysterio and Paul London or do you want guys like Batista to be destructive monsters?
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.67
I will agree he doesn't "look" the part the best.
But rather than random squashes in the ring he should start some "free range avengings" just destroy people out of the ring. If the character was more a frothing at the mouth zealot seeing sin in EVERYONE else then it could drive his character home. And, for that matter, attacking them out of and in the ring. The only sign prior to the holy beatdown would be that cross he lugs around (which in itself would be a decent weapon).

He has a lot of room for improvement. It's really a matter of whether he'll sink or swim. Though if they are going to have him fued with Guerrero then now would be the time for it. And it might give him an air of legitimacy amongst the casual fans that this guy is good. But if Eddie has to carry him, and these things show up to casual fans, then he's gonna drift towards faceless mid or low card.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.57
    Originally posted by AlboDude
    By the way, does anyone know Mordecai's real name?



I believe it's Kevin Fertig? I could be wrong though.

My only problem with Fat Jeff Jarrett is that the character is sort of one-dimensional. He's not exactly awful in the ring or anything, it's just sort of a corny gimmick. Even that they could work on if, as someone pointed out previously, they actually put him in a FEUD with someone. Thus far it's just been squash Funaki, beat Bob Holly...and I can't think of what else they've done with him. They had him allude to a future feud with Guerrero, but that doesn't look likely to happen. Same with the Undertaker feud. So now they're in a position where the character is just going to linger around for another month plus with no program to work...and when you do that, the fans can lose interest pretty quickly.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.94
I agree that they haven't done a whole lot with him to capture fans interest. But I think the main reason for that is that they don't want to shove him down the fans throats (see: Orton, Randy JBL) I think they'd rather gradually bring him into the program rather than thrusting him into ME status right away, and in hindsight (especially as we've seen in the past) this is a good move. And he's not awful in the ring either. He's certainly better than Suzuki, and has the most upside out of the 3 new guys recently brought in.

Yes, the execution could be a little better. I liked the idea of him playing mind gimes possibly with a series of vignettes (remember the DDP vignettes from a few years ago?) in which he picks a target and proceeds to instill fear as if he's coming after that said target. That would have been better, but despite all that, I still think they've done a fairly good job as I said before, working him into the system and not overexposing him
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    I think that what hurts Mordecai, along with Batista, Show, Reigns, Morgan, and Tomko is that there all big guys and the IWC doesn't really care for big guys. I think that big guys are automatically guilty by association. It's like a damned if you do and a damned if you don't situation. Anytime a tall or big wrestler comes in, you automatically hear, "he's big and tall so he must suck."

Not true. If a big guy is good, he'll be liked.

Batista - people have been praising him lately. He's been busting his ass, and has been holding his own in matches.

Show - after beating treated as nothing more than a jobber, and pretty much getting extremely lazy, Show got sent to SD, got built up, busted his ass, had damn good matches w/ Brock, and became one of the guys that carried the show. Fans, accordingly, praised him.

More often than not, when they bring in a big guy, he turns out to be bad, so we're conditioned to expect them to be poor. You can say "well, I'll give 'New Big Guy X' a chance" only so often before picking up on the less-than-stellar success rate.

Don't blame "The IWC" for the WWE bringing in bad wrestlers.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.94
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      I think that what hurts Mordecai, along with Batista, Show, Reigns, Morgan, and Tomko is that there all big guys and the IWC doesn't really care for big guys. I think that big guys are automatically guilty by association. It's like a damned if you do and a damned if you don't situation. Anytime a tall or big wrestler comes in, you automatically hear, "he's big and tall so he must suck."

    Not true. If a big guy is good, he'll be liked.

    Batista - people have been praising him lately. He's been busting his ass, and has been holding his own in matches.

    Show - after beating treated as nothing more than a jobber, and pretty much getting extremely lazy, Show got sent to SD, got built up, busted his ass, had damn good matches w/ Brock, and became one of the guys that carried the show. Fans, accordingly, praised him.

    More often than not, when they bring in a big guy, he turns out to be bad, so we're conditioned to expect them to be poor. You can say "well, I'll give 'New Big Guy X' a chance" only so often before picking up on the less-than-stellar success rate.

    Don't blame "The IWC" for the WWE bringing in bad wrestlers.


yeah but Mordecai has been in the federation for like what? a month? and people are already shitting all over him. At least in the case of Suzuki, people had already seen him over in Japan and knew he was pretty bad. Mordecai on the other hand is a relative unknown so he doesn't have that albatross around his neck. I'm going to make a prediction, and that is, that mordecai within 6 months will be one of the most over guys on Smackdown, and remember, you read it here first
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.24
I like what Dave can do...he brings intensity, and he's already over as a destructive monster. Plus, using him almost exclusively in tag matches can only help. He sells enough and can dish out his own. His spinebuster and Demon Bomb look good, and really, that's all you can ask for. Plus, the whole TKO on Jericho with the killer lariat was a great touch for the character.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.64
First of all, I don't hate Mordecai. I don't watch Smackdown, mainly because I don't have UPN. I don't really have any feelings for him one way or the other and I won't bash him here.

But...

I did go to a Smackdown! taping on a Tuesday night about two weeks before Mordy debuted at the PPV. I was very excited because he had a dark match and I was pumped about seeing a new wrestler and getting into his character. I liked the vignettes and I was very "ready" to really like this guy.

But when he came out...his look, his style, his workrate,etc....he just didn't have any presence to him and I found myself not caring at all about him.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
Aye, if Mordecai lacks something that we can at least judge at this point is the presence. He just doesnt have the look that settles his character as some guys like
The Undertaker do- maybe all Mordecai needs to do is hit the gym a lot and by all means, be creepier. Creepy in an overly zealous-religious kind of way of course.

In the end though, the gimmick just needs more time- the wrestler himself could become better as he develops within his role; nobody liked or at least cared about:

-The Ring Master (Stone Cold Steve Austin)

-Rocky Maivia (Dont make me go there...)

-Triple H (His original "high-class" gimmick, from whence the finisher "Pedigree" gets its name)

-Golden Sterling (Hulk Hogan, like him or not- his success is pretty evident...) Some people that didnt like squeaky-clean Hogan, loved NWO Hollywood Hogan.

-Brock Lesnar (Who just as Mordecai, came in to squash a random variety of people)

All these wrestlers developed though, and they changed to a point where they either had a strong fanbase, could contribute to a good show or both. They were sometimes radical continuations but nonetheless continuations of their first character, even The Rock was initially just pissed Rocky Maivia with an attitude... give Mordecai more time and he could turn into something impressive.






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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by AlboDude
    I don't understand all the hate for this guy.


I can't speak for anyone else,but I like the gimmick. I'll give him a chance as far as the wrestling goes. It's not like he's any worse then most of the smackdown roster.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.67
I don't think it's that we don't like the guy, it's just that we don't understand him. He's too one-dimensional. We don't know why he's here, his background, or anything like that. He's just a generic religious guy.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.61
    Originally posted by geemoney
    We don't know why he's here, his background, or anything like that. He's just a generic religious guy.


That may as well be his epitaph, since he's going back to the drawing board in OVW.

Torch says Mysterio beating him was "killing off the character," and although I'm not sure if I believe that, he's probably going to be away for quite a while. I still think it could have worked over time once he got used to being that character, but I guess WWE wasn't willing to stick with it.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.27
So he's done? I suspect it's one of those pretend-like-that-guy-was-never-here-to-start-with type of "charcter kill" where they never mention the name again...Sad to see, really, I really thought that some work could've gotten that gimmick over.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.53
    Originally posted by El Nino
    So he's done? I suspect it's one of those pretend-like-that-guy-was-never-here-to-start-with type of "charcter kill" where they never mention the name again...Sad to see, really, I really thought that some work could've gotten that gimmick over.


He just didn't make the gimmick believable; he looked as comfortable as Shaniqua at times. I admit he seemed to get a little better, but still no where near ready to perform on the big stage. He does have potential, and hopefully he will get another try someday. I guess since Undertaker is turning full heel supposedly, the fued with Mordecai wouldnt work unless Mordi turned face. But that would be nearly impossible to condition the fans to cheer him and boo the Undertaker.A program with Guerrero would only bring Eddie down; I think they need Eddie to stay as close the title as possible.

(edited by Screeching Weasel on 5.7.04 0312)
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.61
They guy didn't even get a profile on the Smackdown webpage...if you mouse over his name there's no link.



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