I don't understand all the hate for this guy. I mean granted he may be a little green (arent most rookies that way?) but he seems to be pretty good at cutting a promo, not to mention pretty damn cool looking and a kickass gimmick to boot. In fact, he's become my new favorite wrestler. I agree its not a good idea to have him fued with Eddie over the title right away, but why not build him up against jobbers like Bob Holly, (which seems to be what they're doing) and slowly but surely push him into the uppercard. I think the WWE has done a fine job of handling him as a worker and as a character. any thoughts?
So far I think it’s too much “Methodical” offense (which is usually just another name for “slow”) and not enough righteous fury.
There’s also the problem of now having too many new heels who do nothing but squash matches. When there's just one... okay, we get that this guy's something special. But between Mordecai, Kenzo Suzuki, and now Luther Reigns... it's overkill, and it just makes it look like most of the Smackdown roster is nothing but chumps.
I'll agree with Phantom on that. It's just too much for them to be establishing three new heels, two with gimmicks, at the moment. The whole situation just drags down everyone associated with it.
As to Mordecai, while I don't hate him, I can't say for sure, but the whole "he's devout in his religion so he's evil" thing is just too oversimplified for my taste. Perhaps they'll flesh-out his character sometime, but for now I just can't find any reason to become interrested.
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I'm with AlboDude...the guy has had what, two matches on TV and a run-in beatdown? That's hardly enough to see if a guy is good or not. I'll agree with Phantom that a little more 'righteous fury' might cement the character a bit better, but I think it's ridiculous for the people who are doing so to write the guy off before he's even been given a five minute match on television.
Originally posted by AlboDudeI don't understand all the hate for this guy. I mean granted he may be a little green (arent most rookies that way?)
It's at least 4-5 years after his rookie year. One would think he'd be less green by now.
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I was going to say this a little while ago, but stopped myself because it didn't quite relate to the subject until now.
I think we as internet fans really get stuck into this mode of "he's green" whenever a new guy comes along. That has something to do with what line we're fed by the websites really. "Oh, this new guy, he's so green, everyone hates him." The worst part is that it's done to nearly eveyone who comes in nowadays.
I half-tempted to believe that WWE itself leaks this type of story on all their new wrestlers. That way, if the guy does suck, everyone can fall back on the "hey, we told you he was green" line. If he turns out to be great, then everyone can say, "wow, he's so improved now! Someone must have kicked his butt and got him in gear."
So when I hear the line "he's green" I tend to be a bit cynical about it. It's too easy to fall into saying it when it isn't necessarily so.
As to Mordecai, I have to go with some others here who feel that we just haven't seen anything from him yet to prove him either to be great or a dud when wrestling. Saying that, they really do need to get on the stick and give me a direction beyond "white-haired, quasi-religious squasher." I'm starting to get the feeling that the writers came up with the look, and then forgot what the motivations were in order to make him interesting to viewers.
I like his promos and the ones I've seen have yet to have glaring errors. But I agree that to make his gimmick really stick he needs to just be crazy in the ring, absolutely vicious. He might not be mobile enough to really accomplish that, so it might hinder him overall.
Though I am filled with the Mordecai love, simply cause he makes me giggle. It's the outfit, while it does all fit the gimmick... that all white costume would have gone better on the Godfather.
Giving him a real standout oneliner would be another thing thing to boost him image.
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I think he just needs to really believe his character, and try tp put some of his own personality into it. The best characters really just play an extention of their real selves. Mordecai needs to look within himself and find that dark side, and amplify it. If he isn't confident in the character, then he'll just turn out like Linda Miles or The Red Roster. But so far, he seems to be improving. It looks like they're going the distance with him, already planning to have him fued with Eddie.
His in ring skills haven't bedazzled me yet. Just to generic. But that's something he can work on easily.
His promos (sin, fury, blah) aren't convincing yet. Thus far the gimmick has been too one-dimensional.
He doesn't look that imposing in his white mesh shirt and his white pants holding a large staff. Oldschool Undertaker 14 years ago was one-dimensional as well but he looked disturbing.
I don't hate Mordecai, I have no reason to care either way about the poor guy..and hope they will tweak the char until it does strike a nerve, but for now..he is Boredecai.
What he needs is a target. Oddly enough mentioning Eddie was the first time something sounded interesting. The biggest sinner is a lying, cheating, thief. Makes sense. But what sins did all the cw's so far have?
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The reason why I'm digging Mordy so much is because the character has struck a chord with me. Even though I have yet to see him wrestle an actual match, he did look pretty impressive by squashing cruiserweights, and his finisher looked pretty sharp. I think its sort of unfair when people are constantly comparing a guy like Mordecai to someone like Kenzo Suzuki. First of all, Suzuki can't even speak English, let alone cut a promo. Mordecai already has about 4 or 5 really good promos under his belt and his mic work is pretty good, especially for someone who just entered the promotion. Suzuki doesn't give the viewing audience any reason to give a shit about him, all he is, is just another generic Japanese wrestler with no real gimmick or motivation. If I wanted to watch that stuff, I'd buy some New Japan or FMW tapes. And I don't think Mordecai has nessesarily a "methodical" moveset either. We havent really seen enough of him to make that judgment yet. Suzuki on the other hand is just plain BAD. His match with Scotty 2 Hotty was simply awful. Again, he gives the viewers no reason to care. In a way I think in ring skills are overrated, while promo skills are underrated. Don't get me wrong, they are both important, but if I had to weigh the two, it would swing towards promo skills. The ability to sell your character and get over with the fans will always be more important than what that person does in the ring. Mordecai seems to be doing this, and hopefully his character wont be lost on fans and will get over because out of all the new characters that have come along in the last year or so, the Mordecai character seems to be the one with the most versatility to it
Count me as also in on the "why bash Mordecai so soon?" bandwagon. I must have missed his actual matches because he honestly didn't look that bad in his SD debut (where he squashed Kidman and Akio, I think. That was my first viewing anyway.). And I must admit I'm a sucker for the dark, creepy like gimmicks...if my past love for Sean O'Haire is any indication. Maybe I'm seeing an opportunity for void filling? I don't know, but I find myself relatively positive about this guy. And everyone knows my history of ripping the green newbies(well, most of you should).
My major problem with Mordecai is actually just his size. With his character, it is natural for him to feud with the Undertaker. But he's not imposing enough to come across as a serious threat to the Deadman. Unless he grows 40 lbs of muscle and 3-4 inches, UT will not sell for him. Also, his character is rather bland - the idea is great, mind you, but the execution has not been up to par. To me, he comes off as just another religious zealot. Give him some edge, some insanity and that will make me care. It's like someone said, UT in 1990 was one-dimensional too, he was just freaking scary. I remember watching the tape for SS '90 and when UT comes out for the first time, the crowd is in one of those "Holy crap, what IS that guy?" silences. There is nothing in Mordecai to get that kind of response.
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Aye, I think anyone can tell as well as I that Mordecai is gonna end up feuding with Taker. Mordecai is some type of light heel and Taker is some type of dark face, its odd but it sounds like a perfect feud for me.
Personally, I dont think that his moveset is so "generic"- what he did in his squash debut did make him look pretty impressive (I know thats the purpose of cruiserweight squashes). That strange knee slam he did was pretty impressive- (*By knee slam I mean him picking up the guy and slamming him so the guy lands kneeling, not a flying knee blow.) and it was cool how he threw the two cw's off him and chose to do that clothesline instead of the usual "big boot"
People say that all three heels shouldnt be built up on Smackdown at once; but I say thats exactly what the show needs. The more big-hitters the better. As long as the WWE is gonna do absolutely nothing with the cruiserweight division (other than use them as a stepladder for debuting heels) they might as well work for the future of Smackdown; a place with a lot of battling heels in cool full-action feuds (because we know the reality of what the PRESENT is).
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Originally posted by WhoTookMyHonor?Personally, I dont think that his moveset is so "generic"- what he did in his squash debut did make him look pretty impressive (I know thats the purpose of cruiserweight squashes). That strange knee slam he did was pretty impressive- (*By knee slam I mean him picking up the guy and slamming him so the guy lands kneeling, not a flying knee blow.)
The lift thingie was impressive, and it looked like it ended with the opponent getting a shoulder jawbuster like thing. That and he used an Awesome Bomb (well crucifix powerbomb, which is damn close to the Razor's Edge). I would like to see him drop the powerbomb, and stick to the other, though it would be more effective with smaller people.
Originally posted by El NinoMy major problem with Mordecai is actually just his size. With his character, it is natural for him to feud with the Undertaker. But he's not imposing enough to come across as a serious threat to the Deadman. Unless he grows 40 lbs of muscle and 3-4 inches, UT will not sell for him.
He's sold for people smaller than Mordecai in the past. I don't think it's really going to be a factor. It's more whether UT likes you or not.
The problem I have with him right now is he has a big, fancy gimmick but he doesn't have a direction. If they're going to make Mordecai that much of a production (vignettes, fancy entrance, etc) they really should have thrown him into a feud with Undertaker right off the bat. Then if it flopped he could go back for repackaging. By having him feud with Bob Holly-level guys it pretty much kills any "whoa, who is this guy, he could be dangerous" momentum. Hinting at an Eddie feud is somewhat interesting, but come on, that feud is going to seem really stupid if they do it. As lame as Bradshaw is, at least he kind of meshes with Eddie ok since Bradshaw is the ultra-conservative guy who wants to shut the borders, and Eddie is the happy, sneaky Mexican guy.
Somehow I don't find the prospect of the happy, sneaky Mexican guy against a rogue angel of redemption sent by a force from the heavens to be quite as appealing.
I don't really have a solution here. I've thought for a while that they could stick him with Bearer to fight the face Undertaker. Heck, they could even TRY to make Mordecai the face against Paul Heyman's evil Undertaker, although I doubt that would work since Undertaker usually gets cheered no matter what.
Mordecai really shouldn't be talking as much as he does since he's not very convincing in his role - if he had a mouthpiece like Bearer it would both go along with the comic-bookish gimmick he has, and let him keep quiet so he seems more dangerous (although after tonight's events with PB that's not going to happen).
Is it me or does Mordecai look like a fat Jeff Jarett (pre-metrosexual)? I don't mean to completely disregard the man, but right now he looks like yet another clod from the OVW training factory. What the Hell are they doing with the workers there? We've had Nathan Jones, Luther Reigns, Mordecai, and a bunch of other clods crawl out of there. What gives?
Originally posted by Deputy MarshallIs it me or does Mordecai look like a fat Jeff Jarett (pre-metrosexual)? I don't mean to completely disregard the man, but right now he looks like yet another clod from the OVW training factory. What the Hell are they doing with the workers there? We've had Nathan Jones, Luther Reigns, Mordecai, and a bunch of other clods crawl out of there. What gives?
I had to laugh at that Double J comparison. And you forgot to mention Matt Morgan in your post (and isn't it "claude", instead of "clod"?). Well, Vince has a thing for the big bastards, no matter how uninspired they all seem. I guess we just better start getting use to the bastard, it doesn't look like he's going away. He might even be a face by the time he fueds with Taker. *shiver*
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I completely forgot about Matt Morgan. I wondered how that happened...oh yeah, because's he's god-awful. "Claude?" He's not French...that's Renee Dupree! Forget that they've now acknowledged that La Resistance is from Quebec rather than France, yet Dupree remains inexplicably French.
Anyway, back to Mordecai. How's the fundamentalist Christian going to explain going after Eddy Guerrero (who lies, cheats, and steals) rather than going after that damn murderer The Undertaker?
*I'll warn you all in advance that this is a bit long-winded, but please allow me to take some of your time, cuz after all, is this NOT a forum for us wrestling fans to discuss our ideas, smark- or kayfabe-wise?