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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Bob Backlund isn't in there?



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
"Fuji Vice" was the most famous, but they did a whole series of Moracco/Fuji vignettes that were all hilarious (the one that stands out in my mind was them in Abbott and Costello roles ending with the "hook" pulling them offstage).

These came on right as I was getting into wrestling and were instrumental in convincing me there was more to it than guys pretending to fight.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Stilton
      Originally posted by JMShapiro
      "Still, where the hell is Bruno Sammartino?"

      He declined the invitation.


    The hell? You know the back story there?

The gist of it is, Bruno is *OLD* school, and can't stand the current product, and thus doesn't want to be associated with it.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 5.3.04 1055)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
Muraco was gold on the mic - I loved hating seeing him stuff his mouth full of donuts during a promo. He was a terrific IC champ who understood that rest holds = concession sales.

Also, how about putting Bob Backlund in the Hall of Fame - he had a hell of a run as champ and packed the crowds in - a smaller guy with a great amateur background who the crowds loved.

I was always fond of Tony Garea - he was a multiple tag champ (7 or 8 times I think) with many different partners and knew how to work a crowd by taking a huge punishment to create the right atmosphere for the hot tag...Always a lot of fun.

More importantly, why isn't Hulk Hogan on the list? He belongs there more than anyone. Is there a rule on how long performers have to be retired...


There should be a separate wing in the hall for the best gimmicks - Iron Mike's forearm protector, the Moondog's bone, Iran Sheik's loaded boots, Mr. Fuji's salt, and a torn turnbuckle of George the Animal Steele, and maybe Regal's brass knucks or Mae's fake hand.. I'm sure I am missing a lot.
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#25 Posted on
Silly question, but why is Ricky Steamboat not in there? His matches are what got me interested in wrestling.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by FordPre
    Silly question, but why is Ricky Steamboat not in there? His matches are what got me interested in wrestling.

One of the books I read recently (either Heenan's, RD's, or Mooneyham's) detailed the heat between Vince and Steamboat, saying the whole breathing fire thing and dragon outfit was to humiliate him after coming back from NWA/WCW.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
All this "Why isn't (filli in the blank) in there"....you know they probably will eventually induct more wrestlers at a later date, right?

(edited by geemoney on 5.3.04 1338)


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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
I believe there is a "10 years in retirement" rule for the Hall of Fame. Could be wrong on this. Probably am too.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.07
I'd love to see Bret Hart in there some day, but I think putting Owen into the WWE Hall of Fame would be in bad taste. If it were a generic hall of fame, then I'd like it more.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    I'd love to see Bret Hart in there some day, but I think putting Owen into the WWE Hall of Fame would be in bad taste. If it were a generic hall of fame, then I'd like it more.

Agreed. It's a real catch-22 for the WWE HoF, since if he's not in there it looks disrespectful and if he is it looks like exploitation. I figure they'll leave him out. If they didn't mention the Owen Raw in the Monday Night Wars DVD I'd be betting they don't plan to mention him in any commercial ventures ever again.

I'd say Vince is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but I recall a promo from a few months back where he said he's been damned for a long time now.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by Barbwire Mike
      Originally posted by StampedeFan23
      I'd love to see Bret Hart in there some day, but I think putting Owen into the WWE Hall of Fame would be in bad taste. If it were a generic hall of fame, then I'd like it more.

    Agreed. It's a real catch-22 for the WWE HoF, since if he's not in there it looks disrespectful and if he is it looks like exploitation. I figure they'll leave him out. If they didn't mention the Owen Raw in the Monday Night Wars DVD I'd be betting they don't plan to mention him in any commercial ventures ever again.

    I'd say Vince is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but I recall a promo from a few months back where he said he's been damned for a long time now.


Couldn't Vince just talk to the Hart family and ask them what they would like him to do in this situation. He is certainly deserving of a Hall of Fame spot, whether he died the way he did or not. If the Harts are against it, don't do it. If they think it would be a nice way to commemorate Owen's life and career, then do it. He's not "damned if ya do, damned if ya don't" if he does what the people who would be damning him want him to do.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.02
Regarding the Harts and the Hof. I don't think there's any doubt that the Hart dynasty couldn't take up a huge chunck of the Hall of Fame. Stu's influence alone deserves a mention. Bret was, in his day, one of the most visable champions of all time. He did his part in making professional wrestling what it is today. He was instrumental in creating the mainstream popularity that the WWE now enjoys. Without Bret, and Stu, and the rest of the Harts, pro wrestling might not be where it is today. Though many other factors have also contributed to the development of pro wrestling, the Harts have certainly been at the forefront of much of that development.

That said, it might be premarure to enter any of them in the HoF. Owen's unfortunate death is still fresh in the minds of many fans. One only needs to read Linda Hart's book to appreciate the full scale of the impact his accident had on the business. All this is further exacerbated by the personal difficulties that arose from Bret's unfortunate treatment in Montreal that we all remember.

I think only when things are made good between Bret and Vince, in a public way, will we be able to see the Harts (and the Smiths, for that matter) represented fairly in official WWE lore, such as in the Hall of Fame.

Perhaps Chris Benoit represents the best chance to make reparations, being the quintessential student of the dungeon on the active WWE roster. Then again, Chris Jericho might also be the gateway to restoring the place of the Harts into the WWE's legacy. Either way, I have a strong feeling the next several months will determine how this real-life plot plays out.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Stilton
    Regarding the Harts and the Hof. I don't think there's any doubt that the Hart dynasty couldn't take up a huge chunck of the Hall of Fame. Stu's influence alone deserves a mention. Bret was, in his day, one of the most visable champions of all time. He did his part in making professional wrestling what it is today. He was instrumental in creating the mainstream popularity that the WWE now enjoys. Without Bret, and Stu, and the rest of the Harts, pro wrestling might not be where it is today. Though many other factors have also contributed to the development of pro wrestling, the Harts have certainly been at the forefront of much of that development.

    That said, it might be premarure to enter any of them in the HoF. Owen's unfortunate death is still fresh in the minds of many fans. One only needs to read Linda Hart's book to appreciate the full scale of the impact his accident had on the business. All this is further exacerbated by the personal difficulties that arose from Bret's unfortunate treatment in Montreal that we all remember.

    I think only when things are made good between Bret and Vince, in a public way, will we be able to see the Harts (and the Smiths, for that matter) represented fairly in official WWE lore, such as in the Hall of Fame.

    Perhaps Chris Benoit represents the best chance to make reparations, being the quintessential student of the dungeon on the active WWE roster. Then again, Chris Jericho might also be the gateway to restoring the place of the Harts into the WWE's legacy. Either way, I have a strong feeling the next several months will determine how this real-life plot plays out.


That's overstating the situation.

Bret was invited. Bret turned down the invitation because he doesn't feel prepared to be seen worldwide in his state.

When Bret feels comfortable with himself, he has an open invitation to appear.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    I know that old-timers can and maybe should give me crap for this, but does Don Muraco REALLY deserve to be in there?


Not particularly, but neither do a lot of people they're going to put in. For instance, while you can make cases for Muraco and Valentine given that they had some real strong years before the original boom, what the F is Tito Santana doing there?

They've gotta take who they can get to come in for it, I guess. Maybe the reasoning is that Santana + Valentine + Muraco = Sammartino. But that would be wrong anyway.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
If jobbers go in, the Duke of Dorchester Pete Doherty should lead the parade.
"The Magnificent Rock" Don Muraco definately deserves to go in. Him and Snuka kept the company running prior to Hogan. And he is far more deserving than the guy who stole his name, just on acting skills alone.
And Fuji deserves a spot as well.
Backlund not being in is surprising. Maybe they are just afraid of the long words he'd use in his acceptance speech.
Harley Race should go in as Harley Race 7-Time NWA World Champion when being a World Champion meant something, not as the King Harley Race.




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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
i'd like to see some of these wrestlers in the next few years:

1) Rick Rude
2) Ricky Steamboat
3) Demolition
4) Jake Roberts
5) Curt Hennig
6) Ted Dibiase
7) Roddy Piper

On the Bubble
1) LOD
2) Rougeaus
3) Bad News Brown
4) Earthquake
5) Rick Martel

Maybe these guys are little too recent but Santana was wrestling a lot of these guys
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.91
Is your list in order of importance? Would you really put Rick Rude at the top? Demolition before LOD? I know LOD didn't have their best run in WWE, but then neither did Harley Race, but they seem to be taking his contributions to the business overall into consideration for his induction. Under those circumstances, LOD would appear on my list before Demolition. Besides, putting Demolition in the HoF as a unit might mean putting [...gag...] Crush in there, too, and that's just profane. Perhaps as individuals maybe.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.59
    Originally posted by samoflange
    Couldn't Vince just talk to the Hart family and ask them what they would like him to do in this situation. He is certainly deserving of a Hall of Fame spot, whether he died the way he did or not. If the Harts are against it, don't do it. If they think it would be a nice way to commemorate Owen's life and career, then do it. He's not "damned if ya do, damned if ya don't" if he does what the people who would be damning him want him to do.

The problem is which family members do you ask. If you ask Owen's wife, last I heard she hates everything about the WWE and Vince and doesn't want them using Owen's name for anything... If you talk to most of Owen's brothers and sister, I think they would actually like something like this for Owen.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
I saw Bret Hart not two days ago at my local multiplex. He looks in good health and good spirits. He was smiling. I considered approaching him and asking about Mania, but decided that if the man wants to be involved, he will be whether or not fans bug him.

That being said, the Hart Family deserves a spot.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by Stilton
    Is your list in order of importance? Would you really put Rick Rude at the top? Demolition before LOD? I know LOD didn't have their best run in WWE, but then neither did Harley Race, but they seem to be taking his contributions to the business overall into consideration for his induction. Under those circumstances, LOD would appear on my list before Demolition. Besides, putting Demolition in the HoF as a unit might mean putting [...gag...] Crush in there, too, and that's just profane. Perhaps as individuals maybe.


I'd put Rick Rude on top. He was one of the top heels in the business once he left the WWF. Maybe not above LOD, but he's definitely a HOF performer in my eyes.



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