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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
If people don't think Goldberg's going to win, who would he agree to lay down for?

Putting the belt on Orton would be a disaster. He barely gets much of a reaction on TV yet. There's no way people would pay to see him in a PPV Main Event. Maybe in a year or two or three.

It's gotta be Goldberg because you know Triple H needs to hit that Pedigree on him before Goldberg leaves.
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#22 Posted on
Was Survivor Series 2002 really that successful? We're subjected to weekly Show-Lesnar matches and now we get another Elimination Chamber.

HHH should win this match. I don't like the idea of HHH losing the title in an Elimination Chamber again, because we've seen it before and it was only less than a year go.

An Elimination Chamber is just a clusterfuck that's advertised ahead of time. It's no way to put someone over. It was a cool match, don't get me wrong, but HBK came out with the fluke win and lost the title a month later. Which match did more for HBK? His match at SummerSlam last year or the Elimination Chamber?

I don't think that the person who wins the match will come out looking any better than they would if they beat the champ head-on. I'm sure they won't lose it right back to HHH, but I don't see how the Elimination Chamber really puts someone over.

I think WWE is making a mistake by changing the match from HHH/Goldberg, because if they had bothered to actually TRY, stick to it, and use the two months between the announcement and SummerSlam to build a story for the match, it would have made at least some attempt to draw. But, this is WWE and if they decide something is a bad idea over the weekend, it's changed on Monday.

I'm an American. I like the idea of more direct, polarized conflict. Good vs Evil, Republican vs Democrat, The Rebellion vs The Empire. An HHH-Goldberg match would have been better, since it would have focused on two characters. Rock-Brock played out great last year, and this could have done the same thing.

Yeah, I know HHH is injured, and groin injuries are extremely painful and hard to heal, but I'm assuming HHH is going to be in this match come SummerSlam and that he's going to work. He's gutted it out in the past.

There may be a compromise in match quality for HHH/Goldberg, but that's not what people were going to order SummerSlam for. It's been proven (Hogan/Piper, Austin/McMahon) that people do not order matches because of the workrate, and the matches usually drew well the second time around despite being not-technically-sound matches. It's the story that draws people to PPV.

Just because the names alone didn't draw well at house shows, without going into how HHH isn't a draw and Goldberg is questionable, doesn't mean that there isn't a story that could draw between these two. The injury factors in, of course, and I understand why some things have to be changed, but they needed to keep Goldberg/HHH on the marquee no matter what. That's just my opinion.

Of course, it's not that way now.

Here's what I think will happen: Orton pins HHH, because HHH recenly vowed to put Orton over or die trying. Goldberg wins by beating... let's say Jericho. Flair or Jericho are my second choices to win, because an upset Flair win would win back some fans (but wouldn't last) and Jericho could gain an edge if he loses his hair and changes his character.

I don't even want to think about Nash winning. HBK won the last one, no way they'd do the same thing again... or would they?
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#23 Posted on
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    If people don't think Goldberg's going to win, who would he agree to lay down for?










      If a cattle prod can get snuck into the ring, perhaps he could lay down for Nash again.

      (edited by redsoxnation on 5.8.03 1203)


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#24 Posted on
I am thinking Goldberg will get the strap. I think that HHH's injury is the reason for the match change. This way HHH doesn't have to do much and not risk more injury. As far as Goldberg lukewarm crowd responses, I think that most crowds have been behind him bigtime recently. Not last night, but that was Canada AKA Bizarro World. Plus a match against Flair was going to be a tough sell anywhere. I was thinking that Orton should get the match last night, not a legend like Flair. The house show matches all seemed like run-in galores from the reports I read. Plus, the crowd had to know Goldberg didn't have a chance of winning. Come on, a title change at a house show? That kind of pre-detemined outcome/run-in always deflates a house show crowd.

I just hope we don't see a face turn heel and join Evolution in the chamber.



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#25 Posted on
I am so beyond thrilled about this latest development. Now, there are actually four possible outcomes that involve HHH losing the title *and* Goldberg not winning it, whereas before there were zero. (Granted one of those new outcomes is New World Champion Kevin Nash, but let's not think about that right now.)

Now, they've taken out three matches that I can't see anyone giving a good goddamn about (Yeah, I'm sure Michaels-Orton would've shot the buyrates through the roof.), and added more room for quality matches. Maybe we'll even see the Cruiserweights!

So, who is going to win?

HHH: No. Seems to me they only changed this match because of his injury and to keep him from having to work an entire main event match. You can never say never with HHH, but there's almost no chance.

RANDY ORTON: Doubtful. I can see the angle some of you proposed for him playing out, but it would be way too much way too soon. He shouldn't even be in this match. You know he's just there to "tip the odds" in HHH's favor, and Flair could've played that role just as well (with the added bonus of having an outside chance of winning it). Orton should be fighthing Booker for the IC belt at Summerslam.

KEVIN NASH: Not if there's a God. No, can't see it. He bombed as a main-eventer two months in a row. I can't see them trying it again. Another guy who shouldn't even be in this match. Get Harvey Dee in here - he's the only person who was clever enough to use the Chamber to his advantage at Survivor Series (the SPIDERMAN~! spot) and while he wouldn't win either, he'd be another over face. (And then you can have Kevin Nash fight... oh, who gives a rat's ass what they do with Kevin Nash?)

SHAWN MICHAELS: Maybe. He won last time, and his title reign didn't really set the world on fire, but there's an outside possibility here.

CHRIS JERICHO: Again, quite possibly, for the reasons detailed many times above.

BILL GOLDBERG: *sigh*... Probably. I don't see why. The fans pop for his entrance, but always seem to turn on him before the match is over when he's booked in anything longer than a squash. He's got no love for the business, less charisma and talent than Kevin Nash, is, by all accounts, extremely self-important (for no good reason) and, if he was really a draw, wouldn't people have, you know, actually tuned into WCW to see him once in a while. He was the biggest star in a company that went out of business largely to audience apathy, and that incident at the WTC ruins was absolutely deplorable. So, yeah, give him the belt.





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#26 Posted on
Goldberg will be one of the first two people able to wrestle in the chamber, and he'll outlast everyone else until HHH comes out last. Then, boom, spear, jackhammer, pin, unstoppable monster.

The trick is booking the match to hide Goldberg's weaknesses. Enter Chris Jericho, in yet another all-star performance.

Orton, Michaels, and Nash are all enhancement talent for this match.
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#27 Posted on
I think Jericho should, and will, win. His promos have been awesome of late, he has been putting on the most entertaining matches on Raw, and the Highlite Reel is working well.

I don't know how you eliminate Goldberg though. He will need to pin at least two wrestlers I think, just to keep him monster like. Bah, I don't have to figure it out.



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#28 Posted on
I could totally see them trying to rig a holy-shit-like moment, such as Goldberg spearing someone through the `bulletproof glass chamber', or worse, through the chain-link cage, to make him seem like more of a feared competitor.



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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Nash: If he loses his hair, he gets the belt. Of course, I have faith that he won't job his precious hair. Extremely injury prone, has had a fainting spell recently, and rarely does house shows. Under no circumstances should he get the belt. Odds 15-1.


I'm surprised that no one has point out the obvious yet, and that being that perhaps the real reason he fainted was just revealed.
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#30 Posted on
I'm going to say HHH for one simple reason. The more logical the rationale for taking the belt off him, the more squashtastic his victories are:

RVD: Chance to put over RVD and make him a legitimate main event guy. One non-conclusive finish which everyone defends as "building up to something better". Something better never happens.

Kane: Mocks the guy repeatedly. Makes him out to be a murdering necrophile. No revenge ever taken on HHH as he gets away scot-free. Again defended as "something better will happen next time." Something better never happens.

Scott Steiner: Very good buildup to this match that masked Steiner's total lump-like qualities. Match is atrocious. HHH goes over. Rematch ensues, HHH goes over again. Steiner moves into midcard perv role.

Booker T: The pinnacle of this sort of thing. The whole build-up for the match is centered around how black guys like Booker can't beat white guys like HHH. This POV is of course proven correct when HHH pins Booker after apparently rendering him comatose after a pedigree.

Thus with this logic, the fact that Goldberg is an unstoppable monster, everyone in the match except Orton hates him, Orton is a slimy weasel who would backstab him in a minute, he has a groin injury that should put him on the shelf for a while, and his 14 month reign as champion (with one hiccup) has been boredom-inducing beyond comprehension. With that in mind I expect him to pedigree Goldberg after Orton and Flair sneak back into the cell. This will of course lead to us being told the next day how this is "building up for something better, like Goldberg beating HHH 1-on-1 when he's healthy." and most likely nothing better will ever happen.



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#31 Posted on
I think it depends on what they want to do with Kane. If he's got a title hunt in the future he'll need another monster to fight, so Goldberg should win.

If however, Kane is still going to be stuck in this Austin/Bischoff/McMahon thing, then Jericho would be best as he has the most feuds running simultaneously.

Actually, I think it would be pretty funny if Jericho won, and while H^3 is out healing Y2J sort of entered himself into Evolution taking H's place.



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#32 Posted on
Goldberg, setting up Goldberg-Kane at Unforgiven.



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#33 Posted on
*sighs*

Goldberg.

One guess who does the final job after carrying the entire match.

:(

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#34 Posted on
For all the talk of Orton being in this, I happened to think this little scheme up. Not saying Orton will win, but it would be somewhat cool to see Hunter and Orton beat Goldberg and start celebrating while JR reminds us the match is still going on. Flair and Orton and Hunter all celebrate as the cage is lifted, Flair nails Hunter, Orton RKOs him, and gets the belt. As Hunter lies there beaten Flair gives an incredible interview about Evolution and the state of wrestling. Flair tells us in the way that only Naitch can, that the Present of wrestling, embodied in Hunter is crap, and Flair is going to try his damnedst to make sure the future of wrestling lives up to the past and not the standards of today by having Orton lead us out of the current age and into a new golden one.



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#35 Posted on
I don't understand why everyone thinks that this match is to protect Triple H from doing the job. And I don't understand why they think that the scenario will be that Goldberg (or whoever) will win the title but he'll beat Jericho (or someone else) to win it to aviod Triple H getting pinned. Well it's called ELIMINATION Chamber, not ONE FALL chamber. Triple H has to get pinned by somebody at some point unless he wins it all.

From least likely to most likely...
Nash - whoever said his odds are 2 - 1 is insane, Nash is the least likely to win. A) they pushed him to the main event and then quickly brought him back because they realized he wasn't cutting it. B) he fainted at a show, do you really want a champion who is possibly in worse health than Triple H? C) I think Jericho will beat him in the hair vs. hair match, and while he could be rewarded with a big win I think it would be pretty stupid for the winner of the main event be someone who went into the match with such a humiliating match.

Orton - it's just too early

HBK - HBK will always be a contender as long as he's still around so I wouldn't put it pass them to give him another reign

Jericho - If Triple H is out of action then naturally he's the best choice being the next highest heel, and like earlier stated he already has beefs with Goldberg, Nash, Michaels, RVD. Plus Jericho vs. HBK part 3 would make a good main event for the next ppv.

Triple H - I think you can disregard the injury. Triple H has been broken down for a while now and he's still held the title. If he has to have surgery or whatever he can just do interviews and not wrestle. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was still champ after Summerslam.

Bill Goldberg - I think the finals will most likely come down to Goldberg vs. Triple H. I know that's what the main event was and they changed it, but I don't think it's because they don't want one of them to win. They just realize that A) the match will be better this way and B) they needed to make room on the undercard.

The way I think would be best to play it out is to have Goldberg first against Jericho. Goldberg hangs on for the entire match until Triple H who comes out last. This way Triple H's action is limited but you still end up with the big matchup in the end.

Of course the big question is who gets injured? Triple H, Orton, Nash, and HBK all have had either a major or nagging injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody comes out injured.



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#36 Posted on
HHH -- He probably won't retain, but he also won't lose cleanly. Expect a fluke pin by Jericho or HBK after Orton turns on him.

Nash -- No chance in hell. He was feuding with TEST, of all people.

HBK -- Longshot, but I don't think the WWE's gonna put the belt on him again. He had his one-shot run, and he's done.

Orton -- I think they put him in here to try and make a star out of him. Even money says that they let him get the pin on HBK.

Jericho -- He'll carry the match, again. And he'll do the job again. For as much as Jericho jobs, he's like the Rock. He doesn't need the belt to keep people behind him, so you may as well place it on those who do.

Goldberg -- If it's not Jericho, it's him. It's not time for him to job yet.
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#37 Posted on
The way I see it.

HHH is the last in, and the first out. Being jumped by the other guys, minus Randy.

HHH is eliminated by one of his clique buddies, Michaels or Nash.

HHH is pissed, and pedigress Randy for not helping him. Goldberg pins Randy.

Jericho is the only heel left, but The clique turns on eachother. Nash does the job to Michaels.

Goldberg spears Michaels, after Jericho dodges it. A bulldog gets Goldberg down long enough for Jericho to beat Michaels.

After fighting hard, Jericho ends up doing the Job to Goldberg.

Unforgiven Main Event - Goldberg/Jericho for the World Title.

See? HHH doesn't job to Goldberg, and Goldberg gets the title.



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#38 Posted on

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

    I think WWE is making a mistake by changing the match from HHH/Goldberg, because if they had bothered to actually TRY, stick to it, and use the two months between the announcement and SummerSlam to build a story for the match, it would have made at least some attempt to draw. But, this is WWE and if they decide something is a bad idea over the weekend, it's changed on Monday.

    I'm an American. I like the idea of more direct, polarized conflict. Good vs Evil, Republican vs Democrat, The Rebellion vs The Empire. An HHH-Goldberg match would have been better, since it would have focused on two characters.





      1)I disagree, I think it has added alot of speculation(I mean look at this thread!). Your right about the WWE, they did blow the big build they could of had. If built for a long time I think Golberg vs. Trips could draw a bit more than the six-man Elimination Chamber.

      2)Good vs. Evil: Ummm, I like the idea of a anti-hero who is good at heart.

      3)Republican vs. Democrat: I'll take Indepedent or some other third party, thank you.

      4)The Rebellion vs. The Empire: I want to be a cool ass Bounty Hunter!!!!

      IMHO I think Y2j joins Evolution by taking out Hunter, and Trips takes some time off. Your winner: Y2j!



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I'm really surprised at the number of people writing off Hunter...

An injury has never stopped him before. If nothing else, a 6-man match gives him an opportunity to prove how much of a team player he is, and wrestle for 45 minutes hurt.

Survivor Series 2000 was supposed to knock him out of action for a couple months due to a groin or back injury I believe... Instead, he was back a week later.

He took the fall after King Of The Ring 2002 - despite being scheduled to get his belt back until they found out he was hurt. He only stayed away 4 weeks before coming back still hurt but opting to fight through it.

He recovered, and we got Survivor Series 2002 where his throat was crushed. He still managed to come back within 1 week which gave him enough time for a two week build to Armaggedon to get the World Title back.

If he can make it to the ring, Triple H seems to get off on showing the world he's willing to give EVERYTHING to wrestling hurt or not.

Now - we can get into the politics of it taking away from healthy guys but I'd rather stay out of THAT.

I would not in the least be surprised to see Triple H retain his title, if for no other reason than the shock value. He lost the last one, I can't see him dropping an elimination chamber twice in the same year for the title. Kinda devalues it after being built up for so long.



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#40 Posted on

    Originally posted by cfgb
    An injury has never stopped him before. If nothing else, a 6-man match gives him an opportunity to prove how much of a team player he is, and wrestle for 45 minutes hurt.

    Survivor Series 2000 was supposed to knock him out of action for a couple months due to a groin or back injury I believe... Instead, he was back a week later.

    He took the fall after King Of The Ring 2002 - despite being scheduled to get his belt back until they found out he was hurt. He only stayed away 4 weeks before coming back still hurt but opting to fight through it.

    He recovered, and we got Survivor Series 2002 where his throat was crushed. He still managed to come back within 1 week which gave him enough time for a two week build to Armaggedon to get the World Title back.



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