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Jakegnosis
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by Underwater

      Actually, isn't the hallmark of the PSX Final Fantasies that the male lead is a badass that goes through some trauma that causes him to question everything and reduces him to becoming a whiny pussy? How much of a badass was Cloud after Reunion? The main male character is never the real badass, it's usually the male secondary character that's the badass. As far as FFX, most of the reasons you hated it were the reasons I loved it. I kinda liked Tidus' story of being the stranger who doesn't belong in the world he is in.


    Yeah, Cloud did turn out to be a bit of a pussy. I like Squall much better. He was a bad man through and through. He became a more caring, involved person, but he never lost his kick-ass attitude. VIII was the right way to do a love story- Squall and Rinoa were the most deeply realized characters in any video game, IMHO. My main problem with X is that it seems dumbed-down compared to the earlier games. You're railroaded through the plot, unable to explore or do any sidequests until the end of the game.

    I had no problem with Tidus being a stranger in a strange land, as it were. I actually really liked that. It just doesn't fly with me that he was a sports hero and suddenly becomes this steely-eyed killer. He's just this punk kid. There were a lot of parts I liked in FFX, like the sphere grid and Aeons being playable, but I thought the story was trite and the characters were generic, except for Auron. And Seymour was a pale shadow of baddies like Sephiroth and Kefka.

    It just seemed like the game was targetted towards a younger, less sophisticated crowd. I enjoyed the game, I just didn't think it held up to the older FFs.

    Mollyfan, you're very right about Cecil. He was a bad man.



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#22 Posted on
in Final Fantasy IV, all the main male characters were badasses witht he exception of Edward (but that was alright, he was a bard. Bards are supposed to be pussies) and Cid (but he's a fuckin' engineer, they're badass in their own special way).

Cecil - Badass to begin with, questions his kings orders, becomes even more of a badass even when he becomes really good.

Kain - Badass who switches sides more times than you can count.

Golbez - Super Badass, although being controlled by evil evil creature himself, he's just total pure badass personified.

FuSoYa - Badass. he's from the moon, and uses really strong magic, that makes him a badass.

Tellah - This dude casts f'n Meteo. If that isn't badass, I don't know what is. Of course, he's not a badass untill he gets his memory back.

Porom (I think that was the guy twin) - smart mouthed punk kid, who was a badass.

Yang - Badass. He's a friggin Karate Master, man. They're all badasses.

Edge - Dude is a ninja. All ninjas are badasses. It is the law.

(edited by Fuzzy Logic on 28.10.02 1213)



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#23 Posted on

    Originally posted by Fuzzy Logic
    Tellah - This dude casts f'n Meteo. If that isn't badass, I don't know what is. Of course, he's not a badass untill he gets his memory back.


Girls can be badasses too. Well, Rosa and Porom definitely were NOT but Rydia was a huge badass after she grew up. She could cast Meteo without kicking the bucket, like Tellah. She also slapped some sense into Edward when he was crying over his dead lover. One of my favorite scenes in the game was when Golbez was killing off everyone in the Dwarf Castle just because he could, and all of a sudden Mist Dragon just blows away his little pet and Rydia shows up with all these new frickin' spells. (After you thought she was dead no less. Man I love that game.) Plus, she spent a whole bunch of time living with a whole bunch of badass monsters. How cool is that? Tellah still is awesome, though. After all, he was the one who coined the immortal phrase "You spoony bard!"


    Porom (I think that was the guy twin) - smart mouthed punk kid, who was a badass


As a resident Super Nintendo FF addict, Palom was the guy twin. Porom was the prim and proper girl, although it's really easy to get the names confused. Palom was WAAAAAAY cooler, but I still crack up when I see Porom bonk him on the head after he says something stupid.



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#24 Posted on
It has been a long time since I played the game last, hence the confusion over palon and porom. Porom was a badass punk kid, with a smart mouth.

And, i was talking about the male-badass characters. Rydia is definitely one of the most badass female type characters in any game, ever. And Tellah only died when he cast meteo because he was like 900 thousand years old. Any bastard who lives to be really old like that has to be a badass, unless they lose their memory.




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#25 Posted on
That is true. I have to give props to Tellah for his awe-inspiring lifespan. Plus he was one hundred times more useful than Cecil in that Magnet Cave. That place is honestly the most frusterating area in the entire game.

I just booted up my FF4 ROM after all this talk about the game here. Awesome! No Edward, Antlion is EVIL now! Will you EVER learn?



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#26 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    It was too linear, and the story was teen soap-opera trash, IMHO. VI and VIII kick the shit out of X, no matter how pretty the graphics on PS2 are. The characters were uninspired, with the exception of Auron. Seymour was a pale shadow of Sephiroth and Kefka's malevolence. In VII, you got Cloud, who was a badass. Squall from VIII was a badass special forces motherfucker. Zidane from the inferior but still good IX was a master thief, and then all of a sudden you get this pussy fucking sports teen idol. He wasn't a convincing steely-eyed killer in the slightest.


Tidus has no luck. He's stuck in his father's shadow and ends up in the same situation as his father (being on Spira). But he does things HIS way and is able to come to terms with Jecht, who's remixed Shadow theme ruled BTW.

Cloud was an amnesiac loser. Squall was a jerk who had to get some to develop a personality. Zidane was Mr. Never Fit In.

Sephiroth was a poser! "Look, I've got a Masamune so I must be a badass. Look, I killed Aeris so I must be evil. Look I'm going to blow up the world with Meteor because Cloud is an idiot."

And I'm stunned you would put VIII over X. FFX corrected all of FFVIII's mistakes.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by darkdragoon

      Tidus has no luck. He's stuck in his father's shadow and ends up in the same situation as his father (being on Spira). But he does things HIS way and is able to come to terms with Jecht, who's remixed Shadow theme ruled BTW.

      Cloud was an amnesiac loser. Squall was a jerk who had to get some to develop a personality. Zidane was Mr. Never Fit In.

      Sephiroth was a poser! "Look, I've got a Masamune so I must be a badass. Look, I killed Aeris so I must be evil. Look I'm going to blow up the world with Meteor because Cloud is an idiot."

      And I'm stunned you would put VIII over X. FFX corrected all of FFVIII's mistakes.




    I guess I'll just agree to disagree. I didn't really like Cloud. Cid and Vincent were the shit in VII. And I liked how unlikable Squall was. He wasn't a "teen idol" character like Tidus, and I thought his character development was well done. Sephiroth was not a poser, he was a baaad man. He realized his whole life was a lie, and it drove him mad. I thought that was cool as shit.

    I think this all just goes to show what a great series Final Fantasy is, to get people so worked up about characters they grew to care about. Props to Square for making such a great game with such great characters. I never liked Tidus, but at least I gave a fuck about him. Who ever gave two shits about Crash fucking Bandicoot?

    Bravo, Square.



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#28 Posted on
I guess the point is moot since we're agreeing to disagree, but:

I think that I was able to relate most to the characters presented in FFX, because they were the most realistic to me. Their themes and ideas were much more accessible and no one was "right", and even the evil character's weren't all that evil. It was too conflicting sides of the ideal. What is best for the people of Spira?

The Yevonites believed that the way to a better Spira was an orderly Spira. If everyone was kept pretty much in line, and didn't question what the Powers that Be said (most readily identifiable in Wakka) then things will be ok, in the end. Sin served that purpose. Sin rose up, "punished Spira for it's wickedness" and the Yevonites struck it down. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Anything else is unnacceptable (as evidenced by the ban on Technology, and the orchestrated failure of the Al Bhed) While this might sound "evil", I think the Yevonites saw it as the "best" for the people, and other than Sin, the monsters and the hate for the Al Bhed, Spira seems like a fairly peaceful place for it. People like Yuna, Braska, Auron, Wakka, and to a lesser extent, Jecht, Seymore, Yunaleska, and Mika bought into this.

On the other hand, Tidus (and the Al Bhed) came in and said "Well...You know, the world would be happier if Sin just died, wouldn't it." His ideas blocked out the power that the Yevonites expressed over the people of Spira. Spira's a happier place for lack of being constantly slaughtered, but you lose that "one target for all your hopes and fears". Look at the Crusaders. Once their assult on Sin failed, the majority of them didn't really know what the hell to do with themselves. If they spent all this time building up to fight Sin, and it didn't work, then what was the point? Without an enemy that they thought they could fight, their lives lost meaning.

So the fight becomes more moral than anything else. Which is pretty even across the board for all Final Fantasies. But here, we're given a better more even distribution of points of views than I think we've been given in the past. And with ALL the characters being the focul points of the game at all times (rather than the more fluid nature of settling with a few familiar or powerful or leveled up characters in the past), the characters and their ideas come to mean so much more in this case.

Tidus: "The Stranger in a Strange Land" idea is a really good one. He comes into what feels (and is really) the end of the story. He offers a fresh viewpoint to the people who've been set in their ways to live one way or another over the years. He's not a "bad ass", no, in fact he "cries", remember? But he's the reluctant hero. The guy who 9/10ths of the time can't put two and two together (who here figured out that Yuna was going to have to die hours before Tidus ever did?), but who, in a pinch, can step up and be the guy who takes charge. I don't think he ever became the "cold blooded killer", he just fought for what he believed in, which is something I think alot more people can understand than Kill Because I'm a Badass with Morals.

Yuna: The whole time she's so steadfast to her goal of dying to save her people, and nothing will stand in it's way. Not marrying Seymoure, falling in love with Tidus, nothing. But the second Tidus figures it out, she doesn't hesitate to change her mind. It's not done in a way that's wishy washy or anything, it's obvious that she cares for Spira, and will do whatever she feels best for them. What is best for them may change, and it does, and she's willing to roll with the times much more easily than say, Mikka is.

Auron: The badass character. Fighting and protecting is what he does best, but there's more there, too. Playing through it the second time, I see that he's just waiting for these crazy kids to figure things out for themselves. He knows that it's better to learn as you go than it is to learn by hearing. He could have just expositioned that Yunalesca killed off Jecht and basically Braska, and that it's all just hopeless, but he waits for Tidus and then Yuna to come around before he starts being more forthcoming with his info. That's sage stuff there.

Wakka: The very model of a guy who excepts whatever is around him as the truth and clings steadfastly to that belief because he "knows" it must be right. Then, when the world starts falling down around him, he realizes that things aren't always as black and white as they should be.

Kimarhi: The Chris Benoit of the game. Silent but Violent. Dispite whatever beliefs he may or may not hold to, he is fiercly loyal to Yuna and will hold do whatever she says because he feels it's his duty. His mind and body are strong, and as long as Yuna remains on the path she feels is right, he will be there with her.

Rikku: Doesn't want to believe anything she doesn't already. Childlike, to a fault, and for the player, to annoyance. She's too chipper or too down, but she's also trying to work out the best for everybody involved. Not the best for one group or another, but for everyone. Unfortunately, she doesn't have the wit about her that Tidus does when it comes to crunch time.

Lulu: Probably the person we find the least out about. She seems to take everything with a little more than a grain of salt. Nothing really suprises her because she doesn't really believe it right away. When she does come to believe or trust something though, she's very personal and protective about it.

All those are very real things. There are elements of all that in other Final Fantasies, yeah, but but I think that they sometimes, except for the main character and one or two other ones, get sucked up into the meta-story. You get too concerned with getting the coolest set of armor, or leveling up one specific set of characters, that some characters get lost in the shuffle. Not that's necessarily a bad thing if that's what you want to do, but if you're looking at characters, I think that FFX's are the best defined and used. And without every one of them there, I wonder if the story would have ended up the same way?

I don't know. I'm probably looking too deep into the subtext, but it really is a well written and thought out story, and those tend to make me do that.



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I was initially hesitant to pick this one up with MK Shaolin Monks coming in another week, but it's Namco and after getting about 30% through story mode, I'm pleasantly suprised. It's got alot of the Def Jam:
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