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#21 Posted on
As far as Hogan goes - say what you will, and the majority of it is quite merited, but one thing the Hulkster isn't is uncredible. Deserving or not, Hogan is synonymous with wrestling, and as far as buildup to winning the title, try 1984-2001, pretty much in total.

That doesn't mean he's good, but it would be like me saying the Rock has no credibility as champion just because I can't stand him.

Now, as far as King of the Ring goes, without counting the probable Judgment Day main event, the KOTR final will most likely be the first ever "interpromotional" match. Meaning, it's going to be two wrestlers with a decent amount of credibility and a good shot at putting together a memorable match.

That said, my predictions:

RAW:
Rob Van Dam def. William Regal
Booker T def. Goldust
Brock Lesnar def. Jeff Hardy
Eddy Guerrero def. Bubba Ray Dudley

Rob Van Dam def. Booker T
Brock Lesnar def. Eddy Guerrero

Rob Van Dam def. Brock Lesnar (This should be his first loss, and, to some extent, a fluke.)

SMACKDOWN:
Chris Benoit def. Maven
Mark Henry def. Albert
Edge def. Christian
Hardcore Holly def. Billy Kidman

Chris Benoit def. Mark Henry
Edge def. Hardcore Holly

Chris Benoit def. Edge

FINAL:
Rob Van Dam def. Chris Benoit

Do the finals for RAW and the finals for Smackdown at the PPV, as well as the final of finals, and that's enough to sell me on the show.

(Just for the record, I called the finals for 98, 99 and 2000 correctly, although I had The Rock winning in 98 and X-Pac winning in 99, and last year I said Edge over Christian, so I'm not terrible at this...)



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#22 Posted on
I'm goin' with Test. It's his turn, I think. And while this would make me extremely happy, CRZ having to refer to Test as "King Test" for a year would make me even happier. :)



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#23 Posted on
You know papercuts. The thing about 1996 is that 1996 was "SO" nearly six years ago. Anyway Kurt Angle won in 2000, but the tournament SUCKED shit and Angle got squashed by Undertaker at Fully Loaded then HHH at Summerslam and Unforgiven. He got quite a lengthy and screwy WWF title reign, but I don't really think the KOTR had anything to do with that.

Fact of the matter is that the KOTR tournament sucks, the winners suck, and the matches suck too.




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HERE is your "exciting" 1996 King of the Ring Bracket.

The Ultimate Warrior and Goldust go to a double countout! Marty Jannety and Savio Vega square off in an epic confrontation! Henry Godwin and Bradshaw! Jake Roberts and Bradshaw! MAN, that "Austin 3:16" bit was just one of MANY* highlights!

*by many I mean maybe 2



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#25 Posted on
It would be greatly preferrable if the KotR actually featured some good matches this year, but the WWF seems intent on keeping everything short. The best overall tourney wrestling-wise was still the 1993 edition, and that one even included dogs like Bigelow-Duggan, Mr. Perfect-Mr. Hughes and 15 excruciating minutes of Lex Luger vs. Tatanka. If the WWF replaced that this year with a 15-minute draw between, say, RVD and Booker T, I'd be a happy man.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by The Vile One
    You know papercuts. The thing about 1996 is that 1996 was "SO" nearly six years ago.
You can't ask a question that involves the word "when" and then discount the answer because of the date the answer involves. Sheesh. Do you even think before you try to shove your opinion down people's throat like it's the only valid one out there?
    Originally posted by Travis
    MAN, that "Austin 3:16" bit was just one of MANY* highlights!
    *by many I mean maybe 2

I love it when people get burned by CRZ and then use the format of said burn against them in a post. Ah, Travis. Good old Travis. Always in favor of being "smarky" despite the facts. Said question, posed by "The Vile One" read as such: "When was the last time the King of the Ring tournament was remotely good or had a meaningful winner?" He didn't ask for highlights. He didn't ask for match quality (and my post did not involve me indicating either of those subjective topics, either). He asked for a "meaningful winner." Steve Austin's 1996 victory qualfies as a "meaningful win" after the fact, because it catapaulted him to stardom and ultimately put him in a position to carry the WWF back to prominence.



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Are you proposing that the '96 tournament was "good" because Austin won, or that Austin wouldn't have gotten over without that win and following lame speech? I know *I* didn't take Austin seriously until he had beaten both Jake Roberts AND Savio Vega. Forget that Bret Hart guy. It was really all about his match with MARC F'N MERO.

And how was my presentation "smarky despite the facts"? I posted a link to the bracket for the aforementioned event.

The rest of your trolling I won't dignify with a response (here) but suffice it to say that people tend to get mighty personal with their attacks once their original point has fallen apart...




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by Travis
    Are you proposing that the '96 tournament was "good" because Austin won, or that Austin wouldn't have gotten over without that win and following lame speech?
Let's see... ::scrolls up to previous post::
    Originally posted by me
    He didn't ask for highlights. He didn't ask for match quality (and my post did not involve me indicating either of those subjective topics, either).
Obviously I'm not talking about the tournament being good. The 1996 King of the Ring Tournament gave the Stone Cold Steve Austin character a direction and a catchphrase that caused fans to sit up and take notice. This direction ultimately led to a feud with Bret Hart and the eventual face turn. You know this. I know you know this. You're being difficult. Again.



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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Vile One
    Fact of the matter is that the KOTR tournament sucks, the winners suck, and the matches suck too.


Don't you hate everything in the WWF? (That's the impression I've always gotten from your posts, anyway.) In which case, the fact that you hate KOR kind of goes without saying, don't you think?

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#30 Posted on
Well according to the Observer Smackdown had it's lowest non-holiday rating ever last Thursday night, and according to Dave "Unlike a few weeks ago when the show also did a 3.4, there weren't many major market pre-emptions, so realistically, this was the worst performance by Smackdown in history." While I agree that the pops for Hogan are still pretty large, I'm not sure what kind of legs this thing has with him on top.


No Rock, no Austin, on SD. That's probably a least a few tenths right there. Would probably be more without Hogan.

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    Originally posted by The Vile One
    When was the last time the King of the Ring tournament was remotely good or had a meaningful winner?
It's a fairly well-known fact that in odd-numbered years (with the exception of the first winner Bret Hart), the KotR winner is totally meaningless. In EVEN-numbered years, it's usually more meaningful (although many consider Shamrock a wash).

I noticed you'd amended your question later to "remotely good full stop," but still I hope that answers the other bit.



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#32 Posted on

    Originally posted by BrewGuy
    I'm goin' with Test. It's his turn, I think. And while this would make me extremely happy, CRZ having to refer to Test as "King Test" for a year would make me even happier. :)


WHAT THE..????

Sheesh, like he hasn't received enough pushes for no reason.
Hey, if that happens, I think CRZ should call him King Horseface...

Or maybe King Bucktooth...

How about King NarcissTest...

Would you believe King Longface???




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#33 Posted on
I'm gonna go with something of a dark horse and back Benoit to win it, if he's cleared to compete by KotR. It would give him a *huge* boost to not only come back strong, but come back and beat several men in one night to do it.

With Benoit in the final, there's potential for a killer match or two, especially if they let Eddie sneak into the finals on the Raw side (via a bye, say, after Lesnar crushes his opponent and gets DQed.)



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#34 Posted on
I'd like to see Benoit or Guerrero win it too, but I think unless some upper tier talent gets involved, the win won't mean much.

Maybe something like:

Raw side -
X-Pac(NWO constantly running interference for him)
Brock (Next Big Thing...Could conceivably be a face by then, Lawler's "pick")
RVD (Play up how he thinks he has it locked, let the fans believe it, JR's "pick")
Eddie (There to squash RVD's dreams)

Smackdown side -
Edge (Defending champ)
Angle (Looking to regain the crown before heading to train for 2004)
Benoit (Tears through competition on his comeback)
Jericho (Claims that he held every championship he could qualify for, but this one)

match-ups
Brock v. X-Pac
Hinting for weeks at getting fed up w/ Heyman, Brock snaps mid-match when interference goes awry. This solidifies Brock as a face. NWO interference gives X-pac the win, but Brock CRIPPLES X-Pac after the match, scaring off the nWo. X-Pac is revealed to not be able to continue (fans cheer for a few minutes).

RVD v. Eddie
Lead into this with a Sunday Night Heat attack on RVD. Eddie uses every cheap trick in the book and wins with a feet on the ropes/fistful of tights roll-up after a title shot.

Raw side
Eddie gets the bye a-la Nate the Snake.

Angle v. Edge
After Edge gets a questionable Judgement Day victory, he's been mocking Angle for weeks. After an intense bout, Angle wins w/ the Angle Lock (maybe after some interference from whoever you want Edge to feud w/next).

Benoit v. Jericho
Hard fought battle sees Benoit emerge victorious, but only after Jericho seriously injures his ribs/arm/leg/back. Jericho keeps working the injury post-match.

Angle v. Benoit
Angle dominates, but loses to a surprise roll-up. Short, rest-match for Benoit, leads to post KOTR Benoit/Angle feud.

Benoit v. Eddie
If either man wins, it will make good TV. Either Benoit will have battled through 3 grueling matches to make his win matter, or Eddie can ride the massive heel heat from getting a tainted win, a bye, and a victory over an exhausted, injured man.

I know that this scenario is dangerously close to fantasy booking but IMHO (god how I hate that term), it's very probable, and I just don't see them giving KOTR to someone who's still as green as Lesnar (though I'm sure he will make a strong showing)

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#35 Posted on
Sheesh, like he hasn't received enough pushes for no reason.
Hey, if that happens, I think CRZ should call him King Horseface...

Or maybe King Bucktooth...

How about King NarcissTest...

Would you believe King Longface???


The key word in all these phrases, however, would be "King". Yessir! :)



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#36 Posted on

    Originally posted by MoeGates

    No Rock, no Austin, on SD. That's probably a least a few tenths right there. Would probably be more without Hogan.

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    (edited by MoeGates on 29.4.02 1742)


If that's the case, ratings will be going through the tubes. The Rock, of course, is still supposed to be out for a while longer. I'm not sure if you messed up saying Austin up there. Austin, of course, is the exclusive property of Raw, so he won't be showing up. I think it's just because Smackdown sucks, at least compared to Raw.
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#37 Posted on
The way things are going "exclusive property" doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.

But no, I didn't mess up. Austin didn't appear on Smackdown, like he had on virtually every SmackDown up until about a month ago. My point wasn't that he's usually there and wasn't there tonight, it was that there is a pretty sizeable amount of people that aren't going to watch a Wrestling show that doesn't have Steve Austin or the Rock on it. That definition fit last week's SmackDown.

I agree SD ratings will probably stay low. Maybe they'll put the belt back on Austin to try and get them up until Rocky comes back.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by CRZ
    It's a fairly well-known fact that in odd-numbered years (with the exception of the first winner Bret Hart), the KotR winner is totally meaningless. In EVEN-numbered years, it's usually more meaningful (although many consider Shamrock a wash).

    I noticed you'd amended your question later to "remotely good full stop," but still I hope that answers the other bit.



Triple H won in odd-numbered 1997. Other than that, a solid observation that had not been brought to my attention.



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#39 Posted on
I Want to see Booker T get his face run and push back to the top of the card out of this.
And, hey, odd number years don't always suck...let's see there's
Mabel, ummm,
HHH, uhhh, yeah, ummm,
Billy Gunn, ummm, uhhh,
Edge....
Ummm...well, at least Edge is getting better....and HHH didn't suck for a while there...ummm....



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#40 Posted on
You know papercuts, I asked when was the last time it was remotely good. And six years is a long time ago. So it means that according to you, WWF hasn't done anything good with KOTR for 6 years.




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