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Mr Shh
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Since: 9.1.02
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#1 Posted on


NOTE: I put my guess for the mole at the end of this postit's someone that I haven't seen mentioned yet, so if you don't want to be pissed, then don't read.



George Mason? Maybe, but I remember a long time ago, he interrogated Jamey when Jack escaped from the CTU lockdown. Why would he question Jamey if Mason were the other mole?

Nina Myers? Probably the obvious choice. Jealousy is a good motive. No evidence that I know of that disavows her. Would be a letdown for me, since it was foreshadowed in every episode (when Jack does his opening voiceover and says "and people that I work with may be involved in both," they always show Nina).

Tony Almeida? Another likely choice. He may have come around on Jack, but he still, I'm sure, harbors hatred against him for turning in his (dirty) colleagues.

Senator Palmer? Wow, I can't even begin to ponder the intricacies of this one. There is a motive, I guess. Palmer could have known all along that Bauer was on the Drazen mission, and he could be blaming Jack for not getting the job done and for losing all of his men. Palmer's not CTU, though, and the TV previews say that the mole within CTU will be uncovered, FWIW.

Milo? No opinion, either way.

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Richard Walsh

He was killed (supposedly) during hour two. He's the guy who told Bauer that the only person he could trust is Jamey. He could have several motivescould hate Jack for turning in his dirty colleagues, or he could hate Jack for screwing up Operation Nightfall, or both. Will people remember him, though?
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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
Bah. I've seen multiple people list Walsh as the possible second mole, and that he's only had a fauxdeath. I personally think that would be a shitty ending to it. Take someone off the show for 20 episodes, and then bring them back and try to have people still care about them.

The reason he said the only person he could trust was Jamey was because he was fucking her. He was thinking with the wrong head, end of story. At least, that's how I see it. I could be wrong, obviously.

I'm gonna go with Nina. She seems to be the obvious choice, but I can't think of anyone else who would really fit. Palmer is a MAYBE, especially with him making sure that his name wasn't gonna be connected at all, with whatever he was talking about on the phone. He's the curveball right now, but I'm still gonna go with Nina.



thecubsfan
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Since: 10.12.01
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The key, I think, is to concentrate on the events of the last few hours; while they could always go back to the beginning to pull something out, the writers did state that they're making much of this up as they go along, so we can't assume everything matches up the whole way. Better to concetrate on the stuff they were doing when they knew who it'd be.

We have to assume that the Mole (back this summer on ABC) set up Kim to be recaptured, and to do that, they'd have to know where she was and that she was going to be moved. The only three people who would seem to have access to this information would be Nina, Tony and Chappele (or whatever the current CTU boss' name is, I'm losing track of names.)

[Theortically, there could be some bug or someone unknowningly do the work of the real mole, but those are real reaches so I'm ignoring them in hopes they don't happen. I'm sure they'll bring Milo back as a red herring, though.]

Tony took out the terroirsts and *prevented* Teri from being capatured, so he can't be the Mole - he'd be working agianst himself for no reason. Not that whoever is the Mole probably won't be taking a very complex route for something that could've been done much easier, but that's pushing it.

It's tougher to figure out the other two - but if the CTU Boss wanted Jack dead on out of the way, it could have been done already - either on the way to the prison or just by not doing the hostage exchange. If he's part of some large conspiracy, he wouldn't need Palmer's help - he's either going to be disappearing, or already has friends in high places.

That leaves Nina. There's a lot of suspicous behavior that could all make sense if she's revealed to be working for the other side - leaving the safe house just before the Terrorists got there to kill everyone, for one. Or her not yet telling Teri that Kim has been recaptured.

There's the problem of the Gaines led terrorists trying to kill off Nina (through Jack)...but I'll go with her anyway.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Is it next Tuesday yet?



thecubsfan
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Since: 10.12.01
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
oh man I wish it was

that was SO awesome



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Since: 31.1.02
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#6 Posted on
i defintely didn't expect palmer to have figured out his wife's plan and fire penny. next week should be good.



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thecubsfan
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Since: 10.12.01
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I was really hoping he really did knew what was going on, and was gonna be wise to it - I didn't expect THAT wise.

I think we can all see what's gonna happen for the person who so loves saying WE. They tried to kill Palmer! There's absolutely no way he can lose this election now! He can do whatever he want!

Was I the only one who put the pieces together just seconds before Jack did and was yelling at the TV that the phone was a bomb?

What kind of terrorists are THEY to let KIM outsmart them? C'mon!

I don't feel like checking right now, but I wonder if, after we saw Jack leave Nina for dead and before Tony picked her up, if there maybe was time for a switch - they've once made a duplicate with plastic surgery today, why not a second? It would explain why they wanted her out of the way in the first place, and it would give us the explanation.

Though, that doesn't explain why Nina was so freaked out about seeing that guy in the hospital - or maybe what we thought was a conversation was actually CODE WORDS. Yes! maybe.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I don't feel like checking right now, but I wonder if, after we saw Jack leave Nina for dead and before Tony picked her up, if there maybe was time for a switch - they've once made a duplicate with plastic surgery today, why not a second? It would explain why they wanted her out of the way in the first place, and it would give us the explanation.

    Though, that doesn't explain why Nina was so freaked out about seeing that guy in the hospital - or maybe what we thought was a conversation was actually CODE WORDS. Yes! maybe.

Whoa, I think you just blew my mind.



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Fazzle
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Since: 2.1.02
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#9 Posted on
They, being the Drazens, didn't want her out of the way. Gaines did. Nina was a part of plan B, Gaines didn't know anything about plan B. I think I'll just say plan B a few more times, because, as we all know, we Americans are so fond of saying it.


Edited cause I'm stupid, and tried to quote the basic way :)

(edited by Fazzle on 15.5.02 0533)
thecubsfan
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Gaines didn't need Nina to do anything - IIRC, she was just put away to give Jamey some breathing room. We could suppose that the specfic order to get rid of Nina (as opposed to Tony or someone else) was given to Gaines from above, for reasons he didn't know and wasn't going to ask.

There's a little murkyness about why evilNina would help reveal Jamey but then, there's a murkness in that no matter which way you're looking at it.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    There's a little murkyness about why evilNina would help reveal Jamey


Because exposing Jamey would take the spotlight off Nina. Jamey was just help, and was easily expendable. I get the feeling that Nina's a lot more. One of the founding members of the plan. I'm not sure exactly WHO she is though. I don't think she's a Drazen. She might be related to Coffell though, because if you remember in that scene, she kept on persuading Jack to either let him go, because he might not be the right guy, or to just intimidate him, and not actually hurt him.



Dahak
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Since: 12.5.02
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#12 Posted on
I was kind of pissed. Not that it was Nina but that she is apparently Serbian. I mean how the fuck did CTU miss that? Plus for her to be that high level of an agent she would have had to been there before the failed Drazen hit 2 years previous. So either she was switched with a real agent or was turned and really has gone all out for the Serbian spy thing.
But it does explain some things though. Like why Nina looks similar to Teri. If the Drazens had this planned all along then putting a sympathetic ear who looks like a woman they know Jack likes make sense. But the planning and danger are pretty extreme. I guess I will just have to wait until next week. Then hopefully things will be made clear.



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chazworthington
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I really like thecubsfan theory, because that would explain the time discrepancy between the bombing incident 2 years ago, and the amount of time needed for Nina to get where she is today.

As for turning in Jamey, my memory is foggy, but didn't Tony make the connection when Jamey said she had just spoken with Nina? So Nina had to follow Tony on that one.

However, if the DOD plans were really altered four days beforehand, then this entire theory is shot. Of course, if she could fake the fact that Mason altered the files, surely she could fake the time it took to alter it.

Even better, this would explain the Alberta Green character. She was really a non-factor, and no confrontation between her and Nina ever came up, despite their past history. This would make perfect sense if it was a fake Nina, avoiding Green.



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thecubsfan
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Since: 10.12.01
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
>She was really a non-factor, and no confrontation between
>her and Nina ever came up, despite their past history.

Yes! Nina never explained what the deal was because she didn't totally know (though they briefed her on enough to keep her safe), not that the writers just forgot about that! It makes sense now.

And Nina used her resources higher up to get Alberta transfered back to Division so it wouldn't go further (which would explain her random disapperance.)

What hour was Jamey discovered? I suppose someone could flip through MBT's recaps and vertify that Tony found out first and see if Nina's actions match up.

(I have this feeling that their explaination will be a let down - if we get one?)

(edited by thecubsfan on 19.5.02 0018)
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Since: 12.4.02
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#15 Posted on
Ok, here we go:

According to fox's website:

Nina getting shot by Jack happened almost at 7am. The 7am to 8am episode is the one where Jack was suppose to kill Palmer.

The times off the website read as follows:

7:00 am: Having been shot......Nina walks off dazed and bruised

7:08 am: Gaines sends Jamey an instant message....she is shocked when Gaines informs her that Nina is dead

7:17 am: Nina finds a phone and dials Jamey, Jamey is not at her desk to answer it. Nina then calls Tony, asking for Jamey. Tony is about to hand the phone to Jamey, but overhears her telling Milo that Nina is at an all day meeting......[Jamie] says she just spoke to Nina.......[Tony] tells Nina about what Jamey said.....


So, I guess 17 minutes is enough to catch and kill the real Nina, then sub in the false one. And since Tony caught on to Jamey, she had to be taken care of. The website doesn't say, so does anyone remember who gave Jamey that cup of coffee?

It does look like Tony made alot of the other discoveries that he and Nina announced jointly such as the arrival of the second assassin(s). Also, it was Tony, and not Nina, who gave Jack the electric grid coordinate information. I think this is a very plausible senario

What else needs explaining?




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