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Jeff
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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    The Rock, a terrific athelete? Since when is being cut from a Canadian Taxi Squad/Practice team considered being a GREAT ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENT?


Rock's not a skilled football player. Doesn't mean he's not a great athlete.



    And, if you think that Roy Jones Junior is great because he is a great boxer, well, thats ALL he is, a great boxer. But, if he was a GREAT all around athelete, wouldnt he be doing better than Semi Pro Basketball?


For a guy who's making millions of dollars as a boxer and just playing basketball for fun, semi-pro is about as far as he's want to go. Why try for the pros when you want to make your own schedule?

I don't think Roy's a great athlete just because he's a great boxer. There are lots of great boxers who are just skilled and not overly athletic (James Toney). It's how he boxes that makes him a great athlete. Stamina for constant motion, the quickness to slip every punch in a round (against Vinny Pazienza), the toughness to take punches, the speed to play point guard, and the power to knock someone out while moving back. What else is there for an athelete?



    Best conditioned athelets are probably track and field.


I know lots of people who can run marathons. I don't know many who can throw punches for tweleve rounds while avoiding others. Try it for three minutes.



    Most physical ability is probably HOckey.
    Next is Basketball, followed buy Baseball and football.
    But, that is just my opinion.



Physical ability? In what way? I'm going to guess you're a huge hockey fan. Basketball is your second favorite sport, but it isn't really close. And you don't really care for football and baseball.

Of the four major sports I think the most coordinated athletes are baseball players. The toughest are football and hockey. Basketball for stamina. But within each sport there are too many different kinds of players to make any generalizations.

Jeff
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#22 Posted on
I'd say the most coordinated are probably soccer players.

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#23 Posted on
I think the greatest athletes are oranges.
Or else it has to be apples.

You cannot compare any of these athletes with one another.
A hockeyplayer has to stand on ice, hit these incredible small discs with a stick. Balance, concentration, precision..yet I am sure that doesn't mean they know how to hit a homerun, kick a football, or even how to play golf (well).
I am not even sure if rugby can compare to american football when it all comes down to it.

All these sports are so different that it takes a special training to compete in them, and even more than just training to excel.

The greatest athlete has to be someone who did excel in different types of sport. Carl Lewis won several golden medals in different types of track and field. He might come close. Perhaps a decathlon champion?



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#24 Posted on
I gotta admit, I'm kind of surprised at the lack of love for pro football in this thread. Yes, it is my favorite sport, yes, I'm biased...

But, c'mon. Marshall Faulk? Jerry Rice, who may be the best 40+ year old athlete in any sport ever? Not to mention that football may have the most raw chaos of any of the other sports mentioned, outside of perhaps hockey. Admittedly, that's a mental thing more than a physical, but a perfect body with no mind won't do you any good in sports (

That said, yes, absolutely, apples and oranges. I just felt somebody needed to stand up for the ol' gridiron.




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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jeff I'm going to guess you're a huge hockey fan. Basketball is your second favorite sport, but it isn't really close. And you don't really care for football and baseball.

    Of the four major sports I think the most coordinated athletes are baseball players. The toughest are football and hockey. Basketball for stamina. But within each sport there are too many different kinds of players to make any generalizations.

    Jeff



Just for the record, I am a huge hockey fan. I am a bigger football fan though.

I worked at Norfolk Scope for 5 years and was able to watch a hockey player work on his skills after practices. WOrk on nothing but footwork, skating and balance. After seeing this go on for about 3 weeks, I asked him why he was out on the ice day after day working on it, and who that guy was who was always with him. The guy is a special skating instructor, who works with players on footwork. Explained to me some of the drills they do, and why just a few pounds or pressure one way or another can be the difference between NHL footwork and ECHL footwork. Five years later, that player is now with the Dallas Stars. (Aaron Downey)

I played Football and Baseball growing up, and throughout High school. Baseball takes SOME coordination, but not nearly as much as hockey. A batter gets a 90MPH fastball, and it is only going to move a very little on the way to the plate. He has to judge if it is a strike and whether or not to swing at it. He is standing still, waiting for it to come, and had at least 1 to 1.5 seconds from the time a pitcher starts his windup to when he has to decide to swing. If he swings, he is using a bat, that is as wide as the ball, and designed to knock it in the opposite direction.

A Center, in hockey, has a puck come at him at 90 MPH. He is moving to shield the goalie, or defenceman, usually backwards, and has to try to redirect a puck, only about an inch thick, moving irradically, with a stick that is designed basically to sling shot a puck. He has to angle his stick, maintain balance while moving, or being hit, and make anough contact to redirect the shot, while not making TOO much contact, which would slow it, and allow the goalie to make a save.
To me, that is harder than hitting a fastball.

I agree with Roy Jones Jr being a terrific boxer. Probably the best since SweatPea Whitiker, and definately the best of the late 90s and early 2000s. He is a hell of an athletic guy. But, in my opinion, he isnt as skilled as some of the great hockey players.

With all that being said, what about UFC guys like Shamrock, Gracie, etc? WHere does thier abilities rank?
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#26 Posted on
To me, UFC/MMA is generally a far more strategic/mind-bassed skill than it is a physical one. Yes, you need solid athletic grounding, strength, agility, and especially stamina, to do well. But strategy is one of the real keys, sensing an opponents weakness, choosing your holds and your approach. Are they great athletes? Damn straight, but I think of them first and foremost as fighters. In some ways I -respect- them more, because other sports are, in a way, just playing a game. MMA is f'in' war.

In terms of raw stamina, MMA fighters may be tops, but athletes in other categories will usually outrank them in other categories (speed, strength, agility).




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#27 Posted on
Who is the greatest athelete?

MIKE DITKA

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Jeff
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#28 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    To me, that is harder than hitting a fastball.


You're right, that is harder than hitting a fastball. But pitchers tend to throw more than just fastballs. I think the hardest thing to do in sports is hit against Pedro Martinez. You can gear up for his fastball now that it's lost a few MPH, but he can also throw that nasty curve and screwball-like slider whenever he wants for strikes. Of course Shannon Stewart is the best baseball player in the world if hitting Pedro is the measure, so the system may be flawed.



    I agree with Roy Jones Jr being a terrific boxer. Probably the best since SweatPea Whitiker, and definately the best of the late 90s and early 2000s. He is a hell of an athletic guy. But, in my opinion, he isnt as skilled as some of the great hockey players.



I think you're confusing skill with athleticism. But to compare skill to skill, nobody dominates hockey like Roy does boxing. It's tough to tell if it's Jones's skill or the level of competition he's faced, but if this Ruiz fight comes off we'll know for sure.



    With all that being said, what about UFC guys like Shamrock, Gracie, etc? WHere does thier abilities rank?


I forgot about those guys and amateur wrestlers. They're all up there with boxers as far as stamina goes. It just takes so much more out of you to be constantly defending yourself than to play any other team sport. And just like any other sport, I'm sure some are great athletes and some are just highly skilled, and the ones who are both are the greats.

Greatest athlete Mike Ditka? He could beat the 49ers by himself, and whip up on God in a round of golf. So you might be right.
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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    br>In football, they've got a pretty demanding schedule but if you're big, fat and hold guys real well you can play.


Im assuming you are referring to offensive lineman, and being a former O-lineman (center) and later coach I hate how people break down line play to a bunch of big fat slow guys running into and holding each other.
Linemen spend countless hours working on footwork, body position and technique. Most people with an untrained eye will never notice. To discount a lineman who weighs over 300 pounds and runs a sub 5.0 40 as unathletic is an insult.
As for my take on whom is most athletic (staying in the Big 4);
1. Hockey players, Marathon level endurance, incredible eye hand coordination, lighting quick reflexes, strength and speed of an NFL D-back, with the ability to skate backwards as fast as most people can run forwards, and the ability to take and give out hits equal to those in any other sport.
2. Football/ Basketball, and I hate basketball. but both sports are so specialized that a player need not have the stamina and or the all around athleticism of a hockey player.
4. Baseball, way too easy for someone unathletic with certain great skills to be part of a team. Many players can hit but need to be hidden in the field, can pitch but can't hit or run, can field but are a liability in the batters box. Thatís why the "5" tool players are so coveted.
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