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Punkinhed
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Since: 23.1.02

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#1 Posted on


I'm not really sure where to put this; it's a wrestling question and yet...not. Or perhaps it's late and I'm tired.

Anyway, the question is this: Occasionally I'll hear Good Ol' JR say something along the lines of: "They're the greatest athletes in the world!", in regards to the wrestlers. Do you feel this is at all accurate? If not, why not? Who is better? What makes wrestlers better/worse than other athletes? I'm not saying yeah or nay right off the bat, as this requires some thinking (and it's late and I'm tired). Anyway, I'm interested to hear your thoughts.




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#2 Posted on
I have never heard JR say that. He says the opposite, they all do, about how wrestlers are the greatest athletes ever. Gorilla Monsoon used to say Hogan was: "The Greatest Professional Athlete in the World today." A stretch. But he WAS Hogan.

Anyway, I think wrestlers are as good if not better than most other professionals. A baseball player or a hockey player gets paid better and doesn't even have to be relevant. As long as they're okay, they stay on. Why are 90 percent of baseball's stadiums half empty? These guys don't have to put asses in seats to make ten million dollars over three years? That's bullshit, to me. Add to that the wrestler's complete lack of an off-season and I'd have to say they're as good or better. Plus, pain in wrestling is an eventuality, not a possibility as in other sports. Anyway, it's time for Canadian Thanksgiving dinner (a day early).



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Since: 11.9.02
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#3 Posted on
Why are 90 percent of baseball's stadiums half empty? These guys don't have to put asses in seats to make ten million dollars over three years? That's bullshit, to me.

Not to mention that they bitch and whine that their $10 million just isn't enough...wahhhhh...let's threaten another strike.

Poor babies...I should have such problems. (sigh)




Wendy (Rvrkings44)
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#4 Posted on
I would think that Pro Hockey players are the best ATHELETES of the bunch. Wrestlers are in very good condition usually, and do undergo a lot of punishment.

And, Baseball players can make 10 Million a year with a half mpty crowd because of the TV contract. If WWE had the multi million dollar contracts that the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL had, they would be paid much better as well.
Quezzy
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#5 Posted on
Hockey players?? I admittedly don't know much about hockey players, but I don't see what they have to do that is athletic.

Out of the people I do know (wrestlers, baseball, football, and basketball players) i'd say that the average wrestler probably is most athletic, even the ones that are pretty huge (like Rikishi, Lesnar, Test) have to do things like be able to jump and do flips. And even guys who suck wrestling-wise like Billy Gunn and X-Pac are pretty good atheletes.

I would say second is basketball players, guys like Kobe, Kevin Garnett, Vince Carter etc. are the most athletic guys of the big 3 sports.

Next I would say football, mostly at the offensive and defensive back positions.

And then lastly baseball, which has some guys who are great athletes (A-Rod, Vlad Guerrero, Andruw Jones) but so many other guys who aren't.



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StaggerLee
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Since: 3.10.02
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#6 Posted on
ANything that Kobe, Garnett or Carter can do on a basketball court, Jagr, Bure or Fluery can do, and do it on skates.

The fact that they skate and have to keep balance while getting slashed, whacked, pushed, or run into boards, should show why they are better athelets. Go to a game one night and just watch the footwork along the boards when they are trying to dig a puck out. Far more intricate than any NBAers cross over.
DarrylTheHitman
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Since: 21.9.02
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#7 Posted on
On the hockey note--don't forget they have to negotiate all sorts of different ice surfaces. The ice in Edmonton and Calgary is smooth and makes it a lot easier to skate fast. In arenas like MSG, or Staples Center, etc, the ice gets taken in and out so much, it never has time to set and is therefore chippy and has ruts in it as well as bumps. In the NBA, I assume all the floors are the same quality/level of consistency. If it doesn't sound like a big deal, it can be--imagine skating at top speed with the puck, dodging checks and deking defensemen, only to catch your skate in a rut and twist your knee, pull your groin, roll your ankle, or (in the worst-case scenario) get checked while your skate is stuck in a rut and having it twist beneath you, breaking your leg. Holy crap, that was a run-on. Anyway, I'd say hockey players are definitely better athletes than basketballers but I'm biased (I'm Canadian, eh?). I wouldn't disagree that wrestlers are great athletes but I'd say gymnasts or track-and-fielders might be better athletes. Ok, stream-of-(un)consciousness rant over...NOW.



Rvrkings44
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Since: 11.9.02
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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I would think that Pro Hockey players are the best ATHLETES of the bunch.


I agree, Stagger...but don't forget the NHL's real workhorses...the on-ice officials. Those guys get to skate up and down the ice the entire game, no breaks (well, not many...we don't have tv time outs in the CHL). And the linesmen get the added fun of breaking up the fights.



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#9 Posted on
Well, actually wrestlers probably are the most athletic, but they also suffer the most performance-hindering injuries, many of which would be "career-enders" in football etc.
StaggerLee
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkdragoon
    Well, actually wrestlers probably are the most athletic, but they also suffer the most performance-hindering injuries, many of which would be "career-enders" in football etc.


If that is the case, wouldnt that make the argument that football is more physically demanding, since they are unable to continue thier careers, while wrestlers can?
darkdragoon
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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee

      Originally posted by darkdragoon
      Well, actually wrestlers probably are the most athletic, but they also suffer the most performance-hindering injuries, many of which would be "career-enders" in football etc.


    If that is the case, wouldnt that make the argument that football is more physically demanding, since they are unable to continue thier careers, while wrestlers can?



Considering quite a few guys too injured for football later had wrestling careers I'd say no.
DirtyMikeSeaver
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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    ANything that Kobe, Garnett or Carter can do on a basketball court, Jagr, Bure or Fluery can do, and do it on skates.

    The fact that they skate and have to keep balance while getting slashed, whacked, pushed, or run into boards, should show why they are better athelets. Go to a game one night and just watch the footwork along the boards when they are trying to dig a puck out. Far more intricate than any NBAers cross over.




You can't compare different sports when it comes to atheletics. Kobe Bryant couldn't play hockey, but Bure can't play basketball. Just as Jordan proved when he went to play baseball, just cause you dominate one sport, doesn't mean that you can walk into another sport and play it. I mean, does anyone think that Wayne Gretzky could start at point guard? Or QB the Eagles? All the sports require different skills and to say that a hockey player is a better athelete than a basketball player is something that really couldn't be proven unless you got a whole bunch of them and had them compete in some neutral competition measuring all their skills, like a decathelon or something. Plus it's a blanket statement. I can accept the arguement that Gretzky is a better athelete than Jordan, but I can't accept that Shanahan or Lindros are.

(edited by DirtyMikeSeaver on 14.10.02 1652)


By the way, Storm's gimmick includes 1.) telling the audience to shut up, and 2.) occasionally making everyone stand for the Canadian national anthem. You know they don't know what to do with a wrestler when he's making fans stand for a national anthem. It's like waving a white flag and saying, "This guy has no personality -- we give up."

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StaggerLee
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#13 Posted on
SHanahan is a better althelete than Gretzky. Just because wayne scored more, doesnt make him a better athelete.

I other than actaully shooting a basket, the athleticism in basketball is a lot like hockey. footwork, balance, speed, etc. To assume that hockey players cant play basketball is rediculous. Most of the better players these days are European, and most of the newer basketball players that are really skilled, are European as well.

THey both are much more athletic than football players. Baseball takes a lot of technique but not neccesarily atheltic ability.
Dahak
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#14 Posted on
In response to Jordan's horrid baseball career. I am by no mean a Jordan fan.
But Jordan no matter how fast or athletic never would have made more than a mediocre baseball player. First he was old to be a rookie.
Second he was tall. Baseballs players are fairly short by professional athlete standards. Trust me I am 6'6" the same heigth as Jordan and I struck out a lot in HS baseball. I hit a lot of homers but my average sucked.
Third why would Jordan really put the effort into it? He was rich and knew he could go back and make a shitload of money whenever he wanted. He didn't have to worry about playing in Costa Rica in Nov if he didn't make the "show". He wasn't living his dream like the 19 year olds. Or trying to make it like the 40 year olds. He was indulging a fantasy.



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#15 Posted on
Derek Sanderson, former NHL Player said recently about what makes hockey do much more demanding than other sports: "It's a difficult game. It's played on three inches off of frozen water, while balancing on a sixteenth of an inch of steel, with a bouncing puck, no out of bounds and someone always looking to hurt you. There are no set plays. Hockey is a game of ad lib and creativity inside the confines of organized chaos."
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#16 Posted on
There are no set plays.

He must not of heard about The Flying V.



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Hockey players?? I admittedly don't know much about hockey players, but I don't see what they have to do that is athletic.


Hockey fans can't be reasoned with; don't try. To them hockey is the greatest sport ever, nothing comes close, no other athletes measure up, and you're an idiot if you don't watch. They're a lot like transplanted European soccer fans in America.

I agree with Dirty Mike. You can't really compare different sports since the skill sets required for each are vastly different. Every sport has great athletes involved and every one has non-athletic skilled guys. But I'll go out on a limb and say Roy Jones is the best athlete in the world today. Boxing is the most demanding sport stamina- and toughness-wise. He's also strong, extremely quick, and has incredible reflexes. And he plays semi-pro basketball between fights.

As much as I hate him, I have to admit the Rock is a world class athlete, too. He's a huge guy with strength, speed, a certain amount of toughness, and great stamina. He's a colossal pussy when it comes to taking a back suplex and he does the most pitiful blade jobs in the business, but he's a terrific athlete.

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#18 Posted on
The Rock, a terrific athelete? Since when is being cut from a Canadian Taxi Squad/Practice team considered being a GREAT ATHLETIC ACHIEVEMENT?

And, if you think that Roy Jones Junior is great because he is a great boxer, well, thats ALL he is, a great boxer. But, if he was a GREAT all around athelete, wouldnt he be doing better than Semi Pro Basketball?

Best conditioned athelets are probably track and field.
Most physical ability is probably HOckey.
Next is Basketball, followed buy Baseball and football.
But, that is just my opinion.
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#19 Posted on
I see Mixed Martial Arts isn't being mentioned.

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#20 Posted on
The greatest athletes are top level amateur wrestlers and MMA fighters, IMO. They're in the best physical condition, have to be able to react on instincts and be incredibly tough. A buddy of mine was a great amateur wrestler in high school, went to University and I saw some of the stuff they do to train. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy and that was just at the low level.

Out of the big sports like football, baseball, basketball and hockey. I'd go with hockey players as the best athletes.

In baseball, you can get by being a marginal athlete if you're a DH or a pitcher, even a first baseman. Look at David Wells or John Kruk for example. Its more of a skill thing.

In basketball, they're good athletes and very skillfull but not very tough. Plus if you're big you can get by for a long time.

In football, they've got a pretty demanding schedule but if you're big, fat and hold guys real well you can play.

Hockey doesn't really have a position like that except the old enforcer position which is really dieing out as most of them have gotta be good players now.

Wrestlers are probably the toughest athletes but as a whole, they're not the best. See all the steroid monsters or fat guys or broken down guys. Although I'd put Ric Flair in the 80's up against any athlete. Working over 300 matches a year, all over the country and many being broadways or 30+ minutes long.
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