By now everyone has seen the adult wrestling fan breakdown and cry.
So here is a question for everyone.
When did you realize that wrestling was a work?
For me it was in May of 1987 when Jim Duggan and Iron Sheik were feuding yet were arrested driving in the same car smoking weed.
Big Show: Why is he getting the Intercontinental Title shot and not me? RVD: Ahhh...maybe 'cause you're a tool. Big Show: Look. I am 7'2". I am 500 pounds. I'm a giant. RVD: Oh ok. You're a giant tool.
Probably the John Stossel 20/20 expose. He showed footage of the Brisco Brothers missing punches, and "Dr. D" David Schultz popped his eardrum for asking if it was real. That was, what, 1984? I would have been 11.
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When Hulk Hogan won just a little too many times. Paul Orndorff couldn't beat him? Randy Savage couldn't beat him? Please. I could understand Andre, since Hogan DID bodyslam him and all, but no way could anyone kick out of the elbowdrop. No sir.
Of course, wrestling re-legitmized itself the next year when Warrior beat Hogan. Took a few more years (decades) after that.
I was young, it was some show on TV 48 hours or maybe that John Stossel thing. I remember them showing Sting hurting his leg climbing the cage during the show. I was very very upset when I found out bc I was at the time a very die hard Hulkamaniac
- That report may not have done it though bc after reading the above post I remember being very mad and hurt that Hulk had lost to the Ultimate Warrior.
(edited by JWstorm on 22.12.05 0844) Here more than I'd like to admit
I was 10 and it was both my best and worst wrestling experience of my life. Best because Andre picked me up and took a picture with me and worst because he showed up in a car with Jim Duggan, who he was wrestling that night.
I think it was 1986, 1987. The Hart Foundation was the tag-team champions, and they were facing the team of Kamala and Sika at the Capital Centre in Landover, MD. No WAY they would beat those two monsters!! Except .......
It was the day after the 20/20 piece. I didn't see the report, but the next day at school, our teacher had a fill-in-the-blank / hangman deal on the blackboard...the phrase was "professional wrestling is fake."
I clearly remember though that Macho Man's WMIV tournament win 4 years later was reported on the news and in the papers.
But it was definitely after my teacher also brought it up in class after the Stossel report. She was emphatic that it was fake, and that I NEEDED to know that. After that, I examined the punches as closely as possible, and that was that.
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I'd just gotten into it in 1991, so I missed the creamy Dr. D/John Stossel goodness. But my father told me. At first, I had the traditional disbelief, but then it sank in pretty quickly.
I believed for a long time, and figuring out it was fake was a long process for me.
I think it started when I watched a WM at someobdy's house and the babyface beat the odds to win something (Hogan? Macho?), and when the ref raised his hand they set off fireworks in the ring behind them and I thought, "What if the badguy had won? What a waste of fireworks that would have been...... OMG THEY MUST'VE KNOWN THE GOOD GUY WAS GONNA WIN TONIGHT!!!"
I thought John Stossel was pretty cool when I was younger (11-16), but now I think hes a jerk, and not just for the Dr. D thing.
I think it started to sink in week after week of seeing the opening to the WWF superstars and Wrestling Challange shows "these are highly trained professional athletes" warning at the begining of the show.
I just remembered that im absent minded wait i mean i lost my mind, i cant find it.
I'm probably a little backward. I knew it was fake from the very first match I saw way back when Andre beat Hogan for the title (I was 9 at the time). It wasn't until the '92 Royal Rumble when Flair lasted an hour in the Rumble that I could see it as anything but fake.
My story's pretty much the same as flairforthegold13's, except no one in my family was ever a wrestler. I just started watching a decade or so after being told that it was fake. My dad was flipping around the channels and we saw a couple guys wrestling. I asked what that was, and he said that it's fake fighting. That none of it's real, that they just pretend to punch each other. He then said "It's nothing you'd ever be interested in" and changed the channel. Of course, it's one of my earliest memories.
I started watching in 1992 or so (when Flair was WWF Champ), and at that time I had just grown up with knowing it was all fake. It would be like not hearing about the "Magic of Santa Claus" until you're 16 or so, and then asked if you think it's true.
The backstage stuff shocked the hell out of me too. I've always found it funny/absurd that while fans can see someone win a match they shouldn't based on "real life physics and stuff", they can brush it off by saying "oh well, it's scripted, it's not like it means the one guy is *actually* better than the other". Yet the wrestlers themselves, who have lived with it being "fake" more than anyone are the ones that have the hardest time accepting that it's scripted and that their skills aren't what determines the winners.
I don't remember exactly how old I was, but I always used to say that even though it was "fake, the better guy ended up winning." I also used to say that NWA/World Class was "real" and WWF was "fake".
THEN, when I was 15 or so, I saw the PWI Lords of the Ring on VHS, and they showed the ending of the match from Japan where Ric Flair got his World Title back from Kerry Von Erich. Now, Kerry winning the NWA title at the David Von Erich Memorial-thingy (with a backslide) was one of the greatest things I'd seen as a wrestling fan (I think that was in '84, which would've made me 11), but in the rematch Kerry goes for a reverse roll-up, and you can CLEARLY see him pull Flair over as he rolls back for the reversal, that gave Flair the pin.
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I was pretty small, I think 7 or 8, and I noticed there was an ad for a show in Hartford on Saturday, and New Haven on Sunday, both featuring Pedro Morales in WWF title match, but against different opponents. I wondered what would have happened if the champ had lost on Saturday? Then, it dawned on me...
I remember actually asking my Dad, "Is wrestling real?"
His response - "Yes, it is real...real fun to watch"
The funny part was me trying to convince my older brothers and especially some of their friends it was fake. I finally got them to admit that SOME of the comedy stuff had to be fake, but once you got to the world heavyweight title, or tag team titles, it was ALL REAL.
The more I've thought about this over the years, the more I appreciate my Dad's response.
I started watching during the summer after WrestleMania 2, when I saw Orndorff turn against Hogan in the tag match against Studd and Bundy. I would have been just about to turn 10. From there, I got about a month to believe everything before my dad told me that wrestling was fake. I don't remember why he told me - I think I was acting too excited and hyper about something I'd seen on WWF Superstars earlier in the day.
I ran to tell me friends the shocking news, and it turned out that they already knew. "Except for the Road Warriors," said one friend. "Those guys beat people up for REAL."
Rene Dupre--used to wrestle for Matrats, I think Jason Sugarman--I know he did some work in Dusty's Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling. Race Steele--wrestled in Heartland Wrestling. Matt Stryker--also in Heartland. Lex Lovett--Florida indie guy.