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Since: 9.1.02
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The WWF takes a lot of bashing these days and Im really not sure why. Is anyone happy with the WWF product? I mean all we do all day is bash the fed for everything they do. Is there anything that would make the smarks happy?

Nobody liked the pre attitude years. Too gimmicky, too much like a cartoon. Nobody like Hogan wielding all the power.

Nobody liked the 98-99 attitude era. Too much Russo crash TV. Too much T & A . Too many high spot oriented matches. Psychology was dead. Too many 20 minute interviews on TV.

Nobody liked 2000. Too much Stephanie (this I dont argue with) . HHH walked the locker room like a god. Benoit and Jericho were buried. No Austin for most of the year. No blowoff to the love triangle.

Nobody liked 2001. WCW and ECW died. Invasion angle tanked. Nobody liked the Stone cold heel turn. Benoit and Jericho are elevated. HHH gets hurt. No Rock for the whole summer. Vince dint bring in Goldberg. No real WCW talent.Flair is old. Vince has a big ego. Ratings are down. Jericho is unworth of titles.

Now, nobody likes 2002. Hogan is old. The locker room is in turmoil. I could go on but I think you guys see my point.


When was everyone happy? Somebody tell me because Im curious. Other than the fact I think Stephanie should disappear from TV forever Im pretty satisfied with what I see. I mean there are some things I wish they could change, but I refuse to get all twisted about it. Its not worth it.
Anyway Ill say it again.... When was the last time the everyone was happy with the WWF?




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.09
I can't remember the last time I WASN'T happy with the product. That is, afterall, the reason I watch. I like it.

Most people don't WANT to be happy. Anger comes naturally, and is much easier expressed than pleasure. So people are more ikely to whine like two year olds who need a diaper change than complement the show.



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Since: 9.2.02
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#3 Posted on
As the old saying goes ...
You can please some of the people some of the time , but you can't please all of the people all of the time .



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Since: 21.1.02
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#4 Posted on
And you can't please smarks at all most of the time.

There's a lot of people on the net with a rather seriously overblown sense of importance. It's damn hard to find objective commentary when the "in" thing is to bash everything one even remotely doesn't like, without even mentioning the good shit at all.

This is just about the only message board I've seen on the internet without a huge population of such people. While I do enjoy picking on them, and generally making them more miserable than they appear, it's also pretty damn nice to talk with a bunch of people who actually appear to enjoy the product.



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Since: 10.2.02
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#5 Posted on
I think the WWF is doing a great job right now. I even enjoyed the Alliance invasion angle.



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#6 Posted on
I'm not terribly happy with the WWF writing right now...but not enough to hate it. And I was sure I would hate it as soon as the NWO hit the scene. But I'm still watching.

Last time I was happy? Wrestlemania 2001. It was like they went from the greatest show ever to what I consider a writing rut. Sure we've seen some good matches and some fun moments (I can still hear Heyman say "The Walls of DOINK"!, which was BEFORE WM I know) but there seems to be a lot of blah in between.
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I liked the Attitude years pretty well. I started getting unhappy with the WWF product last year. I think they've been phoning it in since they eliminated WCW. I quit watching for quite a while in 2001, and just read the recaps. I want to see where they go right now, but if they screw it up I'll quit watching again and just go back to collecting tapes from years gone by.

What I'd really like to see happen is for a viable competing promotion to show up, or something else for Vince to thin out the roster. There's not enough room for all the people he has right now. And I would like to see some kind of change in the upper card, but I recognize that takes time.

I feel like I'm being pretty generous, given my past dislike toward anything involving Hogan.



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#8 Posted on
I know I'm really never totally happy with the product, nor am I totally hating the product. Lately I've been less interested, but even lately there are things I love to watch. While the Invasion angle dove into the crapper, the Jericho/Rock angle was amazing to watch and made every show for me.

In general though there are points that I really am not all that into the product, and lately that had been the case. I admit though last night did hook me hard, and I'm interested in what comes next. So I guess I could say I was happy 24 hours ago. Doesn't mean I like HHH any more or less, and I still don't like the Undertaker at all, but I'm looking forward to watching the next WWF show.



There, I feel better now.
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Since: 12.1.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
I'm actually quite happy with it myself-- I'm interested to see where this nWo angle is eventually going to go. I'm likewise interested in how long Scott Hall's going to last this time before he gets tired of working so much (once every three days on average, according to his 10-date-a-month contract).

Right now I think the whole nWo thing is based on a “What could happen next?” idea. As long as they don't totally put over the nWo (or totally bury them), the angle should continue to be fresh and interesting.

As far as the others... kinda blah. Although I like the developing feud between Ric Flair and The Undertaker. It also appears that RVD will be challenging Regal for the I-C Title, while Edge battles Goldust? Works for me, I'd rather see RVD with a singles belt than Edge, anyway. Bring back E&C! LOL...



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I think I'll buy into almost anything the WWF puts out if there's A) a reason for it and B) there's not too much extraneous crap attached. For example, I can buy any feud based on "I want that championship" or "I hate you" but tend to baulk at anything that involves a cell phone when I can hear both ends of the conversation, if you see what I mean. The WWF always seems to have some of both the sports and the entertainment type sections, and as a rule I'm more happy when it's more sports orientated. Having said that though, I'm not totally anti-sports entertainment either, this nWo ride is fun as hell and I would never eliminate that side to the product. I was really happy with the product a couple of weeks back but have been so-so since then. Hopefully with Wrestlemania coming up (usually the highlight of the year) things will get going again, it sure sounds like things are heating up anyway.



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#11 Posted on
What the hey, I'm awake.

I don't particularly hate the WWF right now. I honestly am not particularly interested. I spent most of the rambling diatribe in one or other of these threads essentially trying to figure out why. Having an overinflated sense of self-importance and all, I decided to structure my thoughts in paragraph form and post it. I saw a few replies took it as Smarky bashing by another whiny pseudointellectual spewing his pessimistic ponce. Eh, probably was.

Last time I was happy was when Rock and Jericho were all like "Hey, I don't like you." "FINE. I don't like you, assface." *Punching* Before that, it was Austin/Angle and 2001 Heel Austin in general. I like simple stuff about hating some guy or wanting to be better than everyone, and I want it to end with a good match. The last angle I liked that didn't revolve around some kind of World Championship is maybe Edge and Christian's breakup.

Generally anything is gonna piss somebody off. There's some crazy literature guy out there who thinks Crime and Punishment is crap. If you put enough of these people together, it sounds like there's an element that's always unhappy, even if the composition of the element isn't always the same.

I just don't really care about the NWO. Or anyone named McMahon. Personal preference.

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Since: 15.1.02
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#12 Posted on
I like the WWF right now. Since I have been wrestling fan since I was 5, I marked out like a little girl when Rock and Hogan were in the ring. JR had it right, it was Wrestling Past meets Wrestling Furute, and something I never thought I would see.

Above it all though, I love wrestling. I watched wrestling in the down years, I've watched it in the up years. Since I love the business I will continue to watch. Even if the product isn't the best I am loyal because it will get better eventually.

Its kinda like your favorite sports team. You watch them, buy the jerseys, buy the hats, follow their every move and draft pick. Your team will have good years and they will have bad years. But do you not watch a game or abandon the sport because they suck? Not me. I love the Cincinnati Reds and they are awful. But I still try to watch every game I can because they are my team and I am a fan who loves baseball.

This day and age it seems there is a bandwagon everywhere. Call me old school but I was taught to be loyal, and I will be loyal.

But thats just me.



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Since: 25.1.02
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#13 Posted on
1997.
No seriously, there's a lot of bitching now cos it's the only product, and fans see so much potentially good stuff. They just want to see all of what they think is good stuff, and that differs sometimes from what others think is good stuff. I for one like the nWo angle and the Rocky beatdown of doom, but others hate it. About the only thing that seems consistent is that everyone hates Steph.




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Since: 2.1.02
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#14 Posted on
Ffej makes some good points, but there is another side to the equation. There comes a point when it's obvious management of a sports team doesn't care about the product they put on the floor for you. I give you exhibit A - Jerry's Krause and Reinsdorf, GM and Owner respectively of the Chicago Bulls. I watched the Bulls through some awful years. I sat through Orlando Woolridge, Dave Corzine, Brad Sellers, and many other awful players. I watched Michael Jordan for years playing all by himself basically. But at no point did the organization make you believe they didn't care. Nowadays, if you live in Chicago, you know all the Bulls owners want to do is put a cheap team on the floor, and hope that people keep the skyboxes which fill their pockets. And after a while the same thing sometimes happens with wrestling. It seemed to happen with the WWF in the early/mid 90's. It happened in the last year or 2 of WCW. It happened at the end of AWA, USWA, and seemed to be happening a bit at the end of ECW. Sometimes you just find yourself unable to take anymore, and have to leave for a while. If you're lucky, it's like the WWF, who come roaring back and make you believe in them again. But if you're WCW, or the Montreal Expos, sometimes you just can't keep giving and not receiving in return.



There, I feel better now.
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Since: 3.1.02
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
This honestly marks the first time I've ever been unhappy with the WWF.

I've been a fan since Wrestlemania 4 in some form or another. The last time I can totally remember being "excited" about the product was Wrestlemania 2001. Prior to that, I would literally mark out for the smallest things on Smackdown! -- Rock slapping the sharpshooter on his opponent before the PPV, the Bubba Ray Dudley saying "D-Von...GET THE TABLE!", Jeff Hardy's Swanton or Edge and Christian's antics. Life was good. I loved the show because it was fun.

Since then, my interest declined to the point where I quit watching it altogether during the InVasion. I've watched sporadically since Triple H's return -- I watched the entire episode of Smackdown where Vince talked to the mirror, for example. But I no longer make an effort to see or tape Smackdown (I don't have cable, so no RAW at all). I simply read the spoilers and the recaps online. Once in awhile, I'll even just watch Metal of Jakkkkkkked and catch the Cliff Notes recaps they put on there for the week.

Although Monday night's angle with the Rock sounded very promising, I think it'll probably be post-Wrestlemania, when the big new angles for the coming booking year are unveiled before I start watching regularly again.



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Since: 10.1.02
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I've never been unhappy enough to not watch the product. Never even close really. The invasion was boring at times, but Austin was gold as a heel, and everything would have went smoother if HHH and Benoit didn't get hurt while Rock was making a movie. I really don't think the WWF has changed since WCW went off the air. It's just that WCW was really, really bad at times, and that made the WWF look even better than it was. Now that WCW is gone, and there is no high level competition to bash, people bash the WWF. If WCW were still around, putting on crap t.v., in front of empty arenas, I bet the overall perception of the WWF would be higher than it is now.



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Since: 15.1.02
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#17 Posted on
If I were a Bulls or Expos fan I would abandon ship too! :-)

Good point spf2119. But I the WWF has never been so bad I won't watch. I love this sport, so I still watch. Thats the bottome line.




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#18 Posted on
I bought No Way Out 2001 yesterday from Blockbuster and proceeded to watch Chris Benoit vs. Eddy Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho vs. X-Pac for the Interesting Title for the first time. Everyone had an issue with Jericho since he hurt Pac and Eddy and won Benoit's belt. Eddy and Benoit turned on one another and went to town. Eddy did that cool thing where he stands on his opponent's face (here, Benoit) and spins the sole of his boot to make them uglier (not an easy thing with Benoit). Benoit suplexed Eddy (it almost sounds like a cliche when reading this on the internet now, but...) right on top of his head. X-Pac didn't do too much but he did get in his nice kicks. Justin Credible bumped on a run-in and he and Pac did the double-superkick on Benoit. Everyone pulled off their finishers. In fact, Jericho pulled his off on everyone, one after the other.

I was happy.



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Since: 19.2.02
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#19 Posted on
Hmm.

Way things have been going lately, this is a tough one. Let's see...flashes of happy, how about that?

1)Austin throwing beer cans at Angle on RAW Monday night. My boyfriend has a saying that, politically incorrect as it is, came to mind and made me laugh all the harder. "Throwing beer cans at the town retard" is his expression.

So watching Austin lob (& waste)a couple of cold ones at Angle,I had a flash of happy.

2)The whole Hogan/Rock confrontation....2nd flash of happy.

Aside from that? Anytime we get to hear Bradshaw cut a promo...the absence of "Team Extreme"...Tazz & Spike getting the tag belts.

Uh, when was the last time I saw Raven or Tommy Dreamer? Oh yeah....that shot of the Alliance locker room at the end of "Survivor Series", yeah, that was it. Yeah, when I got to see either of them on WWF TV I was happy.

But now, WM18, that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
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#20 Posted on
Before I discovered smarks :p

Seriously, though. I am happy right now. Darn it I'll even admit that I like Hogan right now. I haven't liked him since my younger brother and I wound up on opposite sides of the Hogan/Warrior debate.

But look at things now...

-RVD is in the WWF
-The Hardyz are back and still accompanied by the sexiest woman in the fed
-Jericho is on top of the world
-The Rock is off my TV (no problem with him in the ring, but finally somebody shut him up!)
-The nWo is back (I missed them the first time)

All we need now is bring Foley back (I don't care in what capacity... hell I think he'd make a good color commentator, better than Lawler, anyway) and convince Sting to sign and this will be the greatest year in wrestling history (IMO)



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