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I was thinking of plugging my Zoom H2 wav/mp3 recorder into my audio out via 1/8" mini-plug. Is there a better, more efficient way?



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The Zoom H2 has a USB connection. You should be able to plug the Zoom into your computer using that USB connection, and copy your recordings from the Zoom as though it was an external hard drive.


Edit: According to this link:

Please note: The Zoom H2 will not mount as a USB Drive on MAC OS X 10.5.0 Leopard unless you update to H2 Firmware version 1.2 or higher.

(edited by Leroy on 14.11.09 1648)

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That's a perfectly reasonable solution for what you're trying to do and one that's in all likelihood Just Going to Work(tm). Of course, you're limited by the size of your player, it's recording capabilities (bitrate, etc.) and battery life, because it's just going to re-encode whatever it is fed.

You might check out VLC Media Player here. It allows you to record streams and listen to them at the same time. Instructions on doing exactly that can be found here

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    Originally posted by tarnish

    That's a perfectly reasonable solution for what you're trying to do and one that's in all likelihood Just Going to Work(tm). Of course, you're limited by the size of your player, it's recording capabilities (bitrate, etc.) and battery life, because it's just going to re-encode whatever it is fed.


The whole purpose of these kinds of flash recording devices is to *NOT* have to re-record your recordings in real time. You're introducing yet another generation of analog loss (granted, probably unoticeable) and spending a huge amount of time re-recording audio that you should be able to transfer as an already encoded file(s) (over USB 2.0, I might add - which should copy in a matter of minutes).

These units *should* work like digital cameras - plug them into your USB port and drag-and-drop.





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Audacity has always worked well for me.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/



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    Originally posted by Leroy

    The whole purpose of these kinds of flash recording devices is to *NOT* have to re-record your recordings in real time.


Um. I actually think the ideal use of a device called the "Zoom H2 Handy Recorder" is going to be...recording. Most probably in real-time. YMMV.


    You're introducing yet another generation of analog loss (granted, probably unoticeable) and spending a huge amount of time re-recording audio that you should be able to transfer as an already encoded file(s) (over USB 2.0, I might add - which should copy in a matter of minutes).


It records WAV. WAV is "lossless". Ergo there's no additional generation of analog loss (unless you use the MP3 feature, of course). It also does the recording in real-time.

The limiting factor here seems to be that the content is a stream. I would imagine if it were possible to download the file containing the content directly, the original poster would just do that and wouldn't have posted a question about how to record a stream.



    These units *should* work like digital cameras - plug them into your USB port and drag-and-drop.



They do. What they don't appear to support is a lot of codecs for playback. So unless the stream in question is itself MP3 or WAV, it won't be played back on the Zoom H2.

Further, there's no sign from the original post that the Zoom H2 is the desired playback device; it was posited as a recording device to record a stream. This implies the original poster didn't know of another way to record or otherwise acquire the content contained in the stream.

Some streams have DRM. The Zoom H2 plugged into audio-out won't care. Audio software not specifically designed to deal with DRM will care.

I stand by my comment that using a spiffy device like the Handy Zoom H2 is probably a very straightforward and foolproof way to do what was asked in the original post.

Also, thanks to NickBockwinkelFan for pointing out the Zoom H2 to me. I have no real use for it, but now that I know it exists I kinda want one.
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    Originally posted by tarnish
    Further, there's no sign from the original post that the Zoom H2 is the desired playback device; it was posited as a recording device to record a stream.


Oops, I didn't read the entire thread title, just the post itself. Man, I'm batting 1.00 this weekend.

If he's on a Mac, I recommend Audio Hijack. It's $32, but it's pretty handy.

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    Originally posted by Leroy

    Analog loss is the noise introduced when you by the recoding equipment itself. Like a copy machine, the more times you make a copy of a copy, the worse off it looks. It's the same for audio. If you have a .WAV file, and you record it using the 1/8th inch jack of your computer, you are, by definition, going to have analog loss.



Granted. But anything coming out of a computer is almost guaranteed to have already undergone at least one Digital-to-Analog conversion. It's probably also undergone some kind of lossy compression. So jacking the H2 into the 1/8 jack on the sound card is going to be comparatively less lossy than, say, holding the H2 up to a speaker. Also, it has the advantages of not requiring any additional software and being really straightforward.

And yes, the H2 is going to turn around and do another Analog-to-Digital conversion, which is going to introduce more loss of quality, regardless of how input is fed to the H2 and even if WAV is the target format.



    I don't know where your getting DRM or "streams" with regards to the Zoom H2. The only reason to re-record the audio via the H2's analog output is if, for some software/OS reason, it isn't being recognized. Again, that defeats the whole purpose of using a device like this.



The topic of this thread is, "What's the best way to record streaming audio on computer?"

From that topic and the mention of the use of H2 I took the following leaps of faith:

- That NickBockwinkelFan is not a tool and is quite capable of locating a file on the computer and copying it around.

- That NickBockwinkelFan, owning an H2, probably has some knowledge of audio and/or audio quality and is understanding that he's using the H2 is going to cost him some audio quality.

- That the mention of "streaming" in the topic indicated that the target source is not simply a file on the computer, or that NickBockwinkel fan lacks sufficient access to the computer to copy a file off of it.

I then suggested that the H2 is a perfectly reasonable way of doing what is desired, which I interpreted to be the recording the audio output of the computer when the input is a streaming source.

I then also indicated that a program like VLC Media Player may well be able to output the stream to a file, which very well might be preferable, for reasons you have already mentioned.

I then noted in my next post that there may be reasons that even VLC Media Player may not be able to record the stream and that DRM on the stream might be one of those reasons. Given that DRM is a tool for deterring copyright violations and given the position of the owners of this board on copyright evasion, I did not proceed to enumerate any other options.
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Whenever I want to record an audio clip and I don't have access to the actual file that it comes from, I've had success using SoundCapture (download.cnet.com).

Mostly, I've used it to snag the audio out of a youtube video or similar stuff, but it just records whatever goes to your soundcard. Of course, that means it captures system sounds as well, but I've never recorded for a long period of time so it hasn't been an issue for me. It's up to you whether it fits your needs or not.



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