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I was watching the Sunday Night game on ESPN last night and the subject of Manny's suspension came up. The question was whether or not the suspended player should be allowed to play in minor league games or simulated games in preparation of coming off of the suspension. This is an interesting point. I'm sure there is some collective bargaining details that I'm not aware of, but it seems like if a player is suspended from baseball, then he is absolutely suspended and should be not allowed to partake in his team's minor league affiliates or anything associated with his team, workouts, etc.

The other side of the argument is that the player will be out of baseball shape and will require some rehab starts after his suspension is served in order to be ready to play again at the major league level. If he is not allowed to rehab, that would essentially mean the 50 game ban turns into a 60 day ban.

My opinion is that if a player breaks the rules and is suspended, no activity with the team, at the major or minor league level, is allowed. I think it would do a favor to the player and the team to be able to resume activities before the suspension is served and since the player broke the rules, neither the player or the team is due any exceptions or breaks. I think it would unfairly benefit the team if the player is allowed to come back a higher level if he is allowed to rehab.

Just wondering what others think of this situation.
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I would argue that the player should be allowed to work out with the team and have access to the trainer or coaches and be in the dressing room, but he should not be allowed to play in the minor leagues or be on the bench during a game.

Just from a practical issue, forcing the player to work out on his own or in a non-team facility exposes him to the kind of people who would assist him in re-offending.

I am not saying that Manny has no blame for this, but forcing a player caught using substances that mask steroids and then sending him to a gym where steroids are being used because you want to deny him access to the team's facilities and trainers as a punishment is a bit like having an alcoholic on probation for a DUI meet his probation officer in a bar.

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I'm trying real hard to switch off my pro-Dodger bias here, but I think the only reason people are bringing this up for debate (especially tools like Joe Morgan) is because it's Manny. It's an existing rule in the books. (An optional one, at that. The player can decline to rehab.) If this were a new rule lobbied for by the Dodgers and enacted after Manny's suspension, then I could see people being justified in their outrage.

You mentioned workouts, too. Players under suspension are allowed to work out with the team during their suspension, as long as they are off the field and out of uniform by the time the gates open. Manny has avoided working out with the team so far, I assume partly due to embarrassment and partly from wanting to avoid distracting the rest of the team.

That said, 10 rehab games is probably too many. 5 is a more acceptable number, especially since he is allowed to work out and take BP during the suspension.



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    Originally posted by djp
    I was watching the Sunday Night game on ESPN last night and the subject of Manny's suspension came up. The question was whether or not the suspended player should be allowed to play in minor league games or simulated games in preparation of coming off of the suspension. This is an interesting point. I'm sure there is some collective bargaining details that I'm not aware of, but it seems like if a player is suspended from baseball, then he is absolutely suspended and should be not allowed to partake in his team's minor league affiliates or anything associated with his team, workouts, etc.

    The other side of the argument is that the player will be out of baseball shape and will require some rehab starts after his suspension is served in order to be ready to play again at the major league level. If he is not allowed to rehab, that would essentially mean the 50 game ban turns into a 60 day ban.


But if rehabbing and participating in minor league games is a part of Major League Baseball like you suggest in the first paragraph then it isn't a 60 day ban because he would be back when he starts playing in the minors. It might mean he wouldn't be on the Major League team for 60 days, but technically he was only suspended for 50 days.

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    Manny has avoided working out with the team so far, I assume partly due to embarrassment and partly from wanting to avoid distracting the rest of the team.


Or more likely, just because he doesn't wanna.



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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I'm trying real hard to switch off my pro-Dodger bias here, but I think the only reason people are bringing this up for debate (especially tools like Joe Morgan) is because it's Manny. It's an existing rule in the books. (An optional one, at that. The player can decline to rehab.) If this were a new rule lobbied for by the Dodgers and enacted after Manny's suspension, then I could see people being justified in their outrage.

    You mentioned workouts, too. Players under suspension are allowed to work out with the team during their suspension, as long as they are off the field and out of uniform by the time the gates open. Manny has avoided working out with the team so far, I assume partly due to embarrassment and partly from wanting to avoid distracting the rest of the team.

    That said, 10 rehab games is probably too many. 5 is a more acceptable number, especially since he is allowed to work out and take BP during the suspension.






Manny might be lobbying for the 10 games because the last time he went on a minor league rehab in 2002, he liked it so much he asked if he could stay. Still wanted his major league salary, but thought that staying in the minors would be more fun.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Manny might be lobbying for the 10 games because the last time he went on a minor league rehab in 2002, he liked it so much he asked if he could stay. Still wanted his major league salary, but thought that staying in the minors would be more fun.
You know, it's stories like this over the years that had me believing that it was only a matter of time before MLB got a positive result on a drug test from Manny Ramirez. I just never thought that it would be for PEDs.



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