The W
Views: 97602067
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Calendar | Color chart | Log in for more!
23.7.14 0909
The W - Current Events & Politics - Whatcha Gonna Do?
This thread has 1 referral leading to it
Register and log in to post!
Pages: 1(1902 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (8 total)
spf
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02
From: The Las Vegas of Canada

Since last post: 11 days
Last activity: 7 days
AIM:  
#1 Posted on
When Dean-a-mania runs wild on you?

I know to some on this board Dean is anathema, however I think even those who disagree with his positions can take some heart from the campaign style and its success thus far (reliance on small donors, very close to the ground campaigning, personal touches in the campaign) as something which could hopefully be applied to campaigns on either side of the fence. So with that in mind, and apologies for the small size of the pics (I couldn't find bigger ones in my couple of minutes at work), the covers of the major news mags this week:





She was worth 800 miles driving to see her play - Brenda Weiler

blogforamerica.com
Promote this thread!
redsoxnation
Scrapple








Since: 24.7.02

Since last post: 387 days
Last activity: 387 days
#2 Posted on
I thought this was going to be about Dean Rasmussen.



Cubs, White Sox and Red Sox fans unite. Its time to overthrow the German Government and re-install our beloved Kaiser. Remember, Kaiser ='s World Series victories.
Grimis
Scrapple








Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1177 days
Last activity: 974 days
#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Dean can certainly be admired for taking nothing and making it into something big. What's equally brilliant on his part is the factt hat almost all of his donors fall under the matching funds limit, so damn near all of that $7.5 million he raised in Q2 got federal matching funds.

His fundraiser and internet strategies are models for futre campaigns...but that doesn't mean much once he faces the quarter-billion dollar Bush campaign.



"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Ben Franklin, 1759
spf
Scrapple








Since: 2.1.02
From: The Las Vegas of Canada

Since last post: 11 days
Last activity: 7 days
AIM:  
#4 Posted on
Had it been about DEAN~! I would have referenced the Big Show theme or Al Wilson somehow, rather than tarnishing him with the Hulkster's brush. And if DEAN~! ran for prez, I would donate the max to his campaign, even though I know it would just go to beer money and indie wrestling.

As for Grimis, if he can make it through the primary, the funding gap will shorten greatly as the Dem donors fall in line behind him. And I really think after a certain point the funding issue becomes irrelevant, as the media coverage is so saturating in a campaign that it's not as if the major party candidates will ever not be constantly in people's faces. If Unemployment is 7% and the death toll in Iraq is 1,000 in October of 2004, I'm not sure a billion dollars in Bush campaign funds would keep this race from being tight.



She was worth 800 miles driving to see her play - Brenda Weiler

blogforamerica.com
Grimis
Scrapple








Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

Since last post: 1177 days
Last activity: 974 days
#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by spf2119
    if he can make it through the primary, the funding gap will shorten greatly as the Dem donors fall in line behind him.

I'm not certain about that only because if this is the McGovernr/Goldwater-esque suicide mission lots of Dems(especially DLC types) think it is, they probably don't want to bankroll it.


    Originally posted by spf2119
    And I really think after a certain point the funding issue becomes irrelevant, as the media coverage is so saturating in a campaign that it's not as if the major party candidates will ever not be constantly in people's faces. If Unemployment is 7% and the death toll in Iraq is 1,000 in October of 2004, I'm not sure a billion dollars in Bush campaign funds would keep this race from being tight.

Agreed on both points.



"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Ben Franklin, 1759
godking
Chourico








Since: 20.10.02
From: Toronto

Since last post: 3813 days
Last activity: 3759 days
#6 Posted on
I'm not certain about that only because if this is the McGovernr/Goldwater-esque suicide mission lots of Dems(especially DLC types) think it is, they probably don't want to bankroll it.

The DLC is rapidly becoming irrelevant, though - a group of people convinced that centrist politics are what got Bill Clinton elected, when Clinton ran a fairly liberal campaign in 1992 and won because of the Perot schism, and won in 1996 because of a good four-year run and an uninspiring opponent in Bob Dole. The Democratic National Council is making more and more overtures to the Dean campaign now as the press drops the "crazy liberal" meme in the face of reality - Dean's political career is really quite centrist except for two issues (gay civil unions and the war in Iraq), and fiscally he's a conservative.

The only thing that can stop Dean from assuming the nomination at this point (because he WILL lock up New Hampshire and Iowa, the way he's going, and from there dominoes tend to fall) will be Dean himself - if this is "peaking early" rather than a "rising tide", things could get problematic. Luckily, Dean's campaign staff seems to have a good idea of how to keep momentum going.
pieman
As young as
he feels








Since: 11.12.01
From: China, Maine

Since last post: 7 days
Last activity: 6 days
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21



    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I thought this was going to be about Dean Rasmussen.


There's another Dean?~



Gabba Gabba Hey!
ges7184
Lap cheong








Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

Since last post: 79 days
Last activity: 2 days
#8 Posted on
    Originally posted by godking
    The Democratic National Council is making more and more overtures to the Dean campaign now as the press drops the "crazy liberal" meme in the face of reality - Dean's political career is really quite centrist except for two issues (gay civil unions and the war in Iraq), and fiscally he's a conservative.


Now that I've spent some time on his website, I can't agree that he is centrist. He seems clearly positioned on the left side of the fence, from universal health care, raising the minimum wage, more educational spending, environmental issues, removing tax cuts. Pretty much everything he had listed as "issues", he took pretty much a stance from the left (as would be expected really). He claims to be fiscally conservative, but that claim seems to be solely based upon balancing the budget in Vermont. I'm not sure if that automatically makes you fiscally conservative, because when the economy is really cooking (and thus tax money pouring into the government coffers), you can pretty much balance the budget almost by accident (which is pretty much what happened in this nation in the 90's). In fact, given how well the economy did over the last 20 years, the fact that surpluses were so rare (especially given that tax cuts were non-existant, at least in my state) pretty much would indicate that money was spent as it came in, without much regard about whether it needed to be spent or not.

But I wouldn't consider him a "crazy" leftist. It's a point of view, valid as any other. There's way to much rhetoric on both sides, trying to position the other side as "whackos". Even Dean calls Bush the most conservative President in history, which is just nuts (despite all the love he gets from so-called conservative, but should be called Republican, radio hosts). We need to get past labels, and just judge issues. The labels work because too many of us are too lazy to do research to see where candidates stand on issues, and what policies they actually enact. So a politician can label Dean a "crazy liberal", and we can automatically assume what positions he takes, or Bush can label himself a compassionate conservative, and once again people will just make assumptions on where he stands. What really matters is what Bush has actually done with the environment, economy, education, national security, etc. and what Dean would do differently. Dean has a website, and while pretty vague (but there never has been a political website, or campaign for that matter, that hasn't been too vague for my tastes), it gives you a pretty good idea of where he stands. Where you think those stances are on the political spectrum really don't matter, just whether or not you agree with them. There shouldn't be anything wrong with being "left" or "right". Just different points of views, and that's OK.

(edited by ges7184 on 5.8.03 1235)


Everything that is wrong in this world can be blamed on Freddie Prinze Jr.
Pages: 1Thread ahead: Bilingual Lunacy
Next thread: Y kannt Johnny reed?
Previous thread: Gay Priest Gets Key Votes--Final Decision Forthcoming
(1902 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Because it looks like the rest of the world is much scarier than anything Saddam has in mind right now: Part of an article from The Sydney Morning Herald (smh.com.au)
The W - Current Events & Politics - Whatcha Gonna Do?Register and log in to post!

The W™ message board

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim

This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.112 seconds.