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eviljonhunt81
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Since: 6.1.02
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While I agree that it is ridiculously early, these things start earlier and earlier each year, and you guys have already mentioned it a bit. Anyway, what do you think the major issues will be?

Howard Dean (whose website has a stupid name and a freaking blog with perhaps the greatest URL ever) and Dennis Kucinich both seem unhappy with the Patriot Act. If they get the nomination (which doesn't seem to likely at this point, not that anyone looks terribly amazing out there in the Democratic field) this could be a decent issue against Bush. However, as they will probably not get the nomination, I wouldn't count on the Patriot Act coming up as an issue, as Bob Graham John Edwards John Kerry and Joe Lieberman all voted for the act, with Graham so-sponsoring it.

The war in Iraq and the War on Terror would seem to be a decent issues for a Democratic assault, but a recent poll says that most Americans are greatly misinformed about these issues.

I guess that leaves us with the economy. Not living in America at the moment, I don't know how bad it has gotten, but it doesn't seem to be as bad as it was under Bush I. Or my family's just lucky this time around.

In the end, it will come down to a race about nothing, just as it really has been for some time now. Americans generally don't try to be informed, and don't seem to want to be in the first place, so anyone who wants to be elected will stear clear of anything that would make a voter stop and think.



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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
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    Howard Dean (whose website has a stupid name and a freaking blog with perhaps the greatest URL ever) and Dennis Kucinich both seem unhappy with the Patriot Act. If they get the nomination (which doesn't seem to likely at this point, not that anyone looks terribly amazing out there in the Democratic field) this could be a decent issue against Bush.


Conservatives(not neo-cons) are pissed about the Patriot Act too. The problem with Dean is the fact that he has moved so far to the left on the war and nationalized health care that it's going to be very hard for him to come back notwithstanding his relatively conservative positions on guns and the budget. Kucininch on the other hand bankrupted Cleveland and has aligned himself with the freaks over in the Natural Law Party.



Not only that, but remember that these three guys also towed the line talking about how we knew where the weapons were, blah blah; the same thing they are accusing the Bush folks of now.




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The problem with Dean is the fact that he has moved so far to the left on the war and nationalized health care that it's going to be very hard for him to come back notwithstanding his relatively conservative positions on guns and the budget.

It's all a matter of positioning. Dean is being careful to frame his opposition to the war in terms of effectiveness in safeguarding American security - and frankly, it wasn't - so if he can make that clear to the public he should be fine.

And seriously, it's not like he doesn't have ammo to spare regarding the Bush administration's pathetic record on national security post 9/11 - remember, this is the administration which ran a $400 billion deficit and somehow couldn't find the billion for port security that the Coast Guard have been requesting constantly since 9/11 and that defense experts say is vitally necessary in any serious war on terrorism. Heck, their top counterterrorism counsel resigned last week and then joined the Kerry campaign as an advisor. (It's a pity, because I think Kerry is a lame duck at this point, but the point is made.)

If he can put that together into a coherent argument that energizes people - and Dean is far and away the best of the Democratic candidates at doing so, his net-organized meetups are pulling in tons of people - then I don't think his opposition to the war will be a problem. Phrasing opposition to the military is one thing - expressing concern over their misuse is another. Especially when the death count for American troops in Iraq is going up by one or two a day.
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Dean is well within the mainstream of the Democratic Party when it comes to Health Insurance, if not even a bit to the right. A very sizable chunk, if not a majority, of Democratic primary voters favor a single-payer, socialized, European-style system, which Dean doesn't advocate. The fact he actually instituted a program that worked and didn't bust the budget is why he's making it an issue.



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Prediction- WMD + Democratic Sleazball moves = close election

Im a huge Bush fan but where is the proof? This may and probly will come back to haunt
eviljonhunt81
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I can see it hurting him, but with so much of congress following Bush right into War, I don't know if they really have much ground to stand on.



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Tshman, what are these "democratic sleazeball moves" that you speak of?



    The problem with Dean is the fact that he has moved so far to the left on the war and nationalized health care that it's going to be very hard for him to come back notwithstanding his relatively conservative positions on guns and the budget.


This is what frustrates me about politics in general. Do you know anyone who is ENTIRELY liberal or ENTIRELY conservative about every single issue? Then why do we seem to require the same about our politicians?



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Next elections burning issues:

Can this candidate make me more money?
Does this candidate have a good catchphrase, that may or may not make sense?
How well does this candidate look on TV?
Does this candidate have commercials that play ominous music when talking about their opponent, a person shown only yelling, in a black and white still shot?
Who does [insert random inane celebrity/radio host] support?
Is the candidate presented as a rogueish outsider who "shoots from the hip" and "tells it like it is", even though no major party would support such a person?

These issues settle about 80% of the vote in American politics. The first question alone settles about 75%.



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