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Since: 15.1.02
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I don't get it ya'll. Everyone knows Vince is the true owner and that he's gonna run both shows. What is he doing, making his own competition? It's like watching Vince play chess with himself kinda.

I try to keep an open mind, I believe there is a reason for everything but damn, I just can't see where this is going. Can someone please give some insight on this?



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I think it is simply opening up more opportunities for their oversized roster. There is simply not enough time for everybody if the RAW and Smackdown storylines have to be continous between the shows. However, this way what happens on Smackdown doesn't have to tie back into RAW, and what happens on RAW doesn't have to tie back into Smackdown. Also, by splitting the roster (and not having the other half available to them on a given show), it will force them to place some of their underused talent on the air. The way I see it is that each show would have their own set of writers to just concentrate on their own show. That way, each set of writers would only have to come up with 2 hours of material each week instead of 4. In fact, if it was up to me, I would split the PPV's (except Wrestlemania) too. That way feuds could have more depth since there would be approx 2 months between the given show's PPV instead of one.
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#3 Posted on
    Originally posted by NEO


    I don't get it ya'll. Everyone knows Vince is the true owner and that he's gonna run both shows. What is he doing, making his own competition? It's like watching Vince play chess with himself kinda.



    I try to keep an open mind, I believe there is a reason for everything but damn, I just can't see where this is going. Can someone please give some insight on this?



Although I hope it works, I have a sinking feeling that this idea is going to fail. I'll leave it at that.

Onto your point, though, the idea behind the split according to Linda McMahon and Jim Ross in interviews is that since the demise of the old WCW, despite its best efforts, the WWF has become stagnant without competition. The only way they feel like they can make the entire company better is to create two touring divisions that although they work to make money for the same people, have honest-to-goodness competition to be the better division. The hope is that each touring group will work its best to do better than the other group, elevate both products, and increase the bottom line.

Other factors include the points others have made already, which I don't need to repeat.

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Since: 23.1.02
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Remember, though, that that would make it 2 months of 2 hour shows, which equals 1 month of 4 hour shows. So the buildup is just about the same.

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Who is going to run Heat & Metal/Jakked?



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Since: 2.1.02
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There is a HUGE downside to this split though. More talent will be shown but we'll only get to see that talent just ONCE a week.




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i wouldn't mind seeing the talent once a week, if its worthwhile. keeps angles/characters more fresh, allowing less burnout risk. i'd rather see a good Booker/Edge level match once a week, than countless inane backstage skits. but that's just me....



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Since: 19.3.02
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Does anybody forget when the WWF only had 2 hours of original programming every week? I remember being more than happy with watching Superstars and Challenge, and not even seeing the big name stars on a weekly basis. With this talent split, I think that (if done properly) angles will be given time again to build slowly and make the fans want to see a resolution to them. Right now it seems like 8 out of every 10 angles in the WWF has not finish them, and I don't even see those 2 that do had the proper build.

What the WWF has to do is not split it by perceived level (Raw gets "A" talent Smackdown get "B"), but to split it so each side has half of the each, so some of those former "B"s can now become "A"s... at least in theory.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by CajunMan
    Who is going to run Heat & Metal/Jakked?


My guess would be that logically, since Metal/Jakked tapings happen at Raw, and Heat tapings coincide with Smackdown, that they'd split them accordingly.

However, this is the WWF. All bets are usually off.

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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by Trineo
    Does anybody forget when the WWF only had 2 hours of original programming every week? I remember being more than happy with watching Superstars and Challenge, and not even seeing the big name stars on a weekly basis.


Exactly. People seem to forget that just two and a half years ago the WWF was getting along just fine with only one two hour show a week (and some would say were doing better). And if you go back further, as Trineo pointed out, you would hardly ever get to see the big name guys on TV. And if you did it was in a squash match. I remember counting down the days for a Saturday Night's Main Event to get to see the big names go at it. It made stuff seem more fresh and exciting that way.

I myself am really looking forward to the split (oops sorry, it's not a split, but a "brand extension"). Waiting a week to see your favorite guy perform will make all the more worth the wait. This experiment may fail miserably, but I'm glad they have the guts to give it a try. The only thing I wish were different would be to have a champion for each division, and the only crossover would be once a year at 'Mania.





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I'd have to agree with that, we need two champs. Two REALLY seperate promotions so they can actually be vying to be the better promotion. Of course, I almost never watch Smackdown! anyway, so Vince would have to work pretty hard to make that "Must See TV"

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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    I'd have to agree with that, we need two champs. Two REALLY seperate promotions so they can actually be vying to be the better promotion. Of course, I almost never watch Smackdown! anyway, so Vince would have to work pretty hard to make that "Must See TV"

    -Jag

    For me, anyway.



I think they need to split the lower tier titles back up again but I think the world championship, the tag championships, and the lady's title not to be available to both shows. This gives them importance once again as whomever holds them gets more TV time. It also sets up competition between the two groups where there can be somewhat of a crossover in storylines between the two shows. If the main contender(s) for the titles are with one side they can "shove that in the face" of the other side as a kind of we're better than you, toughest kid on the block sort of thing.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
but was it Mick Foley that said "There are too many Belts?"



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Since: 6.1.02
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#14 Posted on
I really don't get the one champ for two divisions thing. I'm guessing that means the champ has to have two different angles at the same time, whcih might be kind of wierd. But more importantly, he'd have to work twice as much. I suppose you could give him house shows off, so he has the same amount of dates, but flying between two totally different touring scedules would have to suck. I mean, what if one branch is doing a west coast swing and the other is doing an east coast swing, and the champ has to take 2 trans-continental flights a week? That would be tough.

Also, the champ would have to work twice as many PPV's (and would be working main-events), which are generally the where you get hurt. I'd be pissed at having to work twice as many of these. And if each branch has one PPV/month (although I don't think that'd happen), the champ would have to work a PPV main-event every two weeks. That's way too much.

I can see it now. Instead of lobbying to be champ, Hogan, Nash, et. al. would be begging Vince to NOT be champ. That'd be interesting.

Hey, maybe the thinking is that in return for the privilage of being champ, you have to step it up and work more.

Also, is the woman's division really big enough to have the champ have a feud on two shows? And are you telling me only one branch is going to have a tag-team division?



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they've got seven titles now: unified world, intercontinental, tag, women's, cruiserweight, european and hardcore.

the split could go a long way toward elevating the euro strap to ic-level, as well as getting the ic title back to where it should be. put the euro belt in one brand and the ic in the other and you have a slot for that division's top guy who isn't in the world title hunt. the european belt has always seemed like IC: The Sequel anyway. imo, at least.

put the cruiserweight and hardcore titles in seperate brands and you have your specialty matches for that promotion.

according to linda, the world and women's champions will be available for both shows. that's a mistake, i think. the women's title should only be on one show because the division isn't big enough to have contenders on both. i think this will be the first place where the split is sort of "exposed" - one of those girls is going to pop up on both shows without the belt. trish, lita, jazz, ivory, maybe nidia. hrm, it might work but my gut tells me otherwise. (one brand gets three, the other gets two.)

the split makes the tag scene more interesting, despite the weakness of the division. the belt isn't supposed to cross shows, so the only time it could switch brands is on a cross over pay per view. this makes it a plot device - one of the pawns in the "balance of power" between the promotions.

there were roughly four million belts during the invasion and they kept trying to sell us on the idea that when one of them changed factions, it meant something to the balance of power. with a smaller number of belts and two promotions with their own show and very little crossover, they can finally run with that idea and have actually mean something.

i can only assume that for the forseeable future vince will be the evil promoter and flair will be the babyface. depending on who is the champion, that could lead to "good, solid competition" for him in one brand and "evil shenanigens" for him in the other. that's definitely something for the writers to work with.

this could be very good for business provided they stick to the ground rules they start out with.



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#16 Posted on
There's a cruiserweight and a light-heavyweight title now. I think it's assumed they will be unified once X-Pac returns, though.



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light heavyweight is no more. tajiri is the "wwf crusierweight champion" and x-pac ain't shit.

per jim ross, i believe. x-pac went to one of the developmental leagues and was told not to bring the light heavy belt with him anymore.



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#18 Posted on
WWFsuperstars.com has that little thing at the bottom of the page with the champs. It has X-Pac as Light-heavyweight champ.



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I dont like the idea of just having a title disappear. That needs to be tied into the storylines somehow. Have them do a unification match and then have the title disappear.



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#20 Posted on
eh, call it a toss up then.

tajiri's bio on the site says he is still commissioner regal's lackey. take it with a grain of salt.

he's popped up on raw or smackdown with the cruiserweight strap and his chyron said "wwf cruiserweight champion". when have you seen x-pac?



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