Whatever that punch was that von Erich used as the Texas Tornado.
Finishers I don't like, but can't really be called "bad" per se:
Stunner (just doesn't look like it should hurt as much as any other jawbreaker).
Rock Bottom (more powerful than a power slam - why?)
Last Ride (OK it looks like it hurts, but also takes about an hour to do it and looks ugly)
Razor's Edge (also took an hour to do).
As much as I like watching submission finishers I wouldn't want to use one if I were trying to get ahead in the business. Why? Because guys wouldn't want to job clean to me because they would have to give up. No shame or real loss of heat in being covered after a stunner or pedigree - you're knocked out. But tapping to an ankle lock or the walls? Notice that most guys now make it to the ropes or only tap if something was done to really weaken them (see Kane v Angle last week).
When it comes to remarkably effective finishers (from a crowd-popping perspective, at least) nothing beat Hogan's legdrop, despite the fact that it rarely looked like it would have had any effect on his opponent at all.
But the Escort Train is even lamer, and never popped the crowd. And if I'm not mistaken, Godfather used to win a lot of TV matches (allowing for the post-match celebration) with it. Well, to be fair, the hos entering the ring post-match did pop the crowd.
But, folks, those days are over. Papa Kama Shango Mustafa's got a fork stuck in his back now.
...so there's a mediacal explanation as to why the mandible claw works, but what about the Torture Rack? I just never bought that one.
Also, is that considered a finisher? It's not a submission move- it makes you pass out, not give up... hmmm
Well, usually people submitted after 3 seconds but that might be from being in the ring with Flexy Lexy.
I'll give it a shot (Damn, a few years back I saw a magazine that explained all these moves, I didn't have the money to get it then..)
I believe you were on your side on the guys neck/shoulders with him holding your neck and leg. Now if he would yank your neck down (sideways for you) and pull your leg it could put some pressure on your neck. The bouncing up/down could perhaps put some sort of pressure on your spine as his shoulders could be forcing your back to twist a bit..
I give up..I go for the reason I gave at the beginning of this mail..
"...And I use that to f*ck them some place fairly uncomfortable." "What, like the back of a volkswagen ?" -Mallrats
I think that the Liontamer is one of the worst finishing moves. If you think about it, you've got a 220 guy landing on you from about 4 feet away. The breakdown is more credible than the lionsault, if only Jericho could do it right.
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