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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I started browsing this section of WCW, and for some reason Sid vs Scott Hall vs Jeff Jarrett for the World Title caught my eye. I don't remember this happening. Did I block this out?
    ...
    This probably should have been Hall's moment to run with the ball, but we all know you can't trust Scott Hall as the face of the company so Sid wins.
If this was SuperBrawl, WCW comped me to be there! And I believe this ended up as Hall's final match.

You really owe it to yourself to go back and see Tank Abbott pull a knife on Big Al.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.19
Wasn't Sid's horrific leg injury the next night on Nitro?



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.19
    Originally posted by CRZ
    If this was SuperBrawl, WCW comped me to be there! And I believe this ended up as Hall's final match.


That's the one. Scott Hall was on pace to become The Man, before he decided to get completely wasted (out of character, no doubt) in Germany the week before Superbrawl. He harassed Terry Taylor mercilessly, and was such a disaster that the pilot headed home wouldn't let him board.

The Thunder was written completely around Hall; but because he was still Not In The Country, they had to scrap everything, job him out at Superbrawl, where they were ready to fire him immediately afterwards.

HOWEVER ... Hall wound up suffering a legit neck injury in the match, so they couldn't immediately fire him. Instead, he stayed off TV and eventually got his release in October - just in time for Kevin Nash and DDP to centre every single interview they did around ... Scott Hall, who no longer worked there.

Scott Hall would appear in one more match; a "San Francisco 49ers Match" for the vacant WCW Title.





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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
    Originally posted by cfgb
    Scott Hall would appear in one more match; a "San Francisco 49ers Match" for the vacant WCW Title.
I got comped to THAT one, too!

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by JayJayDean

    And Vince McMahon was a TERRIBLE announcer.

And he's the guy yelling in Cole's ear.

I watched the NXT Special Event. The Cesaro-Zayn match was unreal. I also really enjoyed Emma-Paige. Good match, better than any Diva's match in a long time. The Network has turned me into an avid NXT viewer. Top to bottom, it's a great product.

The most recent thing was the LoW round table about overachievers and underachievers. Good episode that became my favorite due to the showing of the Lex Luger "Hero" vignette. If you haven't seen it or your mind I'd fuzzy, check it out.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    On a side note I really liked this era of Jeff Jarrett.


Speaking of Jeff Jarrett, saw a really good match between him and X-Pac also. It was a hair vs. hair match which I guess is when Jarrett first became short-haired Jarrett. The PPV was Summerslam '98 I believe. It was the one with the Rock/Triple H ladder match and Austin/Taker was the main event.

I actually liked pretty much every era of Jarrett. He was definitely a good worker to have in your company he was just overused once he got a position of power. Same thing for X-Pac (Also I think Pac's ability translate a lot better to a face wrestler and he was a heel most of the time).



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
They just added the episode of ECW Hardcore TV where ECW finally becomes extreme, with the famous Shane Douglas promo and everything.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
I'll be the guy to say it: I watched the second episode of Legends House this morning. And... it was better than the first.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
I think I'm going to be hanging out in the ECW backlogs for awhile. Up now is Heatwave 2000, where RVD debuted the VanTerminator against Scotty Anton. This was during ECW's version of the "evil bosses" angle, which in this case was 'The Network' (TNN, which would later become Spike TV) who were trying to censor ECW and make it more mainstream.

Ironic that's pretty much exactly how the ECW 'reboot' turned out. I watched a few episodes on SciFi, and it was horrible. I'll definitely be avoiding the 'ECW' reboot and sticking to the good stuff. Any ECW fans have suggestions for good PPVs or matches available on Network?

EDIT: I found a list from Joey Styles of the Top 5 I should check out:
Barely Legal '97
Living Dangerously '98
Heatwave '98
Living Dangerously '99
One Night Stand '05
I will probably start in order, though I'll probably skip ONS since I have it on DVD already.

EDIT II: I'll probably add these in, in chronological order:
Hardcore Heaven '97
Guilty as Charged '99
Anarchy Rulz '99
Guilty as Charged '01 (final PPV as a real company)
One Night Stand '06

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
Spring Stampede 2000

I'm going to try a type as I go here.

The Network puts up a disclaimer saying this show is in it's original form and does not reflect the WWE's views. Odd.

Show starts off with video of Vince Russo hitting Flair with a bat and cutting a promo about Flair being a piece of shit and shit on his shoe. Oh, that's why we got the disclaimer. This isn't looking good.

All titles are vacant, and we have multiple tournaments and no brackets. There is a Millionaires Club vs New Blood story here. New Blood which is really just old guys vs guys who aren't quite as old unless they are.

First match Team Package vs The Mamalukes, Russo adds the Harris Boys so it is four on two now. Flair wrestles in a polo and slacks. Garbage match. Team Package wins.

Jimmy Hart vs Mancow ...

The Wall vs Scott Steiner. Steiner wins after sticking his thumbs in The Walls eyes which causes him to blindly choke slam the ref through the table. DQ win for Steiner. Yep

Mike Awesome vs The Cat. Bam Bam jumps the Cat backstage and so it's now Bam Bam vs Awesome. The Cat comes into the ring mid match takes out Bam Bam and starts dancing. This might be the highlight of the show. Awesome destroys The Cat and pins The Cat (not Bam Bam) for the win. Goddamnit Russo.

Harlem Heat 2000 vs Buff Bagwell and Shane Douglas. Moving on.

Booker T vs Sting. This is a fine match that looks like a gem compared to the garbage they've served up thus far. Booker T was seeing the brass ring at this point and Sting was game here. Sting wins.

This is a good time to mention that even though Bobby Heenan clearly lost his fastball at this point he was dearly missed since his replacement, Mark Madden, was horrendous. However he fits in with the times.

Vampiro vs Billy Kidman. Vamipro is one of the only wrestlers that ever powerbombs Billy Kidman. I was always a fan of sloppy ass Vampiro and still believe that look and gimmick should still get over. The Billy Kidman experiment was in full swing. I never thought as highly of him as WCW. Kidman's peak was probably always that of a poor man's X-Pac. Anyways, Hogan interrupts the match, nearly murders Kidman, the referee never rings the bell so Vampiro gets the pin and the win.

Hogan goes after Bischoff backstage, says Son of a Bitch a whole bunch, finally finds him (behind a door with his name on it) but Russo comes in with the cops and GUNS ARE DRAWN ON HOGAN and he is taken away.

Terry Funk then looks for Norrman Smiley backstage and finds him in the bathroom. Backstage brawl, regular backstage spots plus Norman Smiley comedy spots. They end up in the ring, Dustin Rhodes runs in and attacks Funk, they miss their accident spot that should have hit Smiley and ended the match. Funk improvises and wins.

Russo gets tough on Booker T.

Mike Awesome vs Scott Steiner. Steiner has the most generic ass music you will ever hear, this is pre sirens and chain mail. These guys just start hitting their groove, and Nash comes in hits Awesome in the back and Steiner Recliner submits Awesome. Nice job WCW, Awesome's second WCW match and he already submits. Madden declares Steiner the new US Champion. This wasn't the finals. He doesn't have a bracket either,or he just spoiled the tournament.

Russo fires Dustin backstage.

Vampiro vs Sting. This was close to a normal match, only it felt more like a bunch of moves with no flow. They also botch the ending sequence. Sting wins.

Three Count is out to dance and lip sync. They do a full song and then say they are going to do it again, Charles Robinson has a great moment as he gets so dejected in the background. I guess this is two members of 3 Count, Lash Leroux, Juvented, Chris Candino, Crowbar and The Artist in a Cruiserweight match where I guess you have to tag your way in. Daffney gets involved, Tammy Sytch shows up, Candino wins oh and then a Cat Fight. Goddamnit Russo.

Team Package vs Bagwell and Douglas. Flair is still in his polo shirt and slacks, this must be around the time where the Ric Flair has to fight in a shirt rule came into play. You can't help but feel bad for Ric during this time as he also just begged his way onto Team Package which consisted of Luger and Elizabeth. Vince Russo interferes, then Kronik debuts and that's the end of Flair and Luger.

Scott Steiner vs Sting. Madden starts saying Bullshit because he can. Sting has control, Vampiro pops up from under the ring and drags Sting down. Vampiro pops back out returns Sting with blood coming out of his mouth. Steiner Recliner. NOW we have a new US Champion.

Main Event time, thank God.

Jeff Jarrett vs DDP

I'm hoping these two have their working boots on. I've already stated my love for this era Jeff Jarrett and I enjoy watching DDP much more in hindsight than I did at the time. This starts off well enough and then we go brawling in the crowd. There is nothing I hate more than brawling in the crowd. Back to the ring and these guys really start hittinig their groove. This actually happens to be a pretty good match and then Bischoff distracts the referee and Kimberly comes in and THE SWERVE she hits DDP with the guitar. Jarrett with The Stroke and the win.

All The New Blood winners and new champions come in to celebrate *ahem* Bagwell, Douglas, Candino and Steiner along with Russo.

I regret my decision to watch this show. This was Vince Russo at his worst. You probably feel like I just wasted your time, but if I stop you from ever watching this show then I actually saved you two hours and forty minutes. This was the Vince Russo masturbation show. I'm avoiding this era for awhile. I feel like I just watched a snuff film.




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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    This is a good time to mention that even though Bobby Heenan clearly lost his fastball at this point he was dearly missed since his replacement, Mark Madden, was horrendous. However he fits in with the times.
    (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 27.4.14 0008)


Yes, the ppv I watched was Schiavone, Madden and Stevie Ray. Maybe the worst commentary team I've ever heard although I do like it when Stevie refers to the women as "yaks".

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    Vampiro vs Billy Kidman. Vamipro is one of the only wrestlers that ever powerbombs Billy Kidman. I was always a fan of sloppy ass Vampiro and still believe that look and gimmick should still get over. (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 27.4.14 0008)


I was also a fan of Vampiro. At different times in WCW he teamed up with Raven, Sting and Muta. All of those teams would have been amazing in a competent company. Or even a slightly more competent era of WCW.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    Harlem Heat 2000 vs Buff Bagwell and Shane Douglas. Moving on.
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Oh God. I completely forgot about Ahmed Johnson in "Harlem Heat". I think you're right to abort this late WCW review idea.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
I just tried watching ECW #26 (the earliest episode available) and I gave up halfway through the Sabu vs Taz match. Now I remember why, when someone showed me an early tape of ECW, I thought it was supposed to be a parody of wrestling. It reminds me a lot of GLOW.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I just tried watching ECW #26 (the earliest episode available) and I gave up halfway through the Sabu vs Taz match. Now I remember why, when someone showed me an early tape of ECW, I thought it was supposed to be a parody of wrestling. It reminds me a lot of GLOW.


The production value wasn't there, but you can't argue with the talent they had. RVD, the Dudleys, the Eliminators, Raven (off and on), Jerry Lynn, early versions of Jericho, Austin and so many others.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
      Originally posted by InVerse
      I just tried watching ECW #26 (the earliest episode available) and I gave up halfway through the Sabu vs Taz match. Now I remember why, when someone showed me an early tape of ECW, I thought it was supposed to be a parody of wrestling. It reminds me a lot of GLOW.


    The production value wasn't there, but you can't argue with the talent they had. RVD, the Dudleys, the Eliminators, Raven (off and on), Jerry Lynn, early versions of Jericho, Austin and so many others.


That talent isn't there in those first few episodes, though. It's a normal struggling north east indy for a while, not just in production but in creativity. The really early ones seem to exist more for curiosity than the actual product they were presenting (and because that episode #26 was supposedly the first one Heyman booked.)

I'm not much of an ECW historian, but the show where Shane Douglas throws down the NWA title and changes the name to Extreme Championship Wrestling sounds like a better starting point (and might be one of the newer episodes available.)

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
    Originally posted by cfgb
    HOWEVER ... Hall wound up suffering a legit neck injury in the match, so they couldn't immediately fire him.


Conveniently timed! I think the release then came in October based on WCW's "we can cut you if you're hurt for 6 months" thing they did with Bret Hart.


    Instead, he stayed off TV and eventually got his release in October - just in time for Kevin Nash and DDP to centre every single interview they did around ... Scott Hall, who no longer worked there.


also didn't Nash feud with RuBisch over Hall's contract, which Goldberg ... ate.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    It was a hair vs. hair match which I guess is when Jarrett first became short-haired Jarrett.


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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

    I'm not much of an ECW historian, but the show where Shane Douglas throws down the NWA title and changes the name to Extreme Championship Wrestling sounds like a better starting point (and might be one of the newer episodes available.)

    (edited by thecubsfan on 27.4.14 1518)


I remember trying to watch ECW from the beginning and it was tough to get through the Eddie Gilbert, Jimmy Snuka, Don Muraco stuff but I did some Googling and it looks like when Shane gives his great promo to kick off Extreme Championship Wrestling those old timers are gone and the roster is made up more of the wrestlers ECW is known for (Douglas, Cactus Jack, Funk, Dreamer, Sandman, Benoit, Taz, Sabu, Malenko, etc) minus Raven who debuts the beginning of 1995 and RVD and Dudleys who show up in 1996.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by cfgb
      HOWEVER ... Hall wound up suffering a legit neck injury in the match, so they couldn't immediately fire him.

      Originally posted by Quezzy
      It was a hair vs. hair match which I guess is when Jarrett first became short-haired Jarrett.


    solidarity with Jill who had cancer
    which she died of 8 years later


I never knew that before. That's a very interesting tidbit.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
I also tried a Hardcore TV (4/26/1994) yesterday with the intention of writing it up for everybody (Title: TWENTY YEARS TOO LATE) but NOTHING happened for the first twenty minutes! I was getting the impression that the first ten minutes of the show were designed to capture casual/drunk channel flippers to stick with SportsChannel at 2:07 in the morning Friday night (or whenever it aired) and there was a reason WWE Network added a "START OF SHOW" bookmark. I want to go back and finish it because SURELY there'll be some wrestling EVENTUALLY. (DISCLAIMER: There WAS an extremely short squash of Stormin' Mike Norman by The Tazmaniac, whose bare feet had very dirty soles, but it didn't get me jazzed to see him take on THE Pit Bull [with Jason] for the TV title at When Worlds Collide)

Also, strange seeing Arn Anderson.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

    I'm not much of an ECW historian, but the show where Shane Douglas throws down the NWA title and changes the name to Extreme Championship Wrestling sounds like a better starting point (and might be one of the newer episodes available.)




You really have to dig to find something worth your time before this point. I've never heard of anyone being a fan of the Eastern Championship Wrestling version of the company, but I'm sure they are out there.

If I had to recommend an ECW match to anyone it would be the Raven/Richards vs The Pitbulls Dog Collar match. There's better technical matches and harder core matches, but this is the perfect balance of a whole bunch of stories coming together, with over booking but just the right amount, and a hot crowd.

    Originally posted by Justin Shapiro
    also didn't Nash feud with RuBisch over Hall's contract, which Goldberg ... ate.


I saw this match listed as Nash vs Goldberg for Hall's contract. I remember Nash being on a Hall crusade, but couldn't figure out why Goldberg was fighting for this. I'm guessing this was during his heel turn and he was fighting on the behalf of RuBisch, but I'm still hosing the stank off the last PPV I watched so I'm not about to dive in and find out.

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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    The production value wasn't there, but you can't argue with the talent they had. RVD, the Dudleys, the Eliminators, Raven (off and on), Jerry Lynn, early versions of Jericho, Austin and so many others.


The production values don't bother me. It was the over the top violence that I thought was stupid. I did become a fan of ECW toward the end, once they moved to TNN, but the first ever ECW match I watched was, if I remember correctly, Raven vs Terry Funk in an I Quit match that involved one of them latching a pair of vice grips onto the other's penis. I was a fan of both wrestlers, but that match was just so stupid that I couldn't believe it was meant to be taken seriously.
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