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Since: 23.1.02
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
Here's my third try: My first two responses were outright flames.

Dear BoromirMark,

While you are right that several people jumped to some pretty quck conclusions about Bradshaw on very little proof, next time you feel the need to point this out please READ THE THREAD first.

    Originally posted by madiq - spelled with an A
    Does anyone else feel like such childish and inapproprate behavior is one reason why wrestlers have such bad reputations in mainstream society? I'm sorry, but that kind of stuff isn't cool...


Do you see the words ( Bradshaw disgusting male rapist pig ) contained in that quote? I don't. So next time you decide to add your bit to the discussion, feel free to preview and edit your own post. So you don't end up looking like such an ass.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.53
I only come off as big an ass as the hatred-filled HHH-Bradshaw hating clique comes off as.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    If that were true then every single pro sport would have a bad rep, and while that may be kind of true, I don't think the rep of, say, football is as bad as that of wrestling.


The rep of wrestling has a lot less to do with the real-life behavior of the talent than it does to the stigma attached to wrestling itself as a "fake" sport for stupid, lowbrow etcetera. If wrestling (as a "sport") had the same space in America as, like you say, football, it'd look like a gathering of choir boys in comparison. Yeah, lots of moronic frat-boy level garbage, but not anywhere near as much rape and murder. (:

They'd be about neck-and-neck on the drug front, though.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Lawler (or whoever) should have pressed charges and Bradshaw should have been fired.
If Brian Lawler was targeted because he had admitted to RAPING GIRLS AFTER SLIPPING THEM A DRUG, getting the law involved would almost surely have been the last thing on his mind.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
    Originally posted by smarkymcsmart

      Lawler (or whoever) should have pressed charges and Bradshaw should have been fired.
    If Brian Lawler was targeted because he had admitted to RAPING GIRLS AFTER SLIPPING THEM A DRUG, getting the law involved would almost surely have been the last thing on his mind.


Well, YES. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE! And IF the Bradshaw incident happened as simply a hazing thing and through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN, he SHOULD HAVE reported it!

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.21
    Originally posted by Liz
    Well, YES. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE! And IF the Bradshaw incident happened as simply a hazing thing and through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN, he SHOULD HAVE reported it!


And then what? Who would hire him after word gets out that he's probably going to bring lawsuits with him wherever he goes because (in their mind) he can't handle being around 'the boys'?

Even if he never sues, no promoter in the world would be stupid enough to hire back someone who they even think would bring up suits against them at a later date, unless they've got the money and lawyers needed to make those suits go away (Vince bringing back Sable).

Besides, if he doesn't sue, what's Vince going to do with a 'report'? Shit, Vince knows about it by now, and last I heard around the time this whole mess happened the APA were trading tag titles around with other top teams. Vince knowing didn't do crap-all to Bradshaw.


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
That's certainly something to think about, Tribal, and I have no doubt exactly what you described would have transpired.

But, if (IF) all of that happened to Lawler, through no fault of his own (ie the GHB story), he wouldn't have necessarily needed to worry about working again, IMO. A subtle threat to Vince about police reports and sexual assault charges, along with alerting the media, and I think Mac would have folded to any reasonable demands BL may have had. I may be wrong.




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
To add onto the legend of Bradshaw, didn't he also ran off Buff Bagwell. And he had a lot of fun with Buff's top-hat with his image during a weekend houseshow and a few days later Mr. Bagwell and the WWE mutually agreed to sever ties.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
Liz and fuelinjected I thank the both of you for making me smile tonight. The thought of Steve Blackman getting up from a conveyor belt and just kicking Bradshaw in the head it just makes me ohhhhh so happy. Not that I hate the guy but you know. If only they televised stuff like that.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    To add onto the legend of Bradshaw, didn't he also ran off Buff Bagwell. And he had a lot of fun with Buff's top-hat with his image during a weekend houseshow and a few days later Mr. Bagwell and the WWE mutually agreed to sever ties.


I think it's quite obvious that Buff Bagwell ran off Buff Bagwell. After his match with Booker, I think his exit was pretty much a given. In fact, if we're going to sit here and comment on someone's backstage behavior, I think Buff would make a pretty nice target .



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.17
What I'm wondering is how the other wrestlers reacted to this. As far as I know, wrestlers are doing way better than other pro athletes in terms of severe violence. Like, gang-raping any female fan who wants to hang out with them and therefore cannot possibly mean "no" when she says "no."

I had to research this once. I'm not even getting into the stigma against a male victim of rape. I wish I could say that I'm certain, if Bradshaw had actually committed rape against an employee, he would have been fired.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I could've sworn that the straw that broke Buff's back was when his former tag-team champion of a mother complained publicly about his position in the WWF.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
Anyone willing to give me a quick rundown of why Buff was so hated by the fans and by WWE in general? TIA.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.23
    Originally posted by Liz
    Anyone willing to give me a quick rundown of why Buff was so hated by the fans and by WWE in general? TIA.


I think it mostly had to do with his vicious, relentless and totalitarian sucking.

I mean, he didn't just suck. He scraped teeth along the shaft. He got winded quickly, had an annoying gimmick. He just sucked. Normally I'd formulate a more intelligent response, but this topic doesn't warrant one. He just sucked.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by Liz
      Anyone willing to give me a quick rundown of why Buff was so hated by the fans and by WWE in general? TIA.


    I think it mostly had to do with his vicious, relentless and totalitarian sucking.

    I mean, he didn't just suck. He scraped teeth along the shaft. He got winded quickly, had an annoying gimmick. He just sucked. Normally I'd formulate a more intelligent response, but this topic doesn't warrant one. He just sucked.


I can accept that. Thanks!

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.16
    Originally posted by Liz
    Anyone willing to give me a quick rundown of why Buff was so hated by the fans and by WWE in general? TIA.

Basically he was not well liked for a long time in WCW. After he hurt his neck he seemed to be totally dogging it in ring. Also, there were lots of rumors about him being a pain in the ass backstage, getting into fights (and getting his ass kicked), and having his mother go to bat for him. Then his mother came on-screen, and became a WCW tag champion and the excrement hit the fan.

Then in WWF they tried to make WCW the face organization against the evil WWF. This was a bad move. They brought out Booker T and Buff to have a match at the end of one episode of Raw where everything was converted to WCW. The banners, the ring announcer, the announce team (Scott Hudson and Arn Anderson), the whole works. And Buff and Booker proceeded to have an utterly horrifically bad match. It was slow, full of restholds, and totally failing to draw the crowd in. The people totally turned on the match, made worse when Austin and Angle came down, kicked Booker T's ass, and then kicked Buff's ass as well, throwing both of them out the back door of the building IIRC, drawing massive face heat in the process.

After that as some have said Buff's mom again complained that they weren't treating her son well. Between the savage reaction to Buff's match (it is often called the match that killed WCW and necessitated the ECW invasion) and his poor attitude and mother's involvement, they just plain decided to turf him. Can't say I blame them really.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
I am under the firm belief that everything that happens backstage at WWE shows, good or bad, gets completely blown out of proportion, if only so the reporter (Meltzer, the folks at the torch) can attract attention to himself. After all, a reporter doesn't get paid for the stories they tell or the accuracy theirin, but for how many people pick it up and read it. Yes, this is how tabloids get started/keep running, but I am also under the firm belief that half the reporting on wrestling is tabloidism more than reporting.

We have no clue whatsoever on the credentials of anybody who reports anything that happens backstage at wrestling events. Mags that have bigger pictures sell better, although almost all of the content is opinionated. Websites get more hits if their links have a picture of a worker disliked by the "smark" society with a derogatory term rather than a plain link with just the picture. Does that mean everything that comes down the pike is a lie? No. It can be. It can also be grossly inacurate, as well as (say it with me now) blown out of proportion.

If Chris Benoit tells Brock Lesnar that he acknowledges his massive physique, we won't hear it. What we will hear, more than likely, is that Benoit and Lesnar are getting along well backstage, Benoit asks Lesnar for bodybuilding tips, Lesnar tries to intimidate Benoit with his size, and maybe even Benoit shows homosexual tendencies by approaching Lesnar about his physique. Why do we hear it this way? A source says so, of course.

Did Bradshaw and a referee have an altercation? Yes. It could have been as simple as "Fuck You", which can be construed as a threat, and since it has the verb meaning to fornicate within, possibly a threat of rape. It could have been a mild mannered joke like Foley used every two paragraphs in either of his books that was construed differently then intended. Or, it could have been the popular opinion, that Bradshaw had the guy grabbing his ankles and lubed up, only didn't insert at the last minute, and told the guy it was all a joke. Oddly, these are all possibilities as to what happened (assuming the referee's integrity is proven, which it has not yet been), however the actual PLAUSIBILITY of each event varies.

Am I sticking up for Bradshaw? No. I don't even know if anything remotely worth defending happened.

I am supporting oldschoolhero, though. Hey there guy.





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#38 Posted on
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    I love how the ladies, and mediq, unilaterally believe Bradshaw is a disgusting male rapist pig without even considering the other point of view.

    Lovely bunch of open-minded smarks we have assembled.


If the stories are true (and that's the real question here) then there's really no defense for his actions.



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#39 Posted on
My $.02 ... if Brian Lawler was indeed known for bragging about slipping girls mickies and scrogging their unconscious bodies, then I'd have to say that Bradshaw scaring the crap out of him in that fashion would be poetic justice. If on the other hand he just felt like having some fun at Lawler's expense, then Bradshaw's an ass who needs to be kicked by Blackman in other places than just his head. If Bradshaw ever ACTUALLY raped anyone ... personally, I'd think that cops would've been called and we'd have a LOT more information than we do. I dunno about the rest of you, but someone cornholes me, I don't care if I do get fired for it, I'm calling the cops on his ass ... no pun intended.

Alas, it appears that none of us are 100% sure, my dear Lotus, as none of us are there and most backstage news sources are, as Lexus pointed out in his lovely rant, not exactly known for their untouchable integrity. Hell, the very nature of "backstage sources" means that you have to take them with a grain of salt, since they're almost always anonymous. It could Camera Guy Dan, it could be Brian the Water Cooler Guy, it could be RVD got wasted and decided to make something up to see if he could convince people it was real. Or it could be someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Personally, I'm guessing one of the former.

Personally? I'm guessing whatever happened was, at worst, typical frat-boy shit that got blown out of proportion, quite probably by a former employee. Vince might be an egomaniacal ass, but I don't think he'd keep people on the payroll who rape the other talent. For that matter, Ron Simmons seems a cool enough guy, so if he puts up with Bradshaw he must not be that bad.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.99
Unless of corse Farooq and Bradshaw have jungle fever.

Sorry, that one was left wide open!!



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