I have this ECW dvd at home, RVD vs Sabu and Rob cuts a pretty good promo. Talking about everyone he beat (while FOnzy goes 'but thats not Sabu) It was different from the WWF standard but not bad at all.. Also I loved the thing he did where he has several belts and says he has to carry all these titles and his partner Sabu as well. He isn't really that bad on the mic, just needs a bit of grooming..
"...And I use that to f*ck them some place fairly uncomfortable." "What, like the back of a volkswagen ?" -Mallrats
"Exactly. Remember when Bret and Davey Boy main evented Summerslam for the IC title?? "
The only reason it was like that is because the event was in England. Had it been on US soil that match would probably been second on the card and not as good. (Yes sometimes the venue adds the match, look at Canadian Stampede from '97 that 10-man would not have been as hot had it been outside of Calgary (or Canada))
It's been said before, but posters and the like for a PPV mean jack.
Hell, didn't the Vengeance poster involve a sledgehammer beating the Vengeance logo onto the screen? Yet HHH, who made use of the sledgehammer famous in the WWF, did not appear on that PPV.
That is true, because they design the posters a few months in advance. But still, has Regal or Edge or Test or any of the mid-card guys RVD has been hanging around with, gotten their own PPV poster? I`m just saying they`re not totally abandoning the guy.
I'm glad RVD has the IC belt now, actually. Wait a sec, it was a non-title match. Nevermind.
Well, I hope RVD gets the IC strap. He could do a lot more with that than William "I Used To Be Good, But Now, I'm Not So Sure Sometimes" Regal. And what's all this then about RVD not getting a push. If you ask me, he "lost" that big push right after Survivor Series.
...Some fear the Pink... ...But many fear....THE MOUNTIE! (He's handsome, he's brave, and he's strong, you know)
"The majority of the fans want RVD, but the WWF for one reason or another doesn't quite see it that way yet." I think it's because thew WWF won't LET soeone get over all by themselves, the WWF wants to restrain it, and build it WWF-style. Hey, I've been an RVD "mark" since 96, and I can't describe one single reason, I think it's his charisma (not good on the mic, but his attitude rules), as well as he can be the most entertaining guy on the card. I would be VERY happy if he keeps the IC belt a LONG time, similar to the ECW TV title. He can make any belt better(the hardcore belt was significantly improved, until OLD MAN WALKING made it disappear)...
The only thing I can say about the whole "humbling process" thing is that if I were a WWF stockholder, I'd be very dismayed to imagine this scenario at a stockholders meeting:
me: Vince, why do you keep pushing the same couple of people over and over?
VKM: Because they are the most over people and the best money draws for us.
me: But wasn't Rob Van Dam enormously over when he arrived in the WWF and yet now he's clusterfricking with Regal in the throes of meaningless midcard hell?
VKM: Well, while we acknowledged the large crowd reactions, we don't like to push new acquisitions too hard. We prefer to give them a taste of the topcard and then bring them back down to earth for a year or two, and then we push them back up once they're ready.
me: Ummm...why is that Vince? Seems to me that you're purposely trying to get people less interested in seeing your characters.
VKM: No, we want them interested in our characters, just not out of proportion of how interested we think they should be in them at any given moment.
me: But why didn't you want people more than marginally interested in Rob Van Dam?
VKM: Because he hasn't paid his dues in the federation yet. We don't want to upset the locker room, and those people who have earned their push over a long period of time?
me: Even if these people have proven to be a pox on the ratings or the PPV buyrates, like the Undertaker?
VKM: The Undertaker is one of the most respected men in the company, and has earned any push he gets for the rest of his career. Plus, the local room would riot if a newcomer like Rob Van Dam got a bigger push than him.
me: But I thought you were in charge of this company not the workers, which is why you survived and WCW didn't?
VKM: I am in charge, I just don't want the boys in the locker room to be unhappy with the pecking order of things. There are more important things than drawing money you know.
me: Why did I invest in your company again? *shaking head sadly and pondering if Enron stock might have been a better deal.*
I love the idea of giving Rob the IC belt for a year or so. Not only does that give the IC Belt the prestige it used to have, but after a year plus he'll be viewed upon as a true main eventer. Then, whoever beats him would get the rub as well. As long as its not the Undertaker!
"Competing for/holding the IC title too much or for too long simply establishes you in people's minds as an Intercontinental Title-level guy who can't move past that spot."
Like what happened with Chris Benoit last year. He main evented, and wrestled for the WWF title for four months, then the WWF made the horriffic mistake of giving Billy Gunn the Intercontinental title, and had to have Benoit destroy Gunn and save that belt. It took Benoit 4 months to recover and get back up to World Title contender level, and he was injured shortly thereafter. Sad, sad story.
This is why we do not give Billy Gunn titles that don't involve a partner carrying his ass.
I don't agree with that at all. If the WWF wants to give him the slow burn to the top, a long term IC reign would be perfect. Lets say he captures the title from Regal at Mania and feuds with upper midcarders throughout the summer. After Summerslam he could start talking that he is the longest reigning champion right now and no one could beat him. Someone from "above" like Angle or UT could take offense that the IC Champion is talking the way he is and challenge him for the belt. Rob defeats them and going into the Royal Rumble now has all the momentum bc he looks unbeatable and fans would believe he could beat the Champ, if given the chance. Plus the IC Belt is involved in a major storyline once again. If you want to have him go the Ultimate Warrior route, he wins the Rumble, and goes on to defeat the champ at Mania. If you want to stay grounded in reality, feed him Hall or Nash at Mania for the title, which he holds on to. At that point he's champ for a year, unbelievably over, paid his dues, shined the Undertaker's car, served drinks to Bradshaw on a flight, the IC Belt is prestigious again and everyone is happy. Then you can elevate him to the main event.
And 4-6 months into his title reign, the most common thing you hear from the net sheep, who have as much patience as Viscera at an all you can eat buffet, is that RVD has held the IC title for too long, and that he's being held down, and will never be pushed to world title level.
Then he'll get stale, and people will be sick of him. So when he finally DOES get pushed upwards, people won't care anymore.
No matter how bad things may get, just imagine what would happen if Vince Russo was booking again, and you will feel better.
I would argue that they weren't invested in the show as much as much as they were invested in themselves. I love rowdy crowds, but they need to pay attention. Sheamus and Orton are killing each other and they chant RVD and Michael Cole.