No more Undisputed Champion on RAW???? Great, just great. While I'm excited about what that might mean for the elevation/creation of a new belt, this really sucks for Brock Lesnar. Now he's holding a worthless belt.
-Jag
Oh and Triple H going over? Yeah that sucked too. Brock needed to feud with a babyface first. Ah well, I'm going to stop naysaying. Guess I'll just wait and see.
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I can't believe this. Why disrupt the last year of trying to build legitimacy for the Undisputed Title by pulling THIS crap?! I was enjoying RAW for the most part, but what in the BLUE HELL just happened in the last five minutes?!
They follow up SummerSlam with THIS?!?!?!
My stars. What the $#*@&% are they thinking?
EDIT: I just wanted to add an additional thought to this, since WhoBettahThanDeion made a good point below, and this is NOT supposed to be an IM session, but I guess my feeling is that I just hope they'll keep working the storyline where everything happens in the ring, so to speak, and doesn't get too heavily into the GM war. I guess I will see...
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It's called a storyline. You know, the whole, "what are they gonna' do next" factor? You'll get it...
You ever notice how girls who wore lots of make-up and were considered goog looking or doable in high school, AIN'T that good lookin' a few years after you've graduated? Still doable though. Oh yeah. MORE doable. Hehe.
I was hoping Steph would create a new belt for her show. But having the champion exclusive to Smackdown makes sense since Survivor is starting in a few weeks. That and the new Friends will lure some viewers away and the WWE needed to act in defense.
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Originally posted by JaguarNo more Undisputed Champion on RAW???? Great, just great. While I'm excited about what that might mean for the elevation/creation of a new belt, this really sucks for Brock Lesnar. Now he's holding a worthless belt.
-Jag
Oh and Triple H going over? Yeah that sucked too. Brock needed to feud with a babyface first. Ah well, I'm going to stop naysaying. Guess I'll just wait and see.
Uhhhhh...Brock won't be feuding with Triple H.
Think about it.
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Ah yes, I know. I just called people on this in another thread. But think about this: There was absolutely no reason for Triple H to go over tonight. But he did anyway.
-Jag
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"Hate, who do I hate? You tell me."
"Who do you love?"
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If Brock is Smackdown than why didn't he kick the crap out of both Triple H and The Undertaker, woulda been badass of him ya know.
Wouldn't all the heavyweight contenders jump to Smackdown now by default? Which would kick ass for Raw as they'd get the primetime IC canadates...nevermind that was logic.
Okay, I was sorta falling asleep near the end of the show (Lilian and The Fink did it, not Triple H and Taker (surprisingly)) but I thought I heard Stephanie say that Brock wouldn't be wrestling on RAW. Wouldn't that mean that he would still show up on RAW (like he has before)?
Again, I was half-awake, so I'm prepared to recieve abuse if I heard wrong.
I've had it pegged for a few months that HHH is eventually going to be the guy to beat Lesnar, just based on the stroke he carries in the company (and not unlike when Nash broke the Goldberg streak). Moving Lesnar exclusively to Smackdown, if they do go that route and actually stick with it, could just be a way of trying to make an eventual Lesnar/HHH match seem like that much more of a big deal. In other words, they think that by doing this they'll create more hype around a HHH challenge to the world title when it finally goes down.
Another possibility is that this is all designed to make the championships more meaningful. Over the past few weeks we've seen both the European and hardcore titles absorbed into the IC title. If Lesnar is SD exclusive, that makes the IC title the biggest thing to shoot for on Raw. Maybe in the end Stephanie will make the concession to let the world and cruiserweight title appear on Raw in exchange for Bischoff allowing the IC and/or tag titles appear on Smackdown. With only four real titles (sorry, but Bisch was right, no one cares about womens wrestling) now, the case for the champs to be able to go back and forth is stronger than ever. They just need a storyline reason to allow it.
Originally posted by JaguarAh yes, I know. I just called people on this in another thread. But think about this: There was absolutely no reason for Triple H to go over tonight. But he did anyway.
-Jag
(sighs) Yeah, Triple H was dominant.
That Brock Lesnar belt shot to Undertaker made HHH look like a legend. People need to back off of Triple H. I can't exactly list a million reasons why Undertaker should have won that match. Especially now that we know they won't actually be getting a title shot. All that match did was continue to get Lesnar more heel heat by screwing Taker and allowed for the rebuilding of HHH's heel character. It's not like Undertaker is ruined now. I know everyone hates Triple H around here, but throwing a fit everytime the guy wins a match is getting old.
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Aren't they looking to build a feud between Brock and Taker? In which case, it makes sense for Taker to lose via Brock's interference. But if Taker loses, that means his opponent wins. It just so happens that his opponent was HHH. Except for that belt shot, I'd say Taker looked pretty dominant in that match, hitting a one handed chokeslam and backdropping out of the pedigree. It may not be putting over a new star, but I don't think that match was all about HHH.
The other thing, though, is this: Molly is now the only one who can jump between both shows. How long do you think until she becomes Smackdown exclusive as well?
Okay, see, to me the Brock/Taker Feud would've been better served to have the guy who he's feuding with actually win the damn #1 Contendership. I would've had no problem with Triple H sticking his nose in it and screwing Taker out of the win (as long as it didn't make Brock look weak). So I dunno, I didn't like the finish of that match. The beltshot was weak, and Triple H going over gave the first, WTF?! moment followed closely by the second one. Which was of course, No More Undisputed Champion. Or at least that's how it came out on my tv set.
-Jag
"You gotta hate somebody before this is over. Them, me, it doesn't matter."
"Hate, who do I hate? You tell me."
"Who do you love?"
-Wintermute to Case in William Gibson's Neuromancer
The Raw main event was a no-win situation, period. Everybody's complaining because PoocHHHie went over, but would anybody have been happy if Undertaker had gone over? I'll bet you just as many people would be complaining if Undertaker had gone over.
As for PoocHHHie going over again, I think that the only way he'll actually get a shot at the title is if they're actually stupid enough to turn Brock face. Let's hope that doesn't happen. They've spent so much time building the man up as an "Ivan Drago"-type invincible heel. It shouldn't be wasted just because PoocHHHie needs to be in the main event.
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And that's the bottom line, because it's false! It's DAMN false!
Originally posted by JaguarOkay, see, to me the Brock/Taker Feud would've been better served to have the guy who he's feuding with actually win the damn #1 Contendership. I would've had no problem with Triple H sticking his nose in it and screwing Taker out of the win (as long as it didn't make Brock look weak). So I dunno, I didn't like the finish of that match. The beltshot was weak, and Triple H going over gave the first, WTF?! moment followed closely by the second one. Which was of course, No More Undisputed Champion. Or at least that's how it came out on my tv set.
-Jag
My question is this: why is everyone even assuming there's going to be a Brock/Taker feud? I mean, as of this moment, it's not even logistically possible. Brock's on Smackdown, Taker's on Raw. Steph gets to book Brock, she's not giving Taker a title shot, that's for sure. Taker COULD jump, but it doesn't really fit the "loyalty" part of his gimmick. And I didn't get the no more Undisputed Champion vibe, I got the no more Undisputed Champion ON RAW vibe. Brock's still the Undisputed Champion, he's just not going to show up on Raw. Eventually, someone will step in and MAKE him go to Raw or the man that beats him for the title will go to Raw, etc.
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One can surmise so much after the final 5 minutes of RAW....
We have a few weeks between now and the next PPV and anything can happen. I won't care if Brock becomes Smackdown exclusive and gives guys like Edge, Eddy, or Benoit title shots. But of course, that doesn't leave much for the heavyweights on RAW to do.
That's why I'm sure something will play out and Brock will HAVE to be over on RAW. Knowing Undertaker and HHH, do you REALLY think they are going to be sitting on RAW without chances for the belt, while Brock keeps it over on Smackdown. Hell nah...
I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch over this. It'll all play out.
I doubt it. He was over last night, no matter what anyone says. I sa his entrance get booed like crazy. And, sure, that promo didn't elicit the mega heat his entrance did, he did well.
You ever notice how girls who wore lots of make-up and were considered goog looking or doable in high school, AIN'T that good lookin' a few years after you've graduated? Still doable though. Oh yeah. MORE doable. Hehe.
RVD has the Intercontinental belt exclusively on RAW, while Lesnar has the World title exclusively on Smackdown. What would make sense is if they tried to merge the two titles somehow, with the Intercontinental title acting as the RAW heavyweight title.
I'm not sure I am thrilled about the idea, but it at least makes some sense.
Anyway.....
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I think it's interesting because wrestling is a very "handed" thing. You always work armbars and stuff of the left arm. You do the "Iblockyourpunchyoudon'tblockmine" with the left hand blocking and the right hand hitting.