dr wagner jr
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|  #1 Posted on 21.10.03 1612.45 | Instant Rating: 2.64 | This one goes for our angry finland visitor…
Man, the history of the modern civilizations has been ruled by the use of force, the modern men are sociable because of need, but the brute force has been used since the beginning, its an univversal law. The strongest or the smartest win.
In some places this brute force its now named professional wrestling. In some places, like my country, wrestling has become a sort of folklore ideology …here the masked luchadores are well recognized athlethes…
These men are not highlight stars like the soccer players, but all the people here can name at least one luchador name: El Santo…He was an actor, he was a public figure..and oh yes! he was the best wrestler of mexico too!
in some cases are folklore…
in some cases are comedy..
But Its entertainment man!
That’s whats all about...
Long live to the board...united we stand!
cheers
wagner jr
There's no man in Earth strong enough to hold a Wagner Drive!!
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|  #2 Posted on 21.10.03 2053.25 | Instant Rating: 6.11 | Deep. Very deep. Strange but it seems that wrestling is taken much more serious in countries that are less violent than our own.
I've always thought of it as cathartic. (Cathartic means that it's emotionally healthy to experience emotions along with the characters of a play - not a word used much these days) We can get the violence out of our systems. It's different from other violence on TV. It's partly real. The danger is real. The blood is real.
You know that the actors in a movie are in minimal danger, no matter how bloody the fight scenes get. You know that wrestlers aren't really trying to hurt one another - but they could, and there is always some pain.
Competely off topic, but how can masked luchadores be well recognized? They wear masks! jejeje
Very polemic post, by the way.
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| #3 Posted on 21.10.03 2241.16 | Instant Rating: 2.48 |
Competely off topic, but how can masked luchadores be well recognized? They wear masks! jejeje
Very polemic post, by the way.
Come on Lotus, you know what i mean when i said that mexican wrestlers can be well recognized here, the CHARACTERS can be well recognized...this characters with the time became legends... ..the mask here symbolize many things...the most important its respect,
when a masked luchador lose his mask, if the guy isnt good enough, his career its finish...
I agree with you, the danger its real, as a matter a fact , in Mexico some luchadores died in the ring, a suitable case its the death of Oro, a young man in his early 20's who died after he flight out of the ring (in a mexican air style) and his head hit directly the ground...
Can you imagine the loss? imagine that this guy could it be as good as Rey Misterio..The deaths here are less than mitical facts...but the danger its real...the fights are more fierce than in US...you will never see a pretty face like Test here, because the faces of this wrestlers are full of scars..
I disagree Lotus, wrestling here is taken less serious than you think because its considered a sport for the masess, but as i mencionated before...here the lucha libre its FOLKLORE, its KITSCH and its part of the popular culture...
i know that usually wwe offers a lot of CRAP
but the danger its real..
cheers !
(Except for Lotus Megani )
Wagner jr
Jus kidding
There's no man in Earth strong enough to hold a Wagner Drive!!
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|  #4 Posted on 21.10.03 2252.18 | Instant Rating: 5.15 | Your English is getting better!
You guys have a lot of pretty faces, I mean Super Porky is beautiful.
The danger is real and I think, as wrestling fans, we often take the wrestlers for granted. Even more then us, I think the writers and bookers take them for granted. They're all incredibly tough individuals and they don't like to show their pain. So the writers may just think that those gimmick matches they book don't injure them THAT much when they really do.
I think the Lucha style is a lot safer then the American style. That's why you see guys working well into their 50's and 60's on a regular basis. The bumps are a lot softer and the style is safer for the most part. There's still the guys that take the wacky risks and that's why they're risks because one slip and they could land on their head. | dr wagner jr
Chorizo
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| #5 Posted on 21.10.03 2333.40 | Instant Rating: 2.48 | Originally posted by fuelinjected
Your English is getting better!
You guys have a lot of pretty faces, I mean Super Porky is beautiful.
Hey Thanks a lot! My english teacher told me that i should practice my writtings in a forum with simple topics, thats why i decided join the board...anyway, you guys are great!
Super Porky its horrible! its our equivalent to Dusty Rhodes or Rikishi...
The Lucha Style is NOW safer than the American Style...but hey, this is in the recent years, in the Mexican Arena we ALWAYS have blood, at least in the mask vs mask or hair vs hair matches the wrestlers always battle until they bleed or get the head of the other guy open...
We could open a debate about wich style its better, many of the superstars in the wwe have make his run in mexico, as a matter a fact, Jericho, Benoit and Val Venis fought here, they make a short career until they lose the mask! (Jericho as Lion Heart, Benoit as Pegasuss kid and Venis as Steel)...Rey, Eddie and Ultimo still have a very good charisma here...
I still remember that glorius day when Canek, the mayan prince won a tittle (i think a nwa tittle) against Hulk Hogan in mexico city....
What we see in WWE this days, its the amalgam of many different styles..moves and techniques that requires hours and hours of training to avoid danger and pain..
cheers
wagner jr
There's no man in Earth strong enough to hold a Wagner Drive!!
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| #6 Posted on 22.10.03 0856.42 | Instant Rating: 1.73 | Originally posted by dr wagner jr
...you will never see a pretty face like Test here
Did you just call Test a *pretty* face?!? o_O
(edited by whatever on 22.10.03 0957)
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| #7 Posted on 22.10.03 1105.06 | Instant Rating: 6.03 | Handsome, yes. "Pretty" would be more like Shannon Moore, Jeff Hardy, Jericho to some degree. You know - twinks.
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| #8 Posted on 22.10.03 1509.03 | Instant Rating: 6.00 | Originally posted by LotusMegami
Handsome, yes. "Pretty" would be more like Shannon Moore, Jeff Hardy, Jericho to some degree. You know - twinks.
Ahem. How could you forget the prettiest of pretty boys, Spanky? I mean seriously, some times he looks more girly than me!
Anyway, as far as loving wrestling, I have always found it so silly and ridiculous that I can't stop watching. It appeals to me on the same level as cheesy horror movies. Throw in amazing physical ability and great theatrics and I am set! | ThreepMe
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| #9 Posted on 22.10.03 1526.57 | Instant Rating: 5.55 | Originally posted by Toast Jr
Originally posted by LotusMegami
Handsome, yes. "Pretty" would be more like Shannon Moore, Jeff Hardy, Jericho to some degree. You know - twinks.
Ahem. How could you forget the prettiest of pretty boys, Spanky? I mean seriously, some times he looks more girly than me!
Anyway, as far as loving wrestling, I have always found it so silly and ridiculous that I can't stop watching. It appeals to me on the same level as cheesy horror movies. Throw in amazing physical ability and great theatrics and I am set!
Great theatrics might be stretching it a bit.
But I love it none the less. Even though sometimes I have to figure out which wine to drink with all the cheese.
I would like to congatulate Al Snow on his contact with La-Z-Boy. Because we all know Al doesn't sell chairs. - Mick Foley
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| #10 Posted on 22.10.03 1610.19 | Instant Rating: 0.18 | | (deleted by CRZ on 25.10.03 0045) | seba
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|  #11 Posted on 22.10.03 1652.52 | hey wagner....ofcourse the wrestlers are well recognized here in finland too and they show WWE Raw and smackdown every sunday on national television. Yes its great entertainment....for kids around 7 and for people who cant think with their brains. and then I come here and see all these teenagers and grown upps threads about wrestling...it made me laugh.....really. and the thing that disturbes me most is that many americans consider wrestling as a sport!?!!....sport means competition. that athletes compete against each other and the best of them win. so how can anyobody call wrestling a sport?? wrestling is just soap opera for gays.
and ofcourse...as u all guess..im that same finnish guy
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Chorizo
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| #12 Posted on 22.10.03 1717.27 | Instant Rating: 2.48 | Why are you so Angry man?
Its entertainment my friend!
That’s whats all about...
And if you think that its fake try to receive a chokeslam, a sweet chin music or a spear without scream or drop a tear..
I don know...
life its raw enough to take all the things serriously...
If you like it, get it...
if you dont, let it go...
cheers
wagner jr
There's no man in Earth strong enough to hold a Wagner Drive!!
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| #13 Posted on 22.10.03 1722.20 | Instant Rating: 1.22 | | (deleted by CRZ on 25.10.03 0046) | LotusMegami
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| #14 Posted on 22.10.03 1742.37 | Instant Rating: 6.03 | Now I remember jujitsu class, when I was just in high school. And that was a dojo that Stu would have approved of. I remember how much the falls hurt.
These men and women put their bodies on the line night after night, just to entertain fans who too often do not appreciate it. Whatever you might think of a wrestler personally, remember that they are all taking risks and fighting through pain. For us.
Ok, maybe some of them are thinking about the money. Maybe some are taking less risks than others. But they all deserve some respect from the fans. Or at least some caring.
Up until recently, I didn't really care for Test. Why? Because he apparently had so little charisma that he can do no better than...well, you've watched the show, you know what I'm talking about. Then I saw him walk out to the ring with a broken foot. And then take a stunner. While crippled. Maybe I'm too soft for a wrestling fan. But I can't help but care.
Don't let the trolls get to you people. Plenty of Americans think it's silly for adults to watch cartoons, right? That's for 7 year olds. But I've seen Japanimation as deep as anything I've ever seen made in the U.S. Stuff I wouldn't let my kids watch, by the way, if I had kids. I look at wrestling the same way. I get made fun of the same way. Who knows, maybe that means we're onto something here.
By the way, dr wagner jr - will you be my best friend?
Sincerly,
Lotus
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Chorizo
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| #15 Posted on 22.10.03 1801.53 | Instant Rating: 2.48 | That's the smartest answer that i have seen today ..
I loved the link you did between cartoons and wrestling...i feel the same too.
It Ok Lotus,
I have no regrets with you...
everything cool
cheers
Wagner jr
There's no man in Earth strong enough to hold a Wagner Drive!!
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| #16 Posted on 23.10.03 0143.38 | hey i dont dissrespect the wrestlers....only the writers of wwe and all those fanatical fans. thats all...the wrestlers are doing a great job and most of them are great performers.
I just think that the people who write those storylines in WWE are totally stupid. why are they writing that shit??...their just so fucking obvious...my dog (if i had one) could come up with better storylines.....i mean the whole wrestling idea is great. they could make it the best entertaining (after porn) in the world. so why do they keep writing that crap?....is that what u americans really whant to see? | Kevintripod
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| #17 Posted on 23.10.03 0351.38 | Instant Rating: 3.40 | Originally posted by seba
my dog (if i had one) could come up with better storylines
I do....and he does.
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