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#1 Posted on
I know this was covered a little ways back, but reading the Hogan/Russo shoot thread made me think about it again.

What's the deal with the WCW title? Is the belt that Jericho carries around the original that Flair bought to replace the NWA title? And which belt was given to Hogan as the "Hulk Hogan Memorial championship" by Russo? I thought Flair sold his to WCW after he carried it around the WWF in '91, didn't he? Or does he still own his original belt? Also, I hear references to the "bent" WCW title belt, and a "shiny" one. What's up with that? Have they gone through several of them, or just a couple? Any clarification on the linegae of the belts will be much appreciated. Thanks!
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I know this was covered a little ways back, but reading the Hogan/Russo shoot thread made me think about it again.

What's the deal with the WCW title? Is the belt that Jericho carries around the original that Flair bought to replace the NWA title? And which belt was given to Hogan as the "Hulk Hogan Memorial championship" by Russo? I thought Flair sold his to WCW after he carried it around the WWF in '91, didn't he? Or does he still own his original belt? Also, I hear references to the "bent" WCW title belt, and a "shiny" one. What's up with that? Have they gone through several of them, or just a couple? Any clarification on the linegae of the belts will be much appreciated. Thanks!


My memory's a bit fuzzy, but..

The NWA bought Flair the Big Gold Belt (TM) that we recognize as the WCW title back in (I believe) 1988, when they began to separate themselves from the NWA (which took place fully in January 1991). WCW bought the belt back from Flair in 1991 when Flair jumped to the WWF.

From 1991 to sometime in 1999-2000, they used that same belt, through the beltshots, nWo spraypainting, and so forth. Over that course of time, the belt got banged up a bit. (Not as badly as the WCW tag title belts did - by the time they introduced the new belts in 1998, one of the belts was actually missing a side plate). This is the "bent" World title belt, named so because the very top of the belt is very noticeably bent inward. It's pretty easy to see.

Sometime in 1999-2000, they seemingly commissioned a "new" WCW World title belt - same design, same look, just a new casting of the belt. Being new, it was shiny. :)

When the Hogan-Russo shoot took place, supposedly, Russo gave Hogan the "shiny" belt. Jarrett came out in the main event against Booker T wearing the old "bent" World belt again, which was used for at least a while.

As a side note, I know for a fact that when Scott Steiner was WCW World champion, he used one of the cheap "replica" World title belts for at least a few weeks, for no known reason. I know this because I actually own one of the replica World title belts, and the belt Steiner had had the same "stiffness" at the leather joints that mine did, and that the real belt(s) didn't.

I don't *think* they brought back the "bent" belt into use after that, though, but I may be wrong. I believe the belt that Jericho currently has is just another casting of the belt.

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Thanks for clearing that up a bit. My whole WCW memory just gets fuzzy around the whole Russo era. But I think that Flair had the "Big Gold Belt" made a little earlier than '88. It must have been '86 or '87 'cause I seem to recall seeing pictures of Rhodes and Garvin with it. Also, I think that WCW getting the belt back was part of some lawsuit because Flair was calling himself the "Real World's Champion" with the belt on WWF TV. And once they did agree on some kind of settlement they brought it back as the NWA title (and later the International Title). The early 90s WCW title was some generic belt, and was worn by Luger, Sting, Simmons, Vader and Flair. Not until Sting and Flair had their "unification" match in '94 did the Big Gold Belt become known as the WCW title.

And anyone know why Flair spent his own money to have a belt made, anyways? Was the NWA that hard up for money that they couldn't afford it? Did Ric just hate the old, little NWA belt that much? I've never heard any reasoning on this. Just seems odd that a wrestler would get his own belt made. Wonder how much he spent on it.
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Thanks for clearing that up a bit. My whole WCW memory just gets fuzzy around the whole Russo era. But I think that Flair had the "Big Gold Belt" made a little earlier than '88. It must have been '86 or '87 'cause I seem to recall seeing pictures of Rhodes and Garvin with it.

You're right, I'm a moron. Garvin actually won the BGBelt from Flair and had it at Starrcade '87. Checking back, I believe he got it sometime in 1986.

Also, I think that WCW getting the belt back was part of some lawsuit because Flair was calling himself the "Real World's Champion" with the belt on WWF TV.

Right - WCW sued the WWF over using the belt, and Flair over having it in the first place. As a result of the settlement, Flair was given a new belt, which was a replica of the belt, but colorized somewhat, and Flair sold it back to WCW for about $20-30K. You may have seen the "colorized" belt again in '94 in Flair's possession between the August Clash and Halloween Havoc. WCW ended up suing the WWF again over the colorized belt still being similar to theirs, so they just gave Flair a tag belt instead.

And once they did agree on some kind of settlement they brought it back as the NWA title (and later the International Title).

Right. Once they had the belt back and WCW rejoined the NWA, it was used as the NWA title belt.

The early 90s WCW title was some generic belt, and was worn by Luger, Sting, Simmons, Vader and Flair. Not until Sting and Flair had their "unification" match in '94 did the Big Gold Belt become known as the WCW title.

Which was weird - Flair was WCW World champion when he won the WCW Intl. title. They never really explained why they used the BGBelt afterward (although the reason was obvious - the BGBelt was what Flair considered "his belt".)

And anyone know why Flair spent his own money to have a belt made, anyways? Was the NWA that hard up for money that they couldn't afford it? Did Ric just hate the old, little NWA belt that much? I've never heard any reasoning on this. Just seems odd that a wrestler would get his own belt made. Wonder how much he spent on it.

If I recall, the NWA had the belt made for Flair to replace the old belt and give him something impressive-looking. The NWA also owed Flair a buncha money from contract bonuses, and the worth of the belt was more or less even to the amount they owed..so they just gave Flair the belt outright in exchange for waiving the payments.

This might also help explain why Flair was so picky about who he lost the NWA title to back then - it was HIS belt that was changing hands! :)

Mike, who *liked* the WCW World title belt..



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#5 Posted on
Thanks again!
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#6 Posted on
More the reason I liked The Nature Boy. He was willing to give up what's actually his, what he really owned, for the good of the business.

Many of you may be Rock haters, but I see the Rock as similar to Flair in this regard, not being afraid to job for the good of the company. If it weren't for the fact that The Rock is going to be the next major movie star and will quit the wrestling business when he establishes movie stardom, many fans in later years would put him in the same breath as Flair.
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#7 Posted on
At this point, I wanna know what happens to that WCW World Title after "THE SPLIT".




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#8 Posted on
Well, I'm not sure about the split, but as I mentioned in the Russo/Hogan shoot thread, maybe Hogan will have some claim to the title. I mean, he does have a version of the WCW belt and all. Plus, he was never beaten for that belt. Maybe he could be declared the champion of McMahon's half of the WWF. What that would mean for the *other* WCW title, I have no idea. I guess it might be too confusing to more casual fans, but it's one way they could go. OK, my head hurts now.

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Excuse my ignorance Im just a little confused here. I was always under the impression that each fed had more than one copy of each belt. I mean the belt in essence is a prop, I didnt know there was just one.I didnt even think that the champion carried the belt between cities. I though that the WWF had prop people that took care of the belts with all the rest of the gear. I always figured that belts were replaced when they got beat up, or at least thouroughly cleaned and maintained. When a wrestler who is a champion does a public appearance I figured that the fed would want a nice shiny belt on display to fans who saw it up close.

Something that else that confused me is I was under the impression that when a guy in WWF won a belt the first time he or she was given the belt or a replica that was engraved or something like that. Case in point, Mick Foley during was of his promos late last year said he still has the smelly world title that he won in 98 or 99 still in his closet and that it was one of his prize possesions. Also when MTV did a cribs episode at Chyna's house she had a IC title (a very shiny one) in a glass case on display in her living room. Anyway it just doesnt make sense to me that A multi million dollar wrestling fed would let the symbol of excellence in their fed look like shit.....



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#10 Posted on
Chyna probably had an exact copy. Probably Foley as well, don't know about that..
Also, all the 'belt going through that many hands' discussion was about NWA/WCW titles. Perhaps the WWF handles it differently?

I can imagine though that having a belt that has been held before by so many 'legends' can add to the belt itself.
You are holding a bit of tradition.

And finally, the wrestlers are supposed to keep track of the belts themselves, I think.
I once saw a WWF magazine article with Austin hauling it around in his bag.
I also remember reading once that Lance Storm was without his 'Canadian' US title and he and Lash Leroux quickly made a drawing of the canadian flag to put on top of the Cruiserweight title so he could use that one as a sub for the night. The reason he didn't have it was because he had given it to wcw crew after the previous night and didnt know he was supposed to take it along himself..




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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    Excuse my ignorance Im just a little confused here. I was always under the impression that each fed had more than one copy of each belt. I mean the belt in essence is a prop, I didnt know there was just one.I didnt even think that the champion carried the belt between cities.


It was my understanding that once you become champ, your responsible for the belt, carrying it around and everything. I'm sure not "every" wrestler adheres to this but some still do.

There was rumor going around about Juvi pawning a belt for XPW or one of those indy promotions, then when he went to some other promotion and won thier title and they were like "Uhh, Thats OK we'll hold on to it". I forgot were I read this and I'm to lazy to look. Its either here or on onlineonslaught
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#12 Posted on
piecing together stories:

xwf handles their belts "prop department" style. there was a tiff between then and juvi where they were accusing him of trying to steal the belt and use it as wwa's cruiser title. the report i read said he was being shadey about handing it over to a company official after their tapings. ("I don't know where it is." "Dude, it's sticking out of your bag." "This is not the belt you're looking for." :waves hand:)

when meng/haku went to the wwf, he was still wcw hardcore champion. after he left, he gave the belt to the barbarian to deliver to wcw. chris benoit had the wcw title at least once he was in the building at his last nitro. he threw the belt on russo's desk and said something like "i didn't even want this". mike awesome and medussa were both in posession of their titles when they jumped to wcw from ecw and the wwf.

if a wcw champ wasn't going to be champ for long, the name plate wouldn't change. i noticed this during one of the times macho man beat someone at a ppv and dropped the belt to hogan during the next nitro. after nash won the belt from goldberg, he pointed out the name plate still said goldberg. of course he gave the belt to hogan that night, so maybe having the name of someone he didn't beat on the belt is a hogan thing. stranger things have happened.

there was an "ask the rick" or "ask the torch" question about this. iirc, whomever answered said the feds gave their champs copies to keep. i don't know if this is the belt they actually use during their title run.



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#13 Posted on
I would mark out if Hogan shows up at N.W.O. with the Shiny Belt, since he never actually "lost" the WCW title. Ok, Ok, this is just my sneaky way of getting Jeff Jarret hired.



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and there's nothing wrong with that!



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#15 Posted on
I always found it useful to keep an eye on the name plate of the WCW belt too. I'm pretty sure Booker had his name on it upon entering the WWF, and then about a week before he faced the Rock at Summerslam it was gone (It may have been taken off when he lost the belt to Angle for a few days- I'm not sure). I figured then that it was a sure thing that he would be dropping the title to the Rock, which he did.

Anybody know if they have Jericho's name on the belt?

I always thought that whoever had the WWF title was carrying around a new belt each time. It just looks like a belt that is easily mass produced (especially the pre-Austin one that Hogan, Hart, Michaels, Yoko and those guys had).
On the other hand, I thought it was different in the NWA/WCW because the belt was so extravagant. I always heard the stories of it being "Flair's belt" so I figured there was only one.

Anybody remember that story from about a year and a half ago when WCW management couldn't find the belt like a half hour before Nitro started. Funny stuff.

And speaking of title belts- what is up with that IC title? That thing is awful! The old IC belt was my favorite in all of wrestling, and when they gave Rock that new, little one in 1998 I was hoping it would only be temporary. It's weird that they changed that one, but kept the tag titles pretty much the same.
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#16 Posted on
Jericho does indeed have his name on the WCW World title belt, and did since his first reign. In fact, Jericho actually gave Rock's nameplate back to Rock in a backstage bit after his first title win.

They usually did make a new nameplate when a WCW wrestler won the World belt, but apparently it's whether the wrestler wants it changed or not - I remember reading an interview with Big Show saying that the day after he won the belt in '96, he got the plate changed.

They did occasionally leave it on for storyline purposes - I remember when Flair beat Savage in '96, they left the "MACHO MAN" plate on it - the reason given was that Flair left it on just to tweak Savage a bit more.

And yes, the current IC title stinks.

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#17 Posted on
About hat Foley/Chyna thing.

From what I hear from someone who was a freind of a certian WWF Superstar, Whomever is a champion is responsible form the belt and where it goes.

They are fined if they loose the belt.

Case in point: Val Venis

Remember when Val was European Champion? Well early in his title rein he lost the belt... litteraly. So for a majority of Val's rein he carried around an old Intercontinental belt untill a new European title belt was made.

Another side-note, whenever a WWF superstar wins a belt, they usualy also get a replaca belt for home display.

So; Undertaker, Autin, Rock, HHH, Hogan, Savage, Slaghter, Big Show, Kane, and any other former WWF Champion, probaly has a copy of the WWF Title in their house somewhere.






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#18 Posted on
I always thought that the WWF had folks keep track of the belts (and their outfits and other props) to keep the "independent contractor" status instead of being actual employees. I don't know if it would be for legal purposes or just for psychological purposes though. I'd guess the later.

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