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Thinking about this as a gift for somebody with a large collection of vinyl records of all ages that aren't available on DVD -- wondered if anybody has any experience:

I've seen a couple of "USB Turntables" recently in catalogs. There are several available on Amazon (amazon.com) at do-able prices. Anybody know if these are any good? How's the resulting sound quality for a super-audophile? Is it worthwhile? I'd say the requirements are #1) sound quality, & #2) easy.

There's an older thread here (The W) that talks about cabling the receiver's output to a sound input on the computer & winging it from there, but that's always been to much of a logistical nightmare to happen.
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A few years ago, I was transfering a whole bunch of my vinyl to mp3s and all I did was jury rig the record players speaker output lines into the computer.

I then recorded using Musicmatch Jukebox.

The quality was pretty good. The recorder picked up every pop and cackle reom the records and when played loud enough, the Mp3s sound exactly like the records played on my crappy record player.

I was happy and it was easy to set up.

There are some sound editing programs you can get to take out the pops and cackles, if that is what you want to do, but then it won't sound like a record anymore.
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My father has one, I'll check with him and see which one, that he really likes. Sound quality is as good as the original source material, which means we've spent a lot of time with Audacity (audacity.sourceforge.net) cleaning up some of the more obnoxious artifacts from some of the older music in his collection. His major objection with his is that it only records at the original speed which means it does take a lot of time to deal with even a fairly small collection.

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There's also plugins for the more expensive programs that can clean up the pops and such. Dunno about Audacity, but hey, it's free. In theory, anything that can record for the entire length of the album should work just fine.

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emma: Thinking about this as a gift for somebody with a large collection of vinyl records of all ages that aren't available on DVD -- wondered if anybody has any experience:

I've seen a couple of "USB Turntables" recently in catalogs. There are several available on Amazon (amazon.com) at do-able prices. Anybody know if these are any good? How's the resulting sound quality for a super-audophile? Is it worthwhile? I'd say the requirements are #1) sound quality, & #2) easy.


It's not worth it. As mentioned, it's easy to do, but there is a good reason for having vinyl and a kick ass stereo to listen to - that sound and vibe can't be translated to digital. I transferred a couple dozen albums and gave up.

If you want to try it, do one record and listen then listen to the disc. If everyone is happy with the result, by all means continue. And then sell the records to ME!

I like the convenience of digital, but for the sound, cracks and all, I'd take vinyl any day of the week

Example - I just picked up still in the wrapper vinyl versions of Appetite for Destruction and Blood on the Tracks. Incredible. Maybe buy a record cabinet?

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by emma
    There are several available on Amazon (amazon.com) at do-able prices. Anybody know if these are any good? How's the resulting sound quality for a super-audophile?


Digitizing your vinyl collection means forfeiting your super-audiophile membership card.

    Originally posted by emma
    There's an older thread here (The W) that talks about cabling the receiver's output to a sound input on the computer & winging it from there, but that's always been to much of a logistical nightmare to happen.


The is relatively easy to do, but I would never consider doing this with a standard mini-jack line input. I would only consider this if I had an audio card with independently balanced stereo inputs. Otherwise, the introduction of grounding or electrical hum is almost a certainty.

I haven't dabbled in the USB audio world. I know they had some initial problems because USB wasn't really designed for audio, but I assume they've worked these things out. I tend to drift more toward Firewire anyway, but that might just be a bit passé.

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    There's also plugins for the more expensive programs that can clean up the pops and such. Dunno about Audacity, but hey, it's free. In theory, anything that can record for the entire length of the album should work just fine.



Audacity is great for on the fly, low fidelity recording and editing. But frankly, I don't trust the converters. I've had Audacity do some odd things to my source material. For example, despite the preferences being set to 16 bit, Audacity always seems to want to use 32-bit sessions when I import a .wav. In order to get back to 16 bits, I have to convert it. That's just a waste, and I'm sure it's affecting the overall quality.

It might be nitpicking, but if you spend hours editing you kind of want to know what going on.

Edit: I just realized that your turntable probably won't have balanced outputs (off hand, I can't think of a brand that does), so you probably don't need a soudcard with individually balanced inputs. But I still wouldn't use the standard mini-jack input.




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I'm sure someone else mentioned this somewhere - but your turntable input on your amplifier most likely has a pre-amp on it due to the very low signals compared to what you would get out of a CD player. Your best bet is probably to take your output from the amplifier from the tape out jacks if you absolutely have to do this.




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Costco sells this Ion USB turntable (costco.com) for about $100. We have one (got it as a gift, actually) but I haven't tried setting it up yet. It's on the "to do" list. ;-)

I also bought myself a USB pre-amp to use with a REAL turntable, and used it....maybe once in the two years I had it. I just end up having other things to do for some reason.

I'm hopeful that when we finally, FINALLY unpack the records I will get inspired, because there's a lot of stuff I need to listen to (and maybe the world needs to listen to it as well!)

(I have all sorts of opinions on this which will have to wait for some other time.)



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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I'm hopeful that when we finally, FINALLY unpack the records I will get inspired.


Good luck with that! We moved six years ago and the records haven't been unpacked yet.




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    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by CRZ
      I'm hopeful that when we finally, FINALLY unpack the records I will get inspired.


    Good luck with that! We moved six years ago and the records haven't been unpacked yet.
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How about a program that will put the pops and crackles onto MP3s? Does one exist?



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Thanks everybody for the input! That is the kind of feedback I was looking for. I can see the "just don't seem to get around to doing it" happening here too. Sounds like if I do decide to get one, I'd be best off getting a low-cost version, & not have big expectations of it getting used. (Hey, good to know!)

And incidentally, the kick-ass turntable, stereo & vinyl will never go away. The digital version would be as a portable & damage-safe alternative, & as backup. That shouldn't void the super-audiophile membership, should it? :-)
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    Originally posted by emma
    Thanks everybody for the input! That is the kind of feedback I was looking for. I can see the "just don't seem to get around to doing it" happening here too. Sounds like if I do decide to get one, I'd be best off getting a low-cost version, & not have big expectations of it getting used. (Hey, good to know!)



As I was thinking about this, there yet one more option - a stand-alone CD recorder. The main problem with these is the price, as most decent ones are over $250.

The advantage, however, is two fold. Most of these have the ability to mark tracks on the fly. That is, you simply push a button rather to start a new track rather than go through an editing program like Audacity. And second, you only rip to MP3 those CD back ups that you are certain you want on your portable device - while still having a CD backup of everything

It is not the cost efficient option - but it's probably the easiest and less time consuming one.

    Originally posted by emma
    And incidentally, the kick-ass turntable, stereo & vinyl will never go away. The digital version would be as a portable & damage-safe alternative, & as backup. That shouldn't void the super-audiophile membership, should it? :-)


While I certainly don't fit into this category, I do know people who, if you were to tell them you were backing up your vinyl collection, would wonder where you could possibly fit second copies of all those records.





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