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From 411wrestling via the Torch:


    According to sources, Vince Russo’s major idea to book in WWE was to have an invasion of Raw by Eric Bischoff, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Mick Foley, and possibly Scott Steiner. Shawn Michaels would also have been involved had he not joined nWo.

    Russo could then have taken over Raw, and renamed in WCW Nitro to completely split the brands. Russo would book Raw, and the older writers would book Smackdown.

    He did not reveal this plan until after he was hired, for fear that the idea would be stolen from him and pawned off as someone else’s idea without him getting hired or any credit.

    When Russo proposed this and his other booking ideas, Triple H, Stephanie McMahon and others pushed for Russo to be demoted.

    Credit: Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter


I would be interested in hearing why it was shot down. Maybe money, but it's not like this was an absolutely rediculous idea.



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but it would be a smack in the face of Vinman's invasion and we all know that his ego is too big for Ru's invasion to have a chance...





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Ignoring sundry inevitable political speculations:

1. Goldberg is apparently doing everything in his power not to get hired and Bret Hart seems an unlikely recruit what with... well, everything. Neither necessarily mean much of anything to many modern WWE fans, and the same can be said for Bischoof, Stiener, and Micheals.

2. The WCW name in and of itself has little if any drawing power left. It's dead, buried, and the earth above it salted so nothing will grow. If this wasn't the case at the time of Vince's purchase, it was by the end of the failed Invasion angle.

3. Renaming your flagship show after your former competition (whom you have previously trained your audience to hold in utter contempt) and giving control of it to a thoroughly unreliable commodity like Russo isn't so much jumping the shark sticking your head straight down its throat and hoping for the best.

Not saying it couldn't have possibly worked, but I think odds are it would have done more harm then good.


    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    From 411wrestling via the Torch:


      According to sources, Vince Russo’s major idea to book in WWE was to have an invasion of Raw by Eric Bischoff, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Mick Foley, and possibly Scott Steiner. Shawn Michaels would also have been involved had he not joined nWo.

      Russo could then have taken over Raw, and renamed in WCW Nitro to completely split the brands. Russo would book Raw, and the older writers would book Smackdown.

      He did not reveal this plan until after he was hired, for fear that the idea would be stolen from him and pawned off as someone else’s idea without him getting hired or any credit.

      When Russo proposed this and his other booking ideas, Triple H, Stephanie McMahon and others pushed for Russo to be demoted.

      Credit: Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter


    I would be interested in hearing why it was shot down. Maybe money, but it's not like this was an absolutely rediculous idea.





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Remember that they were going to make RAW into Nitro? Ad remember why that bombed? Cause no one cares about Nitro, or they remember how much it sucked for the longest while.



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What's the point in invading a show with a bunch of non-wrestlers anyways?



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So... he just wanted to pretend he was back on Nitro and do the same shit that killed WCW? Wow. Shocking. I'm surprised VKM (I really hate having to differentiate between which moron named Vince I am referring to) didn’t go for it.

That must have been some book Vinny Ru (ug) was gonna write.




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#7 Posted on
VKM, if you're so desparate for a new booker, just hire me for the job! At lest I wouldn't be any worse then Russo.



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I have a hard time believing that Vince Russo is so stupid as to seriously present as his first idea back with the WWE doing the invasion angle with a bunch of people who it would be almost impossible to get without ultra mondo concessions. I think this is just Vinnie Ru's way of getting back on VKM's payroll without having to do any actual work. Quite brilliant actually...

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“And then we find out that Kevin Nash, in fact, was the one who drove the Hummer-- even though Kevin Nash was also in the limousine at the same time! And Stacey admits that, in fact, Classy Freddy Blassie is the father. And the fake Sting turns out to be Vincent Price.”

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I still refuse to hate on Russo. If that really was his big idea, at least he's trying to go for something halfway interesting.

And another thing: If he did wait until he was officially hired to spring that idea on them and they all hated it, why not just tell him "Naaaaa" and let him try to come up with something else? I mean seriously, if WWE writers started getting demoted for suggesting stupid ideas, there would be no writers left [/obviousjoke].



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#11 Posted on
Heh -- this is just like one of those ridiculous fantasy-booking ideas that the dumb fantasy booker doesn't realize could never actually happen. You know, like when someone like Tommy Fierro says something like, "Matt Hardy comes out and cuts a killer promo." Matt Hardy can't cut killer promos!



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That's the smartest thing Stephanie has ever done.




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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    What's the point in invading a show with a bunch of non-wrestlers anyways?


I ask the same thing about the NWO every week they are on my TV.




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#14 Posted on
Yikes! I guess "he has loss touch with reality" is one way to put it! Hey, why didn't he put Sting and Luger on the list while he was at it. And Jessie Ventura could make his glorious return.

And while we are doing Russo fantasy booking:

"We could have Flair cut a promo announcing that David Arquette winning the title never really happened. It was all just a dream. A terrible, terrible dream! Forced upon the viewers through the evil powers of the Shockmaster!!! And then the Shockmaster will bust through the wall! But this time it will be cool because we won't have him trip!!!!"

And I'm beginning to think more and more that the only reason Russo is on the payroll is to prevent him from releasing his book.
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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    From 411wrestling via the Torch:


      Russo could then have taken over Raw, and renamed in WCW Nitro to completely split the brands. Russo would book Raw, and the older writers would book Smackdown.



And Russo could've come out on Monday night wearing one of Kimberly's old "It's all about MEEEEEEEEEE" halter tops.

'Cause he's from NEW YORK, you know.








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You know, it never suprised me that the WCW invasion failed. Essentially, Vince tried to convince us that the people his company had just destroyed because we didn't care were actually people we SHOULD care about and were about to destroy HIM. WTF?

The only moment (besides Lance Storm's first run-in) that made me get out of my seat was the ECW reunion. Though ECW had a smaller fanbase, it had a FANATICALLY LOYAL fanbase. Personally, I would have watched the Invasion unfold with great interest if ECW had stayed separate from WCW. I would have watched ECW RAW every week.

Anything WCW touches dies. Sad but true. Call it the curse of Arquette if you will.

Actually, I would still love to see a re-invasion by ECW. Maybe they could explain it with some legal hitches in the Alliance format that kept them separate or something. Maybe I just want to see Sabu beat X-Pac into a bloody lump.



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Wonderful idea. Funniest thing I have read all week.





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#18 Posted on
I wonder what will come of Russo...what will he come up with that will eventually make it's way to WWE programming?

What the WWE could use is a Saturday Night program, similar to the WCW Saturday night. Showcase the younger stars, build up a fanbase, entertain the crowds!

Maybe Russo could book that. Well, maybe not.



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#19 Posted on
The Invasion could have worked, VKM just didn't want to make the Alliance look like a real threat. He didn't realize that they all were WWF so if the Alliance won or got a few victories, it didn't matter. He wanted the WWF to always look strong. The O'Haire/Palumbo run-in was awesome, then they got beat down. Why?

VKM totally dropped the ball and he totally believes that it was a lack of Goldberg and Nash that made it a failure. It was VKM's lack of actually giving us a good storyline is whe made it a failure.

With that said, I think that Russo's idea would have never worked. I think what he was trying to do more than anything else was get his own show. He should have known that wasn't going to work. Another Invasion after WWE dropped the ball on the first one was not a good idea, at all.



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#20 Posted on
Yeah, mever mind asking the fans if they care to see Nitro again. Just do it. That's how to book. Go for the quick fix by turning everything on its head. Wow, what genius.
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