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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Just for the sake of argument, let's say that Vince did grope that woman and he admitted to doing it. What's the punishment for "manhandling" a woman ? It isn't like he is going to go to jail or anything for doing that. Does he get a slap on the wrist ? A fine anywhere from $50 to $1000 ?

      Just curious.


    As you indicate elsewhere, "slap on the wrist" would seem likely. But it's quite possible there would be a civil suit.


Seriously? Even if true a US court would hear a case of a 60 year old guy grabbing some chicks' ass at the tanning salon?
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by StevieRichards
    I find it hard to believe that Linda or Stephanie would comment on it at all, let alone admit that he was at that salon on that day.



This is interesting. They didn't exactly come out and say that these allegations are completely untrue and that Vince McMahon would never do such a thing, by god. "Totally bizarre" and "I'm not aware something happened" are hardly passionate testimonies to the man's upstanding moral character. These are the two main women in his life, his family, and that's the best they could do?

Didn't some former WWE employee say Vince tried to rape/grope her in a car, or something? Years back?

In any case, as strange as it might seem that a television show could ever possibly be used as evidence, assuming this even gets to the point of going to court, you'd have to consider that Vince's on-air history of perversion might not do him any favours. He could say that's "just a television character", but obviously some of it is rooted in reality, one reference to the push of Eddie Guerrero's ghost verifies that. And for a character, Vince's playboy persona on television sure is odd, seeing as how Vince isn't good-looking or smooth and yet his partners are portrayed as genuinely attracted to him, he has creative control, and insists on love scenes with every female roster member he signs, unless they're virgins or Chyna.

No one can say for sure if this is true, but I don't see how anyone can possibly deny that Vince McMahon is a creepy bastard. And in the court of public opinion, that's sometimes all you need.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
If the allegations are true...



Karma's a bitch, eh Vince?



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    seeing as how Vince isn't good-looking or smooth and yet his partners are portrayed as genuinely attracted to him


I always interpreted it as his female partners sucking up to him to get something out of him, not any real attraction.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.14
jdw posted this link over at tOA, and now I'M posting it HERE!

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pmcmahon02feb02,0,916709.story

This page also has a link to a two minute WPTV report.


(edited by CRZ on 3.2.06 1230)


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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19


At the very end of the article, we see this:

"Boca Raton police have to get McMahon's side of the story before prosecutors determine whether there is enough evidence to file charges."

The article is about an accusation that so far hasn't been proven as credible, much less factual. I work in papers; I'm surprised this is running in such depth without the police even speaking to Vince yet.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    The article is about an accusation that so far hasn't been proven as credible, much less factual. I work in papers; I'm surprised this is running in such depth without the police even speaking to Vince yet.
It's running because Vince is a public figure and the cops were called in, simple as that. Even if someone called the cops and accused Vince of killing her entire family in front of her, that'd be newsworthy -- the police filed a report and Vince is a prominent guy. Of course, it's nearly impossible to libel a public figure in America, so that's not really a concern here, but the papers aren't saying he did anything. Also, McMahon's lawyer commenting, not to mention his wife and daughter, makes it eminently reportable.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.03
Uh, see that article Meltzer linked to (sorry, way to lazy to go get it)
The article mentions that Vince and Linda are reportedly getting a divorce.

Is the reporting shoddy (maybe getting TV and reality confused) or is it true?

It it's true, man oh man, I'll give the over/under on the E surviving at 5 years.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.07
I'm going to shoot holes in this very quickly with the analogy given to me by betweentheropes.com radio show.

Wouldn't he have been busy with the Royal Rumble last Sunday?

Plus, from what the announcers know, that tanning bed place is CLOSED on Sundays.

I smell FISH!



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
    Originally posted by jwrestle
    I'm going to shoot holes in this very quickly with the analogy given to me by betweentheropes.com radio show.

    Wouldn't he have been busy with the Royal Rumble last Sunday?

    Plus, from what the announcers know, that tanning bed place is CLOSED on Sundays.

    I smell FISH!
Why is it so hard to tell Sunday from Saturday?



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#31 Posted on
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by jwrestle
      I'm going to shoot holes in this very quickly with the analogy given to me by betweentheropes.com radio show.

      Wouldn't he have been busy with the Royal Rumble last Sunday?

      Plus, from what the announcers know, that tanning bed place is CLOSED on Sundays.

      I smell FISH!
    Why is it so hard to tell Sunday from Saturday?


The reason there is some confusion with the dates is because one of the original articles incorrectly stated that the date was Sunday. Infact it was Saturday.

I really doubt Vince McMahon will be found guilty of this though. Look what Kobe Bryant and his lawyers were able to accomplish with a little character assassination and some cash.

(edited by blib on 4.2.06 1642)

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
In a case of comedic irony, this whole situation is shockingly similar to the Melina/Batista storyline. Also the Undertaker/playboy model from a few years back as well.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    In a case of comedic irony, this whole situation is shockingly similar to the Melina/Batista storyline. Also the Undertaker/playboy model from a few years back as well.


I don't remember the Undertaker/Playboy model story. Please fill me in.

(edited by Kevintripod on 4.2.06 2239)


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by blib
    Look what Kobe Bryant and his lawyers were able to accomplish with a little character assassination and some cash.


She didn't want to submit to the physical examination, I don't see what that had to do with cash. That was a case of an accuser simply not being credible. Vince's accuser never said it was Sunday, it was Saturday and she waited to report it till Sunday. Time will tell in terms of credibility.



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#35 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by blib
      Look what Kobe Bryant and his lawyers were able to accomplish with a little character assassination and some cash.


    She didn't want to submit to the physical examination, I don't see what that had to do with cash. That was a case of an accuser simply not being credible. Vince's accuser never said it was Sunday, it was Saturday and she waited to report it till Sunday. Time will tell in terms of credibility.


She certainly did get examined. How else would they have found out that she had been injured, and found semen other than Kobe Bryant's. As I remember the case, the Bryant team started to smear her name. I assume they then contacted her, made a finacial offer through back channels. Thats when she became uncooperative. Otherwise Bryant would have never made the statements he did when she left the case. If it was a slam dunk, he would never have been as concilatory as he was.

>>quote But the defense claims that the DNA samples taken during the woman's rape examination indicated that she had sex with other men in the 72-hour period around the incident with Bryant.

They also claim that injuries to the woman's genitals that prosecutors say were caused by Bryant raping her could have been caused by multiple sexual partners in a short space of time.
>>end quote

>>quote Although no mention of a monetary settlement was made, Bryant agreed to negotiate a monetary settlement, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.
>>end quote

>>quote A day after Bryant agreed to a secret settlement with the woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her, US District Judge Richard Matsch in Colorado signed a one-sentence order dismissing the civil lawsuit.
>>end quote

In other words. She was offered money, an appology, and a stop to the character assassination. In turn she gave up on putting the guy in jail and making him unable to ever sell shoes again. End of story.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
Yeah you're right. I do remember hearing about all the different semen. Either way, most people don't get raped and then keep the good times rolling. It certainly hurt her case.

The point I'm trying to make (keeping this on topic), is that Vince's accuser doesn't have a huge credibility problem at this point.



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#37 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Yeah you're right. I do remember hearing about all the different semen. Either way, most people don't get raped and then keep the good times rolling. It certainly hurt her case.

    The point I'm trying to make (keeping this on topic), is that Vince's accuser doesn't have a huge credibility problem at this point.


Actually there was only one other person's semen present. Her boyfriend's. The girl had sex with her boyfriend the day before. Big surprise. She had no credibilty problems. However that didn't stop Bryant's lawyers from insinuating that she did. Thus character assassination. Give a team of high power lawyers a bit of this girls background and I'm sure you'll see the same type of nonsense. It's one of the reasons that many women who are raped don't prosecute. The victim often ends up on trial. There is nothing to stop a bunch of high paid a__holes from twisting the truth to serve their purposes. IE. The insinuation that the plaintiff in the Bryant case had multiple sex partners over the previous 48hrs that caused the damage to her privates, and not Bryant's forcible rape. As for her keeping the good times rolling. Actually no, she went into hiding almost immeadiatly after pressing charges.

You are a perfect example of how character assassination works. Look at how Bryant's defense was able to cloud yours (and probably alot of other peoples) views of the case.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
Okay. We should probably start a Kobe thread. There is no possible way you could know all that. Your view seems as clouded as mine. Accused doesn't mean did it, and if she only slept with her boyfriend what possible character assassination could they portray? It doesn't add up. You're basically saying they decided to pull that idea out of thin air to explain away something with only one logical conclusion, and because money is evil and fame is evil and this girl is an innocent one-dimensional cartoon damsel princess, they won. If it was just her boyfriend, and it was just before the incident, it didn't hurt her case at all and there's no reason for her to drop the charges, especially if she's going to take a cash settlement instead of taking his ass to jail. That only makes her look WORSE. If they attack her so what? They attacked Tyson's accuser too, but she had the fortitude to safeguard society against a sex criminal, which is more important than someone's reputation. You're sounding naive and you obviously want to believe Kobe did it, so I'll quit trying to convince you that there is some small possbility he didn't, but there is at least some possibility he didn't based even on YOUR facts. I'm not the easily snowed buffoon you seem to think I am.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.19
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      In a case of comedic irony, this whole situation is shockingly similar to the Melina/Batista storyline. Also the Undertaker/playboy model from a few years back as well.


    I don't remember the Undertaker/Playboy model story. Please fill me in.

    (edited by Kevintripod on 4.2.06 2239)


I might get some of it a little off but here's how I remember it.

In 2002 after Summerslam, Undertaker moved to the Smackdown roster to feud with Brock Lesnar over the world title. Basically Lesnar and Heyman started playing mind and psychological games with Taker (like Taker used to do with his opponents). They subtly threatened a pregnant Sara Taker.

I forget the lady's name, but I think she was a former Playboy model, and she accused Undertaker either of sexually harassing her or coming onto her. It all turned out to be a big hoax of course. Undertaker at first said he had nothing to do with her before, but later on came clean and said he did have willing relations with her BEFORE he met Sara Taker.

It was later revealed to be a lie, but Lesnar still beat Taker in Hell In The Cell.

The night after, it was no hard feelings from Undertaker since Lesnar beat him fair and square in Taker's own kind of match, and was ruthless just as Taker used to be. It seemed like Taker was going to acknowledge that it would be time for him to retire or he was getting over the hill, but instead Big Show randomly came out and destroyed Undertaker to set up a feud between himself and Lesnar for the world title.

Undertaker and his possible "retirement" angle never went anywhere.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.74
I think with Taker and the model (Traci), she just accused him of cheating on his wife, not of harassing her or anything. Traci was supposed to be his mistress and she couldn't stand the guilt of seeing Taker lie to poor, pregnant Sara. But it was all a nefarious Heyman scheme that was foiled, thankfully, by Stephanie McMahon. Damn that Heyman!
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