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In the latest issue of the Observer, Dave says that Vince gave the ok for a ECW brand PPV set for early 2005. This is not the same as the already planned 2 hour ECW DVD PPV. RVD is said to have suggested it months ago, and just days before Paul was let go from creative, Vince had given the greenlight. Steph and Gerwitz are 100% against the idea, but Vince wants to go ahead with it. Paul Heyman would have little to no creative/production authority for the PPV, as of now. There is also talk of bringing a few ex-ECW talent not currently employed by WWE. The February Smackdown PPV is slated to be JBL vs Big Show in a barbed wire match, where the ECW angle may begin. How this will affect plans for Wrestlemania remains to be seen.
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Sounds interesting, but I don't see the point in doing a one-time only deal wit it. At the very least, it should bring some intrigue to things.

And actually, if this is true, I'm shocked.
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Of course, Vince and Heyman have a strange relationship where one day Vince and Paul see eye-to-eye and the next day McMahon wants nothing to do with Heyman. So who knows where this will end up.

I don't know why this would affect plans for WrestleMania as the deal was it would be a one-time only, special event. It's not like they are permanently bringing back the brand or anything.

And for some sadder news, according to the same article, Vince was said to be planning to make JBL the center of the WWE Title and SmackDown brand for ALL OF 2005! Paul seemed to have convinced him to tone those plans down but, again, you never know what bits of Heyman's advice Vince will stick with.

(edited by OMEGA on 10.12.04 2248)

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For what it's worth, this week's SmackDown's concession stands featured the ECW DVD and t-shirts.



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All things considered, maybe there's a shinning light to the concept; perhaps seeing RVD vs Jerry Lynn one more time (I know know many of you think thier matches were mindless spotfests, but like RVD said himself, that was the best series of matches ECW ever produced). But on the other hand, there's gonna be essentials we probably wont ever see again, like Masato vs Awesome, and Taz vs Sabu. Like someone said earlier, if this angle/PPV can be booked with the same care and integrity we saw on the DVD, this could be the sleeper angle that will take WWE out of it's perpetual rut.
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Well, this is certainly intriguing. I don't exactly know the point of it, especially if this isn't really expected to be long-term. I think it's good that they want to go outside the company to get former ECW guys for it.

The thing I don't get is not letting Heyman have any creative input on the PPV. He knows more about the past of ECW in terms of characters and everything, and if Steph and Brian are 100% against it, how hard are they going to try, in terms of writing it, for this angle (I guess that's what it is) to succeed?



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For the record, I don't think the idea is for this to be an angle. Just a one-night-only special event. I could be wrong, but I don't think this is supposed to be a storyline or anything.



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Am I the only person more excited to see the JBL v Big Show barbed wire match?
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Well, this is certainly intriguing. I don't exactly know the point of it, especially if this isn't really expected to be long-term. I think it's good that they want to go outside the company to get former ECW guys for it.

    The thing I don't get is not letting Heyman have any creative input on the PPV. He knows more about the past of ECW in terms of characters and everything, and if Steph and Brian are 100% against it, how hard are they going to try, in terms of writing it, for this angle (I guess that's what it is) to succeed?


Obviously Heyman at the helm is what's logical, but the ECW DVD had minimal Heyman input, and it turned out to be a damn near masterpiece of a documentary. The odds are that this will be another major letdown, but at this point it's the only thing on the horizon worth looking foward too. \
On a sidenote, dont expect Joey Styles to be a part of it...check out his current rant on 1wrestling shilling TNA as the new ECW.
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I think its gonna be fun to see the build up to JBL/Big Show to warrant a Barbwire match.

I said on another board that if anything Angle/Show warrants a barbwire match due to the feud they are having.

In a perfect work I think they should just turn Smackdown into ECW. For the style of matches they have it would work best.

Plus Smackdown as it is draws ECW Sized crowds so moving them into smaller venues wouldn't really hurt them to much.



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    In a perfect work I think they should just turn Smackdown into ECW. For the style of matches they have it would work best.

Hardly. You'd be taking a bunch of guys not accustomed to working "hardcore" and throwing them into a situation where they'd be susceptible to sustaining injuries. And for what? Another .2 in the TV ratings? Another couple thousand PPV buys? Hardly seems worth it.


    Plus Smackdown as it is draws ECW Sized crowds so moving them into smaller venues wouldn't really hurt them to much.

Raw house shows aren't exactly selling out every building, either. In fact, SD outdraws Raw in some parts of the country.



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Ohh man, they'll do ANYTHING to get people talking...



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I hope to God it is one time only.

They can't damage this concept even more than they already have, and I can't stomach 3 WWE PPVs a month, no matter what they call them.

And when did Smackdown draw 500 people? Did I miss something?

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    Originally posted by Screeching Weasel
    All things considered, maybe there's a shinning light to the concept; perhaps seeing RVD vs Jerry Lynn one more time (I know know many of you think thier matches were mindless spotfests, but like RVD said himself, that was the best series of matches ECW ever produced). But on the other hand, there's gonna be essentials we probably wont ever see again, like Masato vs Awesome, and Taz vs Sabu. Like someone said earlier, if this angle/PPV can be booked with the same care and integrity we saw on the DVD, this could be the sleeper angle that will take WWE out of it's perpetual rut.


Neither Lynn or Sabu will be involved.

Lynn's injured & Sabu is likely retired.




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    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
      Originally posted by Screeching Weasel
      All things considered, maybe there's a shinning light to the concept; perhaps seeing RVD vs Jerry Lynn one more time (I know know many of you think thier matches were mindless spotfests, but like RVD said himself, that was the best series of matches ECW ever produced). But on the other hand, there's gonna be essentials we probably wont ever see again, like Masato vs Awesome, and Taz vs Sabu. Like someone said earlier, if this angle/PPV can be booked with the same care and integrity we saw on thehttp://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=DVD&id=19';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> DVD, this could be the sleeper angle that will take WWE out of it's perpetual rut.


    Neither Lynn or Sabu will be involved.

    Lynn's injured & Sabu is likely retired.


Actually, I think Lynn is an agent in TNA, making it even less likely that he'd appear.



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Even if this is the WWE-sanitized version of the product... if it's something that Paul Heyman would participate in knowing that it would become part of the ECW legacy (and yes, I know its not up to him whether they bring it back or not, but if the guy felt like this would bastardize the ECW name, he probably wouldn't be part of it), I'd see it in a second. Out of curiousity more than anything else...



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    Originally posted by Screeching Weasel
    perhaps seeing RVD vs Jerry Lynn one more time (I know know many of you think thier matches were mindless spotfests, but like RVD said himself, that was the best series of matches ECW ever produced).


Lynn is recovering from injury and is working as an agent for TNA. He plans to start wrestling again next year. Also, I would suggest both you and RVD check out the Malenko/Guerrero matches, and I would take Tanaka/Awesome over RVD/Lynn too. Plus Crazy/Tajiri.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.38
It would be nice to have the funeral for ECW. Plus, I am sure the buyrate can't be any worse than Taboo Tuesday or No Mercy or any PPV JBL has headlined this year. I do think if they are not going to be fully behind it, it will probably be a trainwreck. Then, not having Paul involved at all makes no sense either. I like the idea of Steph not writing, it might actually be good.

It also wouldn't be that hard to do an ECW angle or storyline considering these people have had been in ECW and on Smackdown: Rey, Dudley Boyz, Tazz, RVD and Eddie. It wouldn't be that hard to get Tommy, Lance or Foley out of retirement to do it. Plus, if Austin is coming back, this storyline would be a good one for him and Foley to come back on. Smackdown could use the jump to. Considering if they are going to do JBL all year as champ might as well give people something to watch. If they don't the bingo hall maybe too big for them at the end of the year the way they are going.



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I think they'd have to turn No Way Out into some ECW thing because the current PPV schedule is 2 for January (NYR, Rumble), 1 for February(NWO), 0 for March, 1 For April(WM21), 2 for May(Backlash, JDay), 2 for June(BBlood, GAB). PPV dates are planed up to 6 months in advance, so a seperate ECW PPV won't happen in my opinion. So a JBL title retain looks good....come on the fantasy points!!!
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Like the idea...yet ECW was the amped up version of wrestling the 90's.

WWE(F) wouldn't touch the stuff they were doing until the late 90's.

WCW tried to go that route then said they were "FAMILY ORIENTED" wrestling.

Now, to do it right, yeah bring back some of the performers. Actually let them do "ECW" work. Not the WWE pace...it's a good pace but the ECW pace was really something to watch if done correctly. See, RVD vs Lynn or Benoit matches, not exactly the spotfests. Anyways, it could be done very well if they don't flub anything up.

(edited by jwrestle on 12.12.04 0216)



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