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Eddie Famous
Andouille








Since: 11.12.01
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#1 Posted on


http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0314/hentoff.php

If you STILL think taking Hussein out is wrong after reading this, then I salute you for your enduring ignorance...



George Washington gave his signature
The Government gave its hand
They said for now and ever more that this was Indian Land

"As long as the moon shall rise"
"As long as the rivers flow"
"As long as the sun will shine"
"As long as the grass shall grow"


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Jaguar
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Since: 23.1.02
From: Phoenix, AZ

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#2 Posted on
This one's already been done. It's in Moe's "This is what I think" thread.

-Jag



If they studied their paper money for clues as to what their country was all about, they found, among a lot of other baroque trash, a picture of a truncated pyramid with a radiant eye on top of it, like this:



Not even the President of the United States knew what that was all about. It was as though the country were saying to its citizens, "In nonsense is strength."

-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Breakfast of Champions
Grimis
Scrapple








Since: 11.7.02
From: MD

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Uh...I think we've been there and done that already.



Eddie Famous
Andouille








Since: 11.12.01
From: Catlin IL

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#4 Posted on

Ugh. Yes. Well, still. So there.



George Washington gave his signature
The Government gave its hand
They said for now and ever more that this was Indian Land

"As long as the moon shall rise"
"As long as the rivers flow"
"As long as the sun will shine"
"As long as the grass shall grow"


Rocket
Braunschweiger








Since: 12.2.03
From: Canada

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#5 Posted on
You know, I could have sworn the US was invading Iraq because it was sure there were illegal weapons there that Saddam was hiding. The invasion was meant to find and destroy these weapons before terrorists could get their hands on 'em.
Now, all of a sudden no-one talks about illegal weapons anymore. It's all about how the US is liberating those poor Iraqis. If the liberation was so important, why was it not the reason given for the invasion in the first place? Has the US government made a single true statement about this whole business yet?
Bizzle Izzle
Bockwurst








Since: 26.6.02
From: New Jersey, USA

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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Rocket
    You know, I could have sworn the US was invading Iraq because it was sure there were illegal weapons there that Saddam was hiding. The invasion was meant to find and destroy these weapons before terrorists could get their hands on 'em.
    Now, all of a sudden no-one talks about illegal weapons anymore. It's all about how the US is liberating those poor Iraqis. If the liberation was so important, why was it not the reason given for the invasion in the first place? Has the US government made a single true statement about this whole business yet?



Anybody want chemical weapons?

We got your chemical weapons right here: Click Here (New Evidence May Link Northern Iraq Militants to Al Qaeda)

more evidence of the IraQaeda connection



'But if one is struck by me only a little, that is far different, the stroke is a sharp thing and suddenly lays him lifeless, and that man's wife goes with cheeks torn in lamentation, and his children are fatherless, while he, staining the soil with his red blood, rots away, and there are more birds than women swarming about him.' Diomedes, The Iliad of Homer

Maiden RULES!!!
MoeGates
Andouille








Since: 6.1.02
From: Brooklyn, NY

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
First of all, the link's broken.

Second of all, even just by reading the headline you can see a) new evidence MAY link (not does) and b) Northern Iraqi militants (not Saddam Hussein's regime).

Grimis posted a link with a similar headline, and it turned out to be a story about an independent Islamic northern Iraqi group who might have ties to Al-Quada through Iran.

I'm not saying I'm ruling out that there might be something going on, but really, if this is the best evidence you can come up with, it's pitiful. As someone else in this forum so eloquently put it earlier "There were also people with ties to Al-Quada in the U.S. Should we bomb the fuck out of ourselves?"

Maybe Bush is telling the truth, but there is certainly no evidence to suggest this.



It seems that I am - in no particular order - Zack Morris, John Adams, a Siren, Michael Novotny, Janeane Garofalo, Cheer Bear, Aphrodite, a Chihuahua, Data, Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel, Amy-Wynn Pastor, Hydrogen, Bjork, Spider-Man, Boston, and a Chaotic Good Elvin Bard-Mage.
Bizzle Izzle
Bockwurst








Since: 26.6.02
From: New Jersey, USA

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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by MoeGates
    First of all, the link's broken..
    . As someone else in this forum so eloquently put it earlier "There were also people with ties to Al-Quada in the U.S. Should we bomb the fuck out of ourselves?"



Maybe I screwed up the link in the post. I don't know if Grimis posted it or not, I don't recall seeing the same thing from him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83047,00.html

And that's not eloquent, that's silly. Sure there's Al Qaeda here, but we don't need to bomb them/us since we own THIS territory. We just need to put a bullet (or two or twenty) in their heads, which is something we can't do in Baghdad until we control it. (which is why we are "bombing the fuck" out of them now).



'But if one is struck by me only a little, that is far different, the stroke is a sharp thing and suddenly lays him lifeless, and that man's wife goes with cheeks torn in lamentation, and his children are fatherless, while he, staining the soil with his red blood, rots away, and there are more birds than women swarming about him.' Diomedes, The Iliad of Homer

Maiden RULES!!!
MoeGates
Andouille








Since: 6.1.02
From: Brooklyn, NY

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
It's not the same article, but it's the same story.

Key points: KURDISH-CONTROLLED Iraq. Recieving help from IRAN. It's like rationalizing invading Tel Aviv because you want to root out Hamas.

I'm not saying the war isn't a good idea. I'm really on the fence when it comes to this. But when the Bush administration presents such obvious grasping at straws as reasons for invading a country, it not only reinforces the view that these guys are corrupt, have some kind of motive to hide, and are putting that motive above the good of the country.



It seems that I am - in no particular order - Zack Morris, John Adams, a Siren, Michael Novotny, Janeane Garofalo, Cheer Bear, Aphrodite, a Chihuahua, Data, Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel, Amy-Wynn Pastor, Hydrogen, Bjork, Spider-Man, Boston, and a Chaotic Good Elvin Bard-Mage.
PalpatineW
Lap cheong








Since: 2.1.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44

    Originally posted by Rocket
    You know, I could have sworn the US was invading Iraq because it was sure there were illegal weapons there that Saddam was hiding. The invasion was meant to find and destroy these weapons before terrorists could get their hands on 'em.
    Now, all of a sudden no-one talks about illegal weapons anymore. It's all about how the US is liberating those poor Iraqis. If the liberation was so important, why was it not the reason given for the invasion in the first place? Has the US government made a single true statement about this whole business yet?



It's because looking for weapons isn't enough reason to go to war for a lot of people. Personally, I think the humanitarian angle is just to get the Brits and the Left to go along with it, or at least tolerate it. Do I think Bush is lying when he says we are liberating Iraq? No. But I do think the primary motive for this is terrorism-related, and he focuses on the positive humanitarian effects of the war to persuade his political adversaries.



"May God bless our country and all who defend her."

George W. Bush, 3/19/03
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