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http://sports.espn.go.com/​nfl/​news/​story?​id=4397938

Jaws sure isn't excited about this. And that sound you hear is Dave (dMr) hitting the floor, I think.



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I take this as an admission that the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick, in a year I believe they didn't have a 1, on Kevin Kolb. I don't see Vick beating out Feeley, who finds ways to be serviceable during McNabb's annual banged up time, so that can be the only rational explanation.
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There's already speculation flying around that the Birds might have picked up Vick to play tight end instead of QB. With Ingram injured, our choices there consist of Brent Celek and a couple of cardboard cutouts.



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It's a safe move for him. He isn't thrust into a QB controversy and can ease his way back into the game and at the very least earn some money.

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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    It's a safe move for him. He isn't thrust into a QB controversy and can ease his way back into the game and at the very least earn some money.




True. I always thought the best scenario is with an established star QB. That way the starting QB, media, fans and Vick all know that Vick is definitely not taking the starter's job but is there as a backup or to play a different position.



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Hey wait the Eagles were on that list (The W) ;-)



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So if the NFL were Star Wars, this would make Kevin Kolb Jar-Jar Binks, right?



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Considering Donovan McNabb's almost due for his usual 5-week injury vacation, this pickup is genius. And something needed to be done to boost the morale of a team that's been devastated by injuries.

They'll give up 40 points a game, sure, but at least they'll be fun to watch on offense.




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Quoth JayJayDean: "And that sound you hear is Dave (dMr) hitting the floor, I think."

My gabber is indeed flasted, but I'm happy with it.

redsoxnation: "I take this as an admission that the Eagles wasted a 2nd round pick, in a year I believe they didn't have a 1, on Kevin Kolb. I don't see Vick beating out Feeley, who finds ways to be serviceable during McNabb's annual banged up time, so that can be the only rational explanation."

We traded out of the first round, and did pretty well out of the deal too. I'm not sold on Kolb, but I don't think they're near ready to give up on him and he'll still be #2 on the depth chart this season unless we get a decent trade offer.

Shem the Penman: "With Ingram injured, our choices there consist of Brent Celek and a couple of cardboard cutouts."

Hey, those cut-outs will drop fewer passes and stay healthier longer than L.J. Smith would've.

Seriously, I don't see any real downside risk to this move. I've seen some journalists drawing comparisons with T.O. but he was a guy with no history of legal problems and a long history of being a problem in the locker room. Vick's just the opposite, and by all accounts he doesn't look likely to reoffend.

In years gone by we had to give up a roster spot to a Reno frickin Mahe because we had nobody else who could catch punts. Now we've got three or four return guys who all fill other roles on the team, so it's not like we can't afford to use a spot to take the chance.

It doesn't matter what we call him offically (fourth choice QB, 6th choice receiver, 3rd choice RB) if he's in good shape we can look to work him into 5-10 plays a game. Reid clearly *wants* to try out the Wildcat. Last year's efforts with D-Jax in that role were, how you say, crappy, so why not go out and get a guy who's almost tailor-made for the role?

McNabb, Vick, Westbrook, Jackson and Curtis all on the field at the same time? If you can't find a way to make something happen with those guys you have no business being an offensive coordinator in this league. And that's without even bringing McCoy and Maclin into the equation.

If he isn't fit or doesn't work out, we just cut him and move on. No biggie.

It's False "They'll give up 40 points a game, sure, but at least they'll be fun to watch on offense."

We....had one of the best defences in the league last year?

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dMr, I wish I had your optimism. The second text I got last night about this was, "Goodbye, McNabb." McNabb's backup is always the most popular guy in the town. I suppose that's a good position to put Vick in to rehab his image, but if McNabb plays like he did for the first series tonight (Merrill Reese: "McNabb couldn't hit the ocean if he threw at it.") then everyone's going to be calling for Vick to start. Which would be fine, but count me among those who think Vick's QB skills are overrated. Allegedly McNabb lobbied for Vick to come, but I can't see it. This is going to be like when Jeff Garcia led the team to the playoffs, and there were those who thought he should be the starter next year. My dislike of this signing has nothing to do with his legal troubles, and everything to do with my dislike of his skills. I have a bad feeling that Vick will get his extension and be the starter next year and McNabb will take his big money final contract year and wind up elsewhere. And I won't like that.



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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    dMr, I wish I had your optimism. The second text I got last night about this was, "Goodbye, McNabb." McNabb's backup is always the most popular guy in the town. I suppose that's a good position to put Vick in to rehab his image, but if McNabb plays like he did for the first series tonight (Merrill Reese: "McNabb couldn't hit the ocean if he threw at it.").


I'm usually the last guy to be optimistic about the Eagles, but I don't see any way Vick's the QB in waiting. If the front office were looking for a way to move on from McNabb they would've stuck with Garcia a couple years back or kept Kolb in when McNabb went into a funk last year. They've never really shown any signs of listening to the "Anyone But McNabb" brigade before and I don't see them starting after they just upped his contract.

I don't worry about Vick's ability to be a starting QB because I don't think there's any chance he'll ever be in that role in Philly. Unless McNabb and Kolb go down, but by that stage we'd probably be screwed anyway. As a Wildcat option he could be exceptional, and if he sucks he'll be gone.

If you're right though, I wouldn't like it neither, but at least you'll have the consolation of telling me what an idiot I was for not seeing it coming

On a sidenote, to follow up on me own point about doing OK with the Kolb trade: by my (questionable) math Dallas got our 1st rounder and took Anthony Spencer. We got Kolb, Stu Bradley and C.J. Gaddis. Kolb can suck like the proverbial Dyson and the Eagles still come out ahead on that thanks to Bradley.

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I don't see a QB controversy since NcNabb is the one that pushed for him. I must say as a Steelers' fan, I am grinning ear to ear. My Philly wife and friends are all jumping the boat. It sounded like Sal Paltona's report from the stadium last night was the equivalent of the Titanic with people running for the exits or stunned disbelief. I do think its a knee jerk reaction, but this may not be the best fan base to bring him into. They booed Santa at Christmas.
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    I don't see a QB controversy since NcNabb is the one that pushed for him.


McNabb pushed for TO and we saw how that ended. The situation's vastly different but the controversy will start with the fans, not with McNabb, Vick, or the team.

I heard Sal Paulantonio make an interesting point on the EPSN affiliate radio station earlier. He suspects this is more about the deterioration of Westbrook than anything else, and that by putting Vick on the field with McNabb and Westbrook at the same time, it makes life easier for him. I get the sense that the Eagles realized that with McNabb and Westbrook aging, they might have one last shot offensively before the window closes, and this was the go-for-broke all in wager. I can buy that logic, but I think its a year too late.

I'm slowly stepping back from the cliff. I don't like it, but I don't hate it as much.

All I know is that this is going to be an interesting season.



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I tripled my bet on the Eagles this year - did you?

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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    I tripled my bet on the Eagles this year - did you?

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If I'm going to bet it would be on a sure thing, like NBC taking the Eagles visiting the Falcons on December 6th as a Flex game.
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And, of course, the obligatory PETA response:

The PETA Files: PETA's Statement on Eagles Vick signing


    PETA and millions of decent football fans around the world are disappointed that the Philadelphia Eagles have chosen to sign a man who hanged dogs from trees, electrocuted them with jumper cables, held them underwater until they drowned in his swimming pool, and even threw his own family dogs into the fighting pit to be torn to shreds while he laughed. What sort of message does this send to young fans who care about animals and don't want to see them be harmed?


Because a guy who's already served his debt to society shouldn't be allowed to make a living.




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What's worse are the protesters that got play on Sportscenter. "Hide your beagle...Vick's an Eagle." That's not clever; it is retarded. Like It's False said, Vick served his time, and it looks like he is trying to repay his debt to society on top of the jail time. So seriously, it's time to let it go, at least until week 6 of the season.

That being said, I can't wait to see Vick if he plays in the final two preseason games. And it says something for me to be interested in any preseason games ever.



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    Originally posted by It's False
    And, of course, the obligatory PETA response:

    The PETA Files: PETA's Statement on Eagles Vick signing


      PETA and millions of decent football fans around the world are disappointed that the Philadelphia Eagles have chosen to sign a man who hanged dogs from trees, electrocuted them with jumper cables, held them underwater until they drowned in his swimming pool, and even threw his own family dogs into the fighting pit to be torn to shreds while he laughed. What sort of message does this send to young fans who care about animals and don't want to see them be harmed?


    Because a guy who's already served his debt to society shouldn't be allowed to make a living.






Decent football fans? PETA does realize that Vick signed with the Eagles, whose fans probably would perform ritual sacrifices of the family pet in honor of Vick if it involved winning a Super Bowl.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
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      I tripled my bet on the Eagles this year - did you?

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    If I'm going to bet it would be on a sure thing, like NBC taking the Eagles visiting the Falcons on December 6th as a Flex game.


I'm not so sure about that. I don't remember all of the "rules" with respect to that, but doesn't FOX get to protect certain games before NBC gets to pick?

Just on speculation (December games can look much better or worse until the season shakes out and teams thought to be good aren't, etc.) the other biggest game FOX has that weekend is the Cowboys at the NY Giants and NBC already has the Patriots at the Dolphins which is an attractive game on paper as it stands. Depending on how good the teams are at that point, FOX may be able to protect that game and NBC may not want to give up the Patriots that late in the season. Of course, here's hoping that NBC feels the need to show that "sure" to be awesome Seahawks/49ers tilt based on the 'Hawks being undefeated at that point and all ;-)



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    Originally posted by DrewDewce


    I'm not so sure about that. I don't remember all of the "rules" with respect to that, but doesn't FOX get to protect certain games before NBC gets to pick?

    Just on speculation (December games can look much better or worse until the season shakes out and teams thought to be good aren't, etc.) the other biggest game FOX has that weekend is the Cowboys at the NY Giants and NBC already has the Patriots at the Dolphins which is an attractive game on paper as it stands. Depending on how good the teams are at that point, FOX may be able to protect that game and NBC may not want to give up the Patriots that late in the season. Of course, here's hoping that NBC feels the need to show that "sure" to be awesome Seahawks/49ers tilt based on the 'Hawks being undefeated at that point and all ;-)


From Wikipedia: Click Here (en.wikipedia.org)


    Fox and CBS may each protect five games for the 1 p.m. or 4 p.m. slot. However, they may not protect more than one game per week, and can not protect any games in week 17. All games in the final week of the season are subject to being moved to 8:15 p.m. Individual teams may make no more than four appearances on NBC during the season. Only three teams may make as many as six prime-time appearances (Sunday night, Monday night, and Thursday night combined). [13] In the case of division matchups such as Bears vs Packers, CBS or FOX has the right to one of the two matchups meaning if one of the matchups is a early season Monday Night Football broadcast on ESPN, NBC can't touch the other broadcast.


Emphasis mine.

So, if either the Eagles or Falcons have played four or more NBC games up to that point or three teams already made six primetime appearances at that point and this be either team's sixth primetime experience, then NBC is barred from grabbing this one, no matter what.



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