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http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/verne_gagne_murder_suspect_feb_18_2009

This is just one bizarre story.
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Wow.

If Verne's Alzheimer's is so advanced that he couldn't differentiate between right from wrong, I don't know how they could charge him. And even if it's just slightly advanced, his decision-making abilities are surely compromised.

Also, if he's exhibited any violent behavior before, the nursing home that roomed him semi-unsupervised with the victim will be in VERY big trouble in a lawsuit.

Still... could you imagine escaping Hitler and Nazi Germany, making your way to the Land of Opportunity, learning English, going to college, becoming a cancer research scientist at the University of Minnesota, dedicating your life to helping others... and then getting murdered in a nursing home by an insane ex-pro wrestler?!

I defy ANYONE who believes in the Divine Plan to explain THAT.



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    Originally posted by rv581
    Also, if he's exhibited any violent behavior before, the nursing home that roomed him semi-unsupervised with the victim will be in VERY big trouble in a lawsuit.
According to Meltzer, "Gagne is no longer a resident at the facility. The newspaper reported Gagne had been kicked out of the facility due to an incident previously and at the time was allowed to return." Not that this invalidates your point - the nursing home still allowed him to come back after an "incident."



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Here are some more thoughts from a demented mind in Central Florida:
    Originally posted by rv581
    Wow.

    If Verne's Alzheimer's is so advanced that he couldn't differentiate between right from wrong, I don't know how they could charge him. And even if it's just slightly advanced, his decision-making abilities are surely compromised.


Actually, that might be the very reason they charge him. Ass/u/m(e)-ing that Minnesota deals with criminal insanity under something called the M'Naughten (sp?) Rule, a person is considered legally insane at the time of a criminal offense when he doesn't know right from wrong or didn't know or understand what he was doing at the time of the offense. It usually has to be determined with the help of court-appointed psychologists or psychiatrists (usually at least 2). If the doctors agree that this person is not guilty by reason of insanity under the M'Naughten Rule, then the person is found to be not guilty by reason of insanity.

However, that's not the end of the process, and that defendant is not necessarily free to go about his business. Once the court rules that way, the court must then determine if the defendant meets the qualifications for involuntary commitment to a psychiatric facility. If this person is a danger to himself or others, that's certainly a significant ground to committing the person. The State of Minnesota cannot get this in this particular case, however, unless Verne is charged and has to go through the process. Of course, this also ass/u/me-s that Verne had anything to do with this unfortunate act.

Regardless, it's a really sad situation for all parties involved.



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http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=540418&catid=2


The Hennepin County Medical Examiner has ruled the death of 97 year old Helmut Gutmann a homicide.

Gutmann died January 26th of injuries sustained in a scuffle with wrestling legend Verne Gagne. He also suffered from complications from dementia and Chronic Obstructive Pulminary Disease.

Gutmann and Gagne were both residents of a Bloomington care facility that specializes in patients with dementia.

Bloomington police are investigating the death, but have not indicated whether criminal charges in Gutmann's death are a possibility.
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Interesting responses. I wasn't specifically thinking of the Undertaker, but yeah, I guess he's one of the main people to benefit. Although I wonder sometimes if people cheer him because he's not dead yet more than anything.
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