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#41 Posted on
Some common sense was actually shown in booking of this PPV. If Vince is going to be involved in a feud with Lesnar, then he cannot job to Peg Leg. True, it screws up the whole 'against all odds' storyline, but for the long term, how much of a joke would Lesnar be if he actually sold something for Vince after losing clean to Peg Leg? And, if Lesnar is going to be saddled with working with Vince, then taking the World Title off of him prior to that is the best thing to do. If Lesnar is the champ, then the fear that Vince might think of booking himself as World Champ as a ratings grabber again could occur, and that's a road no one would want to go down.
The only flaw I can find is putting the US Title on Eddy in this situation. Let Benoit get the US Title, then have Rhyno turn, while at the same time moving Eddy into a SummerSlam World Title match against Angle. It would cause the Benoit/Rhyno feud to be over a title, and it would put Eddy in the World Title mix against a Champion where a great match is a virtual certainty.



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#42 Posted on
My 2 Cents...

For all of his faults Taker has always been a company man. His tenure grants him a certain level of respect that can only be earned.

Last year when the Brock incident happened everyone went nuts...and then he put him over and gave Brock the greatest visual to start his legacy: Brock on top of the Cell with a bloody, beaten Taker 20 feet below.

So he beat Cena...big deal. My date last night (who doesnt really like the wrestling stuff, just the backstage drama stuff) thought that Cena looked like a million bucks. At the end of the match when they showed Cena at the top of ramp completely healthy and Taker in ring a bloody mess she said "Wow...Undertaker got lucky."

And there you have it. The rub was given. Now what I'd like to see happen is Cena go ballistic on Thursday and say he was too "commercial" and that he needs to go further "undaground" and get some more street cred. So he disappears for a week or 2 and does a "drive by" (Backstage assault)on Taker.

Takers out for a few weeks and when he comes back the two have a "street fight" at Summerslam where Cena gets the win.

Cena would get his big win, possibly a new signature match, and god willing his road to WMXX would really start.

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#43 Posted on
Now, I didn't see the PPV, so I won't comment on something I didn't see. But I would like to remind people that, booking aside, the Undertaker/Cena match may have been a bit off because the Undertaker's father just died recently, and I'm sure that's the sort of thing that takes you a bit off your game.
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#44 Posted on


    For all of his faults Taker has always been a company man. His tenure grants him a certain level of respect that can only be earned

Well, it's not like he had a choice. Vince never would have let him take the Undertaker gimmick w/ him to WCW, and without it, WCW wouldn't be interested in him.



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#45 Posted on
Well, I'm not sure who would argue against the Devil's Advocate, I guess maybe an angel or something...but I'll do what I can.

    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Man he pulled up Cena, DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: I guess you'd rather see Cena jobbing to a chokeslam?


No, I would rather have not had that spot be involved in the match at all. There was no need for it. All it established was the absolute dominance of the Undertaker, and basically made clear that he could and should have won the match in a couple minutes, but decided he didn't want to at that time.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Taker killed Cena's finisher, DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: So the match would have been better if Cena hadn't gotten to impress us by giving Taker the FU? (Oh, wow, FU - Fuck Undertaker!)


How about doing it a bit closer to the ropes? Same visual, same non-ending to the match, but gives the FU far more cred as it made UT unable to kick out, needing the luck of being close to the ropes to survive.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Man Taker just made Cena his bitch the whole match - that no-selling DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: Because Undertaker must do that "internal bleeding" shtick in ALL his matches - hell, ALL the superstars do that, right? It's nothing special.


A couple of thoughts on this point. First, internal bleeding is really the copout way of establishing any sort of injury. Fans are conditioned to see blade jobs as the way of showing someone is hurt. Secondly, The sheer visual of it was rather underwhelming. Compare and contrast that visual with the UT at HITC vs. Lesnar visual for how he looks when he really does want to get someone over. Third, the internal injury storyline was almost wholly irrelevant to the match. It only effected UT at one point in the match (not getting a jump on a clothesline as Cole and Tazz pointed out), and did not in any way lead to the finish, as despite all of that, he was still strong enough to walk around holding Cena up in the air for the Last Ride. So no, I don't think the internal injury angle was particularly relevant or a major point for the UT supporters.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Taker won! DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: Man, you know SOMETIMES after all the buildup...the heel LOSES and the face WINS. I know, that's a brand new concept for some of you...isn't it? Besides, the story of the match had Cena in control at the very end...BUT he couldn't contain himself and had to hold up and stop for just a moment, and that display of pride was ultimately what cost him the match. After getting over the "Cena thinks he's a veteran but he's only been here a year" storyline (thanks, commentary team!), Cena makes a rookie mistake and pays the price. Thumbs up, Roger.


I'll give you the basic idea behind this point. However, I would argue that past history of the last few years of booking doesn't speak to the desire to really do any followup on this sort of intricate and subtle sort of booking. If I thought that maybe this was leading to a more serious, more pissed-off Cena wanting revenge and the announcers getting over how Cena was in control of the match (though really, did anyone ever really feel like Cena was simply delaying the inevitable in that match, no matter what kind of control he seemed to be in?) but made one mistake, then I wouldn't be so upset about the booking. However I have no confidence in that sort of thing, and am far more certain that Cena will simply wander back into the midcard casting about for a new feud, and likely not be involved in Summerslam in any meaningful way due to the joint card. So instead you end up with the dumbed down version of events taking hold which is "wow, the Awesometaker sure did whip that goof's ass."


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: What a loser - his bike stalled out!
    Devil's Advocate: Ha ha, that WAS pretty funny actually


On this, we agree. I do want to give credit to Cole for his quick covering of the situation, talking about how serious UT was and not wanting to play around with the bike.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: RETIRE, TAKER
    Devil's Advocate: AWESOME UNDERTAKER WHO IS AWESOME


Silly me, I forgot about how awesomely awesome the awesome Undertaker, who is indeed most awesome, needs to be awesomely consistent in his awesome awesomeness. Any crack in his awesome awesomeosity could be an awesome deterrent to the recognition of his awesome awesometasticality. Thank you for setting me straight on the awesomeness I was not catching onto.

Oh, last note that amused me. One of the folks watching with us is a PPV mark, he only comes by for PPV cards and doesn't really watch the weekly show. At about the midpoint in the match he said "if you look up futility in the dictionary, the first definition is 'John Cena trying to come back on the Undertaker'" which seemed to wrap it all up right there for me. Everyone on earth knew he was going to lose going into that match, and even the points that should have been suspenseful never were, because you knew that in the end Cena would fail.



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#46 Posted on
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff


      For all of his faults Taker has always been a company man. His tenure grants him a certain level of respect that can only be earned

    Well, it's not like he had a choice. Vince never would have let him take the Undertaker gimmick w/ him to WCW, and without it, WCW wouldn't be interested in him.



I see your point that he HAD to stay in WWE, because in WCW he wouldn't have a gimmick, but I think the point is to give him a little credit for being around 13 years - and not in terms of "not jumping ship" but for LASTING that long and still be credible. Taker is granted a certain level of respect, as mentioned. And that's how it should be.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Man he pulled up Cena, DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: I guess you'd rather see Cena jobbing to a chokeslam?



Chokeslam, Last Ride, what's the difference?



    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Taker killed Cena's finisher, DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: So the match would have been better if Cena hadn't gotten to impress us by giving Taker the FU? (Oh, wow, FU - Fuck Undertaker!)



Yeah, it impresses the hell out of me when someone hits their finisher and the opponent no-sells it. Cena's already given the FU to heavier men, so the strength aspects is a non-issue.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Man Taker just made Cena his bitch the whole match - that no-selling DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: Because Undertaker must do that "internal bleeding" shtick in ALL his matches - hell, ALL the superstars do that, right? It's nothing special.



Yeah, yeah, I proudly wave the "Taker no-sells" banner. So, is John Cena supposed to give him a fruit basket because Taker was big enough to spit out some blood during their match?

"Hey thanks man, I lost anyway, but at least we showed the fans that your internal organs will sell for a steel chain, even if the shoulders still don't."

This sort of thinking did wonders for Sting in Starcade '97.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: Taker won! DAMN HIM TO HELL!
    Devil's Advocate: Man, you know SOMETIMES after all the buildup...the heel LOSES and the face WINS. I know, that's a brand new concept for some of you...isn't it? Besides, the story of the match had Cena in control at the very end...BUT he couldn't contain himself and had to hold up and stop for just a moment, and that display of pride was ultimately what cost him the match. After getting over the "Cena thinks he's a veteran but he's only been here a year" storyline (thanks, commentary team!), Cena makes a rookie mistake and pays the price. Thumbs up, Roger.



Unless, of course, Undertaker is a heel. Then the heel wins. Don't forget. Because he's awesome. And you'd be shilling for his awesome ass then, too.



    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: What a loser - his bike stalled out!
    Devil's Advocate: Ha ha, that WAS pretty funny actually



Second truism proved by that match - Harleys suck.


    Originally posted by CRZ
    Them: RETIRE, TAKER
    Devil's Advocate: AWESOME UNDERTAKER WHO IS AWESOME



Totally. Just look at all those AWESOME four-star matches he's been a part of, these last few years.


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#48 Posted on
    Originally posted by spf2119
    When I see posts talking about how "his time is yet to come" or "one match won't kill him" or any of that, I am reminded of Test right after the Steph marrying HHH angle. I remember Test fighting HHH in a match where seemingly logical booking would say Test goes over and gets some revenge for being made to look like an ass. But instead he got squashed. And no matter what else they've done with him, he has NEVER gotten that over again in his career. A couple of years ago at the peak of the marriage angle there were a lot of people who could have easily envisioned Test going over HHH and taking his title and getting his revenge. Nowadays could anyone possibly envision World Champion Test?


Just so you know, World Champion Test never even crossed my mind even when he was fighting HHH. Honestly, at that time there's no way that stale piece of toast would make a good champ. He could get his revenge on Steph, but then what? Probably a classic feud with Bull Buchanan? After the Steph business is over, Test has to get himself over as a champion. He'd be more dead in the water than folks say he is now. I could just tell.

(edited by Ringmistress on 28.7.03 0834)


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#49 Posted on
I didn't see the PPV, so if you think that renders my post meaningless, please skip ahead...



...Okay, so it's not all HHH. It's also Vince and Stephanie.

Why has WWE thought, for roughly the past two or so years, that the only way to build an underdog up is to job them in high profile matches? That never works. Ever.

It wasn't the case with Mick Foley. He was a heel when he was getting his ass kicked, which, dramatically speaking, means him getting beaten all the time was justified. Once he turned into the plucky underdog face, he needed wins over The Rock to put him over the top. If he lost to The Rock every time out, I don't think he would have gone much farther.

Even Mikey Whipwreck in ECW won some big matches. Zach has a similar gimmick to Mikey, except without the leg and all. But, he's still the underdog that defies all odds, except for the whole defying all odds part.

So, okay, Zach losing to Vince makes him an even bigger underdog. Sure. What is it all setting up, then? The underdog storyline has to pay off at some point and, if it wasn't in the Vince feud, then what is Zach being saved for? Vince already beat Zach every week on SMACKDOWN! going into this match, and this is the payoff we get.

I might be negative, but I think the WWE product is even more negative. The writers, led by Vince and Stephanie, are writing very depressing, negative storylines.

I guess this makes Vince a bigger star so he can help house show attendance.


Sweetser pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to the World Title situation. We're right where we were before WrestleMania, except Angle is the face. SMACKDOWN!'s world title scene, while producing good matches, is in such a state of stagnation. Aside from Undertaker, you saw every world title contender in the main event last night.

Angle comes back and wins the title just like that. I mean, I guess Big Show beating Lesnar was the worst ending possible, since we've seen that before, but this was pretty bad because it was nothing. I believe this is Lesnar's first clean loss, and thankfully it didn't go to HHH, but it came out of nowhere for seemingly no reason.

"It sets up Lesnar-Angle for SummerSlam"? There's multiple different ways they could have done that without blowing off the ending the month before. We've already seen Lesnar beat Angle at WrestleMania XIX, so what's the point of seeing that again?


Cena getting his ass handed to him by UT sucked, too. I guess I can understand that Cena was the heel and UT needed to get his win back from the FBI thing in the #1 Contender Tournament. I'm fine with that. But, if it ended up being a total squash, what was the point of that? If Cena is going to be their next guy, why did they make him look so weak?


Eddy winning the U.S. Title and declaring that he needs no friends was pretty cool, though.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 28.7.03 0851)
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Some common sense was actually shown in booking of this PPV. If Vince is going to be involved in a feud with Lesnar, then he cannot job to Peg Leg.


But then what does Peg Leg do, if he can't even beat the 50-something owner?

(The answer: not much. He's an inspiring story yadda yadda, but Sideshow Zack isn't a guy you can keep in the upper half of the card. If it were me, I'd have Spike Dudley defect from RAW and punk Zach out, while screaming "I'M the spunky underdog! I'M the spunky underdog!")




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#51 Posted on
He stopped in the middle of his Not a Ten Punch Count Along to throw a hand signal to the crowd. The commentators made a rather big deal out of this, and it also got the replay. You really missed all that? Wow, I wonder what else you missed. ;-)

I did see that, but I don't seem to be getting this same vibe. All I saw was the same contrived "heel punches down on Taker in the corner, despite not doing a ten-punch in his life, and gets powerbombed for it" spot I've seen in a number of other Taker matches. If this counts as a rookie mistake, then I guess Triple H is a rookie, too, because he did the same thing at WrestleMania X-7.

Actually, I take that back - I didn't see that, because I turned away the second Cena mounted the buckles for the punching, because I knew exactly what was coming. *thud*.

This shouldn't really surprise you - Taker can carry and Lesnar can't. That really reveals Taker's experience...and Lesnar's relative INexperience.

I'll go along with that.

I go back to what I devil's advocated earlier: sometimes you book the match so the fans can cheer for the face. Cena still got some spots in the match to make an impression on people (and he impressed me at least) so I just can't put on the big frown at the end of the match.

I think a prevalent problem amongst some (SOME) is that their only REAL criterion for judging the goodness or badness of a match is that very last thing that happened right before the closing bell...and to people who formulate their opinions this way, anything they add to their reasoning later is simply a cherrypicking of anything they can find that'll bolster their distilled-solely-from-the-finish thoughts.


I don't put the big frown on the end of the match, I put the big frown on the match as a whole. The finish was only one small bit of it. Cena got pretty much one impressive spot - his finisher, which Undertaker promptly kicked out of.

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#52 Posted on
The Undertaker winning wouldn't have bothered me so much if it were not a pattern, a seemingly never ending pattern. The benefits of a guy who never jobs, never sells, I just can't fathom. What has this guy given back? Who has he made famous? Okay, Mankind, 7 years ago. Then I hear Undertaker carried Cena. Well, why couldn't Undertaker carry Albert or Big Show to such exciting matches? Think about it!

The point is, here is a 42/43 year old guy, whose career might...just be winding down. And if he cared anything for the business as they make it seem he wouldn't blink at making a new star out of Cena. So lets all ask ourselves questions, Would it have hurt Undertaker? Well, if one defeat to John Cena shatters what this guy has done for 13 years, then we are all tremendously overestimating what this guy has done for those 13 years. And no, noone is asking Undertaker to "Job from this point forward" that obviously ridicules. One job, is all I was hoping for! I'm sure Undertaker can still get fat from his Merchandise and PPV off's. Would it have helped John Cena? I think it would have made him a legit borderline main eventer. Where does this leave Cena now, well I won't be apoctolypic, so far as saying his career is destroyed, but they didn't do him any favors at all last night.

People can justify it any way they want, but it was this is but one example of the selfish attitude that killed another promotion not all that long ago. It amazes me that their are still people who, for whatever reason, are ignorant to that fact.

Now the optimistic person would say, give it another chance, the feud will continue at Smackdown and Cena will be done right at Summerslam. Fair enough, I'll be watching Smackdown (Thank god for the mute button) and I'll be more then happy to eat crow. But Optimism and Wrestling, well, lets just say they don't co-exists very well in my mind.

In Closing, today is Monday, July 28th 2003. The main eventers on Smackdown are as follows. Kurt Angle, Brock Lesner, Undertaker and Big Show. Sound familiar?





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#53 Posted on
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff


      For all of his faults Taker has always been a company man. His tenure grants him a certain level of respect that can only be earned

    Well, it's not like he had a choice. Vince never would have let him take the Undertaker gimmick w/ him to WCW, and without it, WCW wouldn't be interested in him.



I would disagree with this. The way WCW was spending money on wrestlers, they would have signed Undertaker just for the sake of taking him away from WWE if they had the opportunity. And if they did find another gimmick that worked, that would have been icing on the cake.

Edit: On a side note, I didn't get a chance to see the PPV, but reading the comments, I under the impression that Cena/Taker was about 2 hours and 30 minutes of match time, and the rest maybe got the other 30 minutes. Am I right?

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#54 Posted on


    I would disagree with this. The way WCW was spending money on wrestlers, they would have signed Undertaker just for the sake of taking him away from WWE if they had the opportunity. And if they did find another gimmick that worked, that would have been icing on the cake.

I dunno. We're used to "human" Undertaker now, but at the time, it was all about the Undertaker gimmick for him. If they signed him and threw him on TV as Mark Calloway, there's no guarantee it would have been successful. And you can bet that Vince's lawyers would make sure WCW didn't reference the Undertaker gimmick in any way.



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#55 Posted on

    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet

      Originally posted by tricknee
      Everyone is discussing Cena's loss to Undertaker and what effect it has on his career. For those that are advocates of the 'paying your dues' philosophy, I have to ask... How did Undertaker get to be where he is?
      How did he *become* this legend? Yes, he had a great character, but the fact is that he has had the benefit of a sustained decade long push. He didn't pay any dues, he emerged out of a cloud of smoke and immediately beat everyone and anyone, and has continued to do so.
      Hogan didn't pay dues, he exploded onto the scene. As did the Ultimate Warrior. And Brock Lesnar. Even the Rock, though it took a change in approach. Austin got himself over initially, but became a pop culture icon by being allowed to stun the entire roster and even beat up the owner.
      These guys are made into legends by winning matches. Chris Jericho's career has been permanently damaged by 'pay your dues' booking, and not even the Unified Title could take him to that next level.
      Who is going to be the next Undertaker? You can't just inherit the spot, you need to inherit the push.



    It looks like you're sticking only to the WWE (or WWF at the time) when talking about the history of these's guys careers. Wrestling changed forever a few years ago when the WWE decided to get younger guys around 20 and (basically) train them on live tv like La Resistance. A lot of the guys you've mentioned spent YEARS wrestling in indys, making $50 a month for food. THAT'S what people talk about when they say 'pay their dues'. A lot of these newer guys have never really had to do it, so they have to go through what would normally be a 5 year process of learning the business in a 6 month period, all the while doing it on live tv where every screw up is seen by millions. Comparing a rookie nowadays having to pay his dues to a guy like Flair and what he had to do is like comparing apples and oranges. Actually, it's more like apples and birds.

    Still, the guys that have to go through the 'paying their dues' while under a guartanteed WWE contract have it pretty damned easy compared to guys like The Undertaker and a lot of the other older guys that really did starve to learn the trade.

    ps. Awesome Undertaker is indeed, Awesome.


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I'm not talking about paying your dues in the indies, I'm talking about the new style of WWE booking that is killing the business. Bringing in young guys and having them job to 40 year old legends is not building much of a future. If you aren't ready to make these guys look good, either leave them in the minors or don't ever sign them in the first place. Why should I buy a ticket to see guys who just inherit a title from a legend? I want to see the guy who beat the legend.
Also, there is no choice but to stick to the WWE when talking about these guy's careers. The WWE rarely acknowledges anything else. 'The Undertaker' has never wrestled anywhere else, even if Mark has.
I'm not saying fans shouldn't mark out for the Undertaker, which I occasionally do. I don't dislike him. I just don't want to be left with nothing to watch when he retires.
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#56 Posted on
It always amazes me, regarding the Undertaker, that for a guy who made a career forcing people to “suspend disbelief” is the one guy that gets shoved into “he is killing the company with his selfish attitude” schtick from the IWC.

We (meaning on-line critics) look at Cena’s loss as “oh, his career is over because he did the j.o.b.”…I would imagine the “casual fan” (as referenced in an earlier post) enjoyed seeing Cena get the worst of it, because he is “A WHITE WIGGER RAP WANNABE and everyone should HATE HATE HATE the jackoff. Fuck him and his rhyming, what has he done to prove himself and be called a legend??” So UT kicks his ass. For us. But not without Cena putting up a fight.

Cena is approaching Rock heel territory, where he is so goddamn entertaining that people will not boo him, no matter what he does. That ain’t good if you are a heel. I think the logical step from this match is for UT to give Cena his “props” for showing that he can “hunt with the big dogs”, and then have Cena brutally turn on him, “to hell with your respect old man”…and then beat him within an inch of his life. Worked with Brock – until they made Brock Mr. Happy Go Lucky anyway…

And I thought we were in agreement to “Let’s see what happens” before shouting “(X’s) career is OVER because of this!”…didn’t we learn anything from the Kane unmasking? Hell, even Percy Pringle thinks it’s great and he’s about as bitter as they come nowadays.

And the slow motion replay of BLOOD squirting out of Vince's head hardway from the chairshot was worth my $40, thankyaverymuch.

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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    It always amazes me, regarding the Undertaker, that for a guy who made a career forcing people to “suspend disbelief” is the one guy that gets shoved into “he is killing the company with his selfish attitude” schtick from the IWC.

    We (meaning on-line critics) look at Cena’s loss as “oh, his career is over because he did the j.o.b.”…I would imagine the “casual fan” (as referenced in an earlier post) enjoyed seeing Cena get the worst of it, because he is “A WHITE WIGGER RAP WANNABE and everyone should HATE HATE HATE the jackoff. Fuck him and his rhyming, what has he done to prove himself and be called a legend??”



Wiggers were hated in the mid-90s. Now they're in. Look at Emimen's sales. And the rest of your post. The crowd was yelling "motherfucker" right along with Cena.



    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    So UT kicks his ass. For us. But not without Cena putting up a fight.

    Cena is approaching Rock heel territory, where he is so goddamn entertaining that people will not boo him, no matter what he does. That ain’t good if you are a heel.



Whatever happened to Rock, anyway?



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#58 Posted on
"Totally. Just look at all those AWESOME four-star matches he's been a part of, these last few years."

Actually I haven't seen Undertaker on such a solid run in forever. Once he got the title from Hogan I haven't been disappointed in the man's work in the ring. All very solid.



Caped Boy: Excuse me, ladies. You may remember me as the guy who came to dinner a few weeks ago with underwear on my head. My name is Keith Stat from Milbourne, New Jersey. State bird, the mosquito. And as you may have heard I am recently a crowned class B dungeon-master. So if any of you would like to play D&D today, please speak now or forever hold your peace.
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#59 Posted on
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I really don't understand the hatred for Undertaker these days. He doesn't dominate shows and, save for his brief title reign last year, hasn't on any consistent basis since the late-90's. So either Vince, 'Taker or both of them realize he's not the top draw on a show.
Undertaker has been in several decent matches over the last year or so (Flair, Jeff Hardy, Brock, Show and apparently last night's) even though he is clearly past his prime. Yet he doesn't seemingly force himself on to fans the way others HHHave.
If there ends up being a rematch at SummerSlam, where Cena comes out on top, Cena ends up looking like a million bucks. Beating him at Vengeance, I think, would have just been `ehhh'. As it was, it sounds like Cena held his own last night.
Either way, I don't see why The Undertaker is to blame on this. He still puts on a decent show, and doesn't demand a ton in return. You're not going to see him challenging Kurt Angle at SummerSlam, so what's the harm? He'll probably just be paired up with Cena again. Which isn't a bad thing.



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#60 Posted on

    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    -DISCLAIMER: I haven't seen the PPV yet-

    I really don't understand the hatred for Undertaker these days. He doesn't dominate shows and, save for his brief title reign last year, hasn't on any consistent basis since the late-90's. So either Vince, 'Taker or both of them realize he's not the top draw on a show.
    Undertaker has been in several decent matches over the last year or so (Flair, Jeff Hardy, Brock, Show and apparently last night's) even though he is clearly past his prime. Yet he doesn't seemingly force himself on to fans the way others HHHave.
    If there ends up being a rematch at SummerSlam, where Cena comes out on top, Cena ends up looking like a million bucks. Beating him at Vengeance, I think, would have just been `ehhh'. As it was, it sounds like Cena held his own last night.
    Either way, I don't see why The Undertaker is to blame on this. He still puts on a decent show, and doesn't demand a ton in return. You're not going to see him challenging Kurt Angle at SummerSlam, so what's the harm? He'll probably just be paired up with Cena again. Which isn't a bad thing.



Exactly, its just like back in September with Taker and Brock in the end Taker did the job. Just getting in the ring with Taker can only help Cena out, the win is only the cherry on top.
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