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Since: 22.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

Okay, I didn't expect much, but I got it anyway. I'm glad that I did.

Kurt winning the belt was a surprise but a pleasant one. Tons of great spots in that match. Brock's probably the only guy in the company that could powerbomb Big Show like that. And the stare down between Brock and Kurt was excellent.

Vince is gonna need more than Milton's Swingline after that gusher. Geez. Not a bad match.

WGTT retains in the surpriser of the night. Kidman with the shooting star of the TOP made me proud to be a wrestling fan. The top rope 'rana by Rey produced equal teary-eyed results.

Eddie/Benoit dragged at the begining, but finally got out of the blocks. The finish was fun. Benoit needs to blow through this feud with Rhyno, because he's ready for his main event push. Listen to that crowd.

Oh and fuck Undertaker. Fuck him and his fucking stalled out piece of shit motorcycle. Fuck him and his pull-up cover of John Cena, who carried that load to a halfway decent match, only to have his finisher gleefully no-sold and countered. Fuck Undertaker for standing on the shoulders of guys like Hulk Hogan, Jimmy Snuka and Jake Roberts, who Taker beat, no-sold finishers, and often squashed in high-profile contests. Fuck him for not being a big enough man to return the favor. I became a Cena fan tonight. Fuck Taker.

Great, great, great show. Great show.

(edited by asteroidboy on 27.7.03 2157)


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#2 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Oh and fuck Undertaker. Fuck him and his fucking stalled out piece of shit motorcycle. Fuck him and his pull-up cover of John Cena, who carried that load to a halfway decent match, only to have his finisher gleefully no-sold and countered. Fuck Undertaker for standing on the shoulders of guys like Hulk Hogan, Jimmy Snuka and Jake Roberts, who Taker beat and often squashed in high-profile contest. Fuck him for not being a big enough man to return the favor. I became a Cena fan tonight. Fuck Taker.

    Great, great, great show. Great show.


Dude, I'm as big a Cena fan as there is, but take it easy. It's not like Taker booked the end of the match. Maybe he refused to job, maybe he didn't. We don't know. But it was a shitty match. Oh well.
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#3 Posted on
I thought Taker carried Cena.



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#4 Posted on
I thought Vince did the booking, not The Undertaker (or anyone else that "we just don't like"). For all you know The Undertaker's been begging Vince to let him give Cena a rub, and Vince is sitting there thinking "If Cena did more 'roids, maybe I've give him a win, but he just ain't main event material". Maybe some of this unbound hatred should be directed at the right people.


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#5 Posted on
Alright, let me rephrase asteroidboy's thought: "Fuck whomever thought it would be great to have UT do the pull-up cover on Cena. Fuck whomever thought having UT kick out of Cena's finisher was a great idea. Fuck whomever decided that foreign objects, exposed turnbuckles, and his finisher shouldn't be enough to faze UT. Fuck whomever decided to send Cena careening back down the card like a HHH challenger. Fuck the philosophy that says no young guy not named Brock shall ever truly go over any of the old guard. And fuck Undertaker for never being able to really convey the idea that he could ever lose that match, as that's something he is in control of."

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I thought Taker carried Cena.


Like that Harley carried him to the ring. Regardless of who booked that finish, I don't see what purpose it served. To give Undertaker another notch in his bandana? I want one of the Undertaker marks on this board to explain why Mister Mixed Martial Artist can't do one lousy job and give someone the rub. And if you appropriately point out the fact that I'm getting too upset over a fake sport, Brock Lesnar, or anything else, I'll make you drink tobacco juice.



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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy

      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I thought Taker carried Cena.


    Like that Harley carried him to the ring. Regardless of who booked that finish, I don't see what purpose it served. To give Undertaker another notch in his bandana? I want one of the Undertaker marks on this board to explain why Mister Mixed Martial Artist can't do one lousy job and give someone the rub. And if you appropriately point out the fact that I'm getting too upset over a fake sport, Brock Lesnar, or anything else, I'll make you drink tobacco juice.



Oh it does suck Cena lost, but the silver lining could be that Taker beat Kurt's ass worse in July 2000, and 3 months later Kurt was world champ.



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I think the majority here can agree that Taker winning tonight did nothing for anyone. It was the wrong move and worst of all they really killed Cena's finisher tonight. Honestly whoever booked that needs their head checked. The whole match set it up so that when Cena hit his move Taker would have nothing left and would have to be out from it. He was selling (sort off) an internal injury and the FU would of totally finished him off. At least that's the way I saw the psychology of the match going.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    For all you know The Undertaker's been begging Vince to let him give Cena a rub.


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I should hope not.



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#10 Posted on
It's called fucking parity.

Fine.

Cena can't beat 'Taker. He's not main event. Deal with it.

(edited by Notorious F.A.B. on 27.7.03 2225)


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#11 Posted on
Damn!

The first WWE PPV I've missed in like 3 years and it sounds like it was a good one. Just my luck.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I don't even think Cena should have beaten The Undertaker but the way the match was done did nothing for Cena. The only offense he could get in was because the steel turnbuckle hurt Undertaker, not John Cena's offense.

I sure hope this wasn't Vince's way of getting Undertaker ready for his yearly title run...
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I thought Taker carried Cena.


Taker brought some slow walking and a few punches to the match. Cena brought a creative offense, some fantastic facial expressions and good acting, an FU on the big man, and was the only one creating any momentum, cause lord knows Taker wasn't selling.
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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy

      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I thought Taker carried Cena.


    Like that Harley carried him to the ring. Regardless of who booked that finish, I don't see what purpose it served. To give Undertaker another notch in his bandana? I want one of the Undertaker marks on this board to explain why Mister Mixed Martial Artist can't do one lousy job and give someone the rub. And if you appropriately point out the fact that I'm getting too upset over a fake sport, Brock Lesnar, or anything else, I'll make you drink tobacco juice.



I'm a Taker mark, and expect a qualifier here.

I don't know WHOSE fault it was - whether it be Taker's, Vince's, the writers, whoever - but as I stated in my post in the other thread, the match was complete and utter bullshit and did nothing for either guy. If it was Taker's idea to take 75% of the offense, fight back through the other 25%, kill the guy's finisher, have him put over THREE of your own finishers (chokeslam, escape by pullup. TCB, escape by ropes. Last Ride, not escaped. Cena was a dead man in all three) then he deserved a firm slap upside the head. Vince deserves a kick in the head for not stepping in and saying something. And if it was Vince or the bookers, they all deserve shots to the noggin too.

I'm a Cena mark, and I'm still a Taker mark, but this match made it really hard to be the latter.

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#15 Posted on
I'm sorry, but this just shows how ridiculous a lot of people on this board are. You get so serious about every little sell and piece of offense. It's real sad you can't just sit back and enjoy a match. The Taker match was good, brutal, and in the end Cena still looked tough. Think of who the Undertaker is - why would it make sense for this new kid to beat him clean? It DOESN'T. We want new stars so badly but be realistic about it - Cena is not in any position to beat legends yet. He's not booked as a monster, his world title days are STILL AHEAD OF HIM (ie, Taker DIDN'T destroy his career as people are making it out to be), and tonight he simply put up a good fight against a legend. A young kid put up a hell of a fight against Taker. That's all I see it as. Oh, so Taker pulled Cena up - whoop dee doo. Should that have been taken out of the match? Sure - but you people act like it's the end of Cena's push and he's doomed and shunted down the card forever. Or cause Taker kicked out of the finisher so now it's invalid. The problem here is that sometimes you guys get so wrapped up in smarky cynicism that you don't realize this shit isn't THAT important - it's not THAT BIG A DEAL if Taker kicks out of Cena's finisher. It's not gonna haunt Cena's career, it's not gonna make everybody look at him as weak - that's just what the internet does when we get all crazy about things like that.

I kind of liked the story actually - such as Undertaker had the kid beat but then decided to toy with him...until he realized the kid was no joke and fought back like crazy. I think it's just cynicism to look at it as if Cena was buried cause he didn't beat Taker clean. It wasn't his time to beat Taker clean - it was time for a good fight. Take a look at Taker after that match - the man was beat up big time. Cena's days are ahead of him. There was no reason to have him kill the legend now.
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#16 Posted on
Now you know how us Rodney Mack fans feel.



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#17 Posted on
You know, I agree with a decent amount of what you said, FurryHippie, except for one thing.

Taker didn't just beat Cena, he pretty much made Cena his bitch outside of about a minute of the bout where Cena got some good shots in. Taker didn't even make Cena look like a threat to him for most of the match.

Taker beating Cena does nothing for either of them and hurts Cena, who has now been shown twice (the Lesnar match and this match) to be all bluff and no stuff. Cena beating Taker even semi-clean would have MADE Cena, and more than likely wouldn't have hurt Taker at all - I'm pretty sure Taker's indestructible booking-wise at this point.

Mike



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#18 Posted on
When I see posts talking about how "his time is yet to come" or "one match won't kill him" or any of that, I am reminded of Test right after the Steph marrying HHH angle. I remember Test fighting HHH in a match where seemingly logical booking would say Test goes over and gets some revenge for being made to look like an ass. But instead he got squashed. And no matter what else they've done with him, he has NEVER gotten that over again in his career. A couple of years ago at the peak of the marriage angle there were a lot of people who could have easily envisioned Test going over HHH and taking his title and getting his revenge. Nowadays could anyone possibly envision World Champion Test? One match, done at the right time with the wrong result, can kill someone's career. No, this match might not be that way. But the fact is that it could, and its only Taker love or pure contrarianism that would say otherwise about this abomination of a match.

And Hippie, I had some of the fabled marks with me tonight, and at the end of the match they pretty much just punked out Cena, talking about how he got his ass whipped and how he's just a pussy and a wigger (their term, not mine).



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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    When I see posts talking about how "his time is yet to come" or "one match won't kill him" or any of that, I am reminded of Test right after the Steph marrying HHH angle. I remember Test fighting HHH in a match where seemingly logical booking would say Test goes over and gets some revenge for being made to look like an ass. But instead he got squashed. And no matter what else they've done with him, he has NEVER gotten that over again in his career. A couple of years ago at the peak of the marriage angle there were a lot of people who could have easily envisioned Test going over HHH and taking his title and getting his revenge. Nowadays could anyone possibly envision World Champion Test? One match, done at the right time with the wrong result, can kill someone's career. No, this match might not be that way. But the fact is that it could, and its only Taker love or pure contrarianism that would say otherwise about this abomination of a match.

    And Hippie, I had some of the fabled marks with me tonight, and at the end of the match they pretty much just punked out Cena, talking about how he got his ass whipped and how he's just a pussy and a wigger (their term, not mine).



Yeah, that's all true, but Test has absolutely no skill on the mic. I think that's the difference. He couldn't fight his way back up the ladder.
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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    I'm sorry, but this just shows how ridiculous a lot of people on this board are. You get so serious about every little sell and piece of offense. It's real sad you can't just sit back and enjoy a match. The Taker match was good, brutal, and in the end Cena still looked tough.
I have to agree. I enjoyed the match, couldn't decide who was going to win it, and was satisfied with it overall. Cena is awesome and will continue to be awesome, but having him beat Taker at this point would put him in line to be going after the WWE title, and I think they've got some mileage with him to put him into the US Title hunt.

I loved everything on the show except for Steph/Sable. Just when I think it could suck no more, here comes A-Train.

The main was good, Guerrero/Benoit was great (but should have been on MUCH later in the show...not the curtain jerker), even Gowen/Mc Mahon was decent. I don't know what Zach hit on Vince that would make him spout the way he did, but DANG.

I really thought the tag match would be set up to turn Kidman heel and build a Kidman/Mysterio feud.

Is it really a big deal if Torrie sleeps with Noble when she's already slept with Dawn Marie and acted slutty for Sable?

Why was the Wrestlemania 20 logo bigger and more prominent than the Vengeance logo on ring shots opposite the stage?

Excellent show.



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