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Well, based on what we have learned from SmackDown, the first SD PPV already has two "sure fire ***** classics":

+Vince McMahon vs. Zach Gowan-The World's First One-Legged Wrestler vs. The World's Creepiest Old Man. I'm not sure which one has the handicap, Gowan for missing a leg, or me for ordering the show already.

+Stephanie McMahon vs. Sable-The buyrate went up 3 points from people solely interested in seeing whose implants pop first.

And then there are the real wrestlers:

+U.S. Title Finals-I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing Billy Gunn vs. Matt Hardy. God loves an Assman I suppose.

+Tag Title Match: WGTT vs. The (Not So) Filthy Animals-This match has basically one reason for happening, so Kidman can turn. Chances are, what could be a show-stealer will get kept very short.

+Undertaker vs. John Cena-If you came looking for believable, consistent selling, you picked the wrong match. If Taker wins, all my faith in WWE will be shot.

+The Menage-A-Tois Match-I think the big question here is not who wins, but if Kurt and Brock kiss, will there be "Tongueage"?

I pray to the Wrestling Gods that this doesn't suck, but it ain't lookin' pretty.



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#2 Posted on
It might be one of the better PPV's of the year, which isn't saying much.

I say this due to the likelihood that if Hardy vs. Gunn is the U.S. Title Final then we will have 2 additional matches:

Guerrero-Tajiri and Benoit-Rhyno

I'm guessing Tajiri costs Guerrero his match against Gunn and Rhyno accidentally costs Benoit his match against Hardy.

These matches along w/ the Tag Title match, WWE Title match, and the potential that Taker does the right thing could make for a good PPV.

And probably a Pre-PPV match featuring Ultimo Dragon.





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    Originally posted by BigWhalebony
    It might be one of the better PPV's of the year, which isn't saying much.

    I say this due to the likelihood that if Hardy vs. Gunn is the U.S. Title Final then we will have 2 additional matches:

    Guerrero-Tajiri and Benoit-Rhyno

    I'm guessing Tajiri costs Guerrero his match against Gunn and Rhyno accidentally costs Benoit his match against Hardy.

    These matches along w/ the Tag Title match, WWE Title match, and the potential that Taker does the right thing could make for a good PPV.

    And probably a Pre-PPV match featuring Ultimo Dragon.




I don't know if Tajiri/Guerrero is PPV ready. If Toronto is indicative of overall fan opinion (and WM X8 DID prove telling in that it crystalized displeasure with Rock and HHH as top faces), then Eddie seems to be fairly popular still and a match between those two would be a disaster in the making. Then again, if Toronto (as a wrestling crowd) is full of shit, then it seems like a good idea for a match and a probable Match of the Night Candidate. We'll see when the SD crew gets back to the U.S.



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I don't think Eddy can turn heel simply by beating on Tajiri. Tajiri is a one dimensional character who appears and disappears from the show and doesn't speak English. This is not the guy you use to turn people heel, he's not exactly the beloved franchise.

I'm guessing the reaction to Eddy will be similar in the US, and let's hope they don't do another one of those force-fed promos they like to do to cement turns.



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    Originally posted by KevinKellyisFNHardcore
    If Toronto is indicative of overall fan opinion (and WM X8 DID prove telling in that it crystalized displeasure with Rock and HHH as top faces), then Eddie seems to be fairly popular still and a match between those two would be a disaster in the making. Then again, if Toronto (as a wrestling crowd) is full of shit, then it seems like a good idea for a match and a probable Match of the Night Candidate. We'll see when the SD crew gets back to the U.S.


If I can speak for all of Toronto for a minute (and I probably can't), we've evolved into a bit of a weird crowd. In the WCW days, we'd mark out for anyone that was formerly a WWF star (ie Curt Hennig), and we're still stuck on a lot of the legends ie Hogan and Flair.

Guerrero got the great crowd reaction (and honestly, probably the loudest face pop other than Angle that night) at SmackDown because I think we respect his work, and he cut an awesome promo (second only, again, to Angle/Cena). I think he'll still get the same reaction no matter where he goes, but I DO think the time is right for an Eddy-Tajiri match at Vengeance with Eddy capably playing the heel.

... even though Eddy's already signed for a match against Billy freaking Gunn... oh geez, I just realized that. Oh well.



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Are the semi-finals going to be on the PPV or Smackdown? There's two SD's until the PPV, I'm guessing we are having the semi's on TV... Hardy over Benoit, maybe with Shaniqua distraction setting up Benoit/Rhyno vs. Bashams at the PPV and if Benoit loses he's got to be SHaniqua's BoyToy (how disturbing is that!). On the other side I think they are going to have Gunn over Eddie with Tajiri interference, maybe setting up Eddie vs. Tajiri.

This Guerrero turn has me scratching my head. For months now the fans have been eating up his loveable cheater. He's on of the most legit over guys on SD, his match before turning (Eddie/Tajiri vs. Hass/Benjamin) it was a 20 minute match and the fans were so pro Eddie there was numerous Eddie chants through out the match. And you turn him heel, and the next week he Cheats-2-Win, which was the exact same thing he did to get over. So confusing.

As for the rest of the card, these two gimmick matches are bringing the card down. sure the matches are going to be short, but you take into account the video packages, entrances and backstage skits/interview, I wouldn't be surprise that it would take up as much time as the Red Neck Challenge that just totally dragged Bad Blood.

Here's hoping a tag title match, World Title match and the possibility of Eddie/Tajiri might make it a good PPV... At least on SD the Title matches have guys who can deliver a decent showing to save the PPV.







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They'll probably have Eddie turn heel by way of sexual harassment of Ms. Wilson. Blah..



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I don't think the card looks too "craptacular". Sure we have too sure fire sucky matches. But in my opinion, if Zach goes over Vince then this whole thing was worth it, I mean the guy survived CANCER and is living out his dream and will possibly beat the boss at the ppv.

Threeway match - Brock and Show have been putting on great matches, I don't think adding Kurt is going to make the match worse.

Cena/Undertaker - might not be pretty, but it should be a good brawl and hopefully Cena will atleast be able to cut a rap on Undertaker

Kidman/Mysterio vs. Haas/Benjamin - definite good match

I was thinking about having Benoit/Rhyno and Eddie/Tajiri in addition to the Gunn/Hardy finals too but then I decided the best scenario is actually...

Eddie vs. Matt for the US Title - I think the WWE will realize that Eddy is still over as a face and Billy is getting no reaction and go with Eddie as the face vs. heel Matt. You can still go with the Benoit/Rhyno breakup (or Benoit/Rhyno vs. Bashams works too) and you can have Gunn/Noble since it's a little bit more developed than Tajiri/Eddie.

Maybe also give Shannon another crack at Ultimo.

Just look in the bright side, APA and FBI aren't going to be there. I hope.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I don't think Eddy can turn heel simply by beating on Tajiri. Tajiri is a one dimensional character who appears and disappears from the show and doesn't speak English. This is not the guy you use to turn people heel, he's not exactly the beloved franchise.

    I'm guessing the reaction to Eddy will be similar in the US, and let's hope they don't do another one of those force-fed promos they like to do to cement turns.



he's pretty over for a one-dimensional character...and maybe tajiri's not wanting to cheat could do a role reversal.
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I don't think the card looks too "craptacular". Sure we have too sure fire sucky matches. But in my opinion, if Zach goes over Vince then this whole thing was worth it, I mean the guy survived CANCER and is living out his dream and will possibly beat the boss at the ppv.

    Threeway match - Brock and Show have been putting on great matches, I don't think adding Kurt is going to make the match worse.

    Cena/Undertaker - might not be pretty, but it should be a good brawl and hopefully Cena will atleast be able to cut a rap on Undertaker

    Kidman/Mysterio vs. Haas/Benjamin - definite good match

    I was thinking about having Benoit/Rhyno and Eddie/Tajiri in addition to the Gunn/Hardy finals too but then I decided the best scenario is actually...

    Eddie vs. Matt for the US Title - I think the WWE will realize that Eddy is still over as a face and Billy is getting no reaction and go with Eddie as the face vs. heel Matt. You can still go with the Benoit/Rhyno breakup (or Benoit/Rhyno vs. Bashams works too) and you can have Gunn/Noble since it's a little bit more developed than Tajiri/Eddie.

    Maybe also give Shannon another crack at Ultimo.

    Just look in the bright side, APA and FBI aren't going to be there. I hope.



Well, you may be a bit more positive than me. Let me look over the matches with a little less of a sarcastic eye and count the number of potentially good matches.

+Three Way Title Match: Brock and Angle can work, no doubt in my mind. Show spices it up with his heel act. Hopefully next week we see a little friction between the "Mega Powers Part Deux" to add some more spice. I think the key in that match will be who the fans root for. If there's a fifty-fifty split between Angle and Brock, we're good. If the crowd turns on Brock and goes with Angle, I think it will fluster Brock and throw him off his game. He's still kinda green (case in point, his hubris at trying to nail that SSP at WrestleMania when he could have dragged Angle closer to the center of the ring) and he may not be able to change his gameplan like Rock does so often when he draws heel heat as a babyface. The match should be good if given time. That's 1.

+Taker vs. Cena-There's not much to say other than the match will be a total waste if Taker doesn't sell and doesn't job. It could be at MOTYC, but if he UT goes over, it's a big middle finger to John Cena's career. PUSH.

+U.S. Title Match-Looks like Gunn and Hardy since Gunn is a favorite of management. I want Matt to win, but Gunn looks like he's the one getting the big push, what with Torrie and all. Matt hasn't shown the ability to carry guys yet and Gunn is a major slug who will probably blow up in the first 5 or 6 minutes. This will probably not be good.

+Tag Title Match-4 good workers and two teams that work together well, plus a heel turn in the making. The match should be good if given time. That's 2.

+Any match involving Benoit is one to watch, so that's 3 because I'm sure he'll be on the card in something.

+APA vs. FBI-Looks likely, maybe for Heat. It will suck. There is no question in my mind at this point.

+Vince vs. Zach Gowan-Hopefully we'll get a Street Fight stip., as Vince can't do much outside of that environment. Gowan is nothing but a spot machine, so all I see is him bumping for Vince for awhile, then hitting his big moves. Could be passable if kept short and have plenty of weapons and interferrence. PUSH.

+Nipple H vs. Mother Goose-Oh lord. This is the only match on the card that's been announced that I have zero faith in. Why not make this a bra and panties match or a Bikini contest? Oh that's right, Steph is ABOVE all that stuff. She's gotta wrestle. Stephanie has had two good matches, one with Lita (that had great heat and lots of interferrence) and one with Trish (where they just worked hard, probably because Trish takes pride in her work). Something tells me Sable won't be hustling to work a good match like Trish. Plus, I don't see a lot of heat for this either, outside of the obilgatory "We Want Puppies" chant. Tag it and bag it, this match is DOA.

Overall, there are 3 matches that are pretty much a lock to be watchable. If Eddie and Benoit meet in the U.S. title match, that will drop to two most likely as that would put two of the three best workers on SD in the same match and Gunn would probably work a match with Jamie Noble. The rest are destined to reek or are up in the air. Hopefully Taker/Cena delivers and McMahon and Gowan put their sideshow to bed early. Consider me cautious, leaning on the side of "craptacular".



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Boy, I never get tired of "insert PPV here" is gonna suck threads. They rock the party.



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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jackson
    Boy, I never get tired of "insert PPV here" is gonna suck threads. They rock the party.


And I never get tired of you complaining about posts either Jackson. You're THE KEENEST!



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Now this feud is gonna be craptacular!



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jackson
    Now this feud is gonna be craptacular!


Internet "feuding" is for women and the Scotsman. I don't post on this board to "feud" with anyone. Don't worry, I won't be calling you "gay" or insinuating that I "gave your mother a Filthy Sanchez". I will continue to bitch about wrestling because I find it cathartic since the product bums me out so much. If you find that to be a problem, then I'm sorry, but I'll keep on doing it for myself. You don't have to read it if you don't want to.



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I will continue to bitch about posting because I find it cathartic since the product bums me out so much. If you find that to be a problem, then I'm sorry, but I'll keep on doing it for myself. You don't have to watch wrestling if you........

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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    Are the semi-finals going to be on the PPV or Smackdown? There's two SD's until the PPV, I'm guessing we are having the semi's on TV...


I got the impression it was happening at the PPV, just because of the way the graphic was shown at the live SmackDown taping. Not sure if it was the same on TV, but they had graphics for Gunn-Guerrero and Benoit-Hardy with the Vengeance logo underneath.

Now, that might just mean that the FINALS of those two matches will be on PPV, but I don't think that's the case. Then again, if it does end up being only the finals on PPV and its Hardy-Gunn, we can get the afforementioned Benoit-Rhyno and Guerrero-Tajiri matches. So I hope I'm wrong...



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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG

      Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
      Are the semi-finals going to be on the PPV or Smackdown? There's two SD's until the PPV, I'm guessing we are having the semi's on TV...


    I got the impression it was happening at the PPV, just because of the way the graphic was shown at the live SmackDown taping. Not sure if it was the same on TV, but they had graphics for Gunn-Guerrero and Benoit-Hardy with the Vengeance logo underneath.

    Now, that might just mean that the FINALS of those two matches will be on PPV, but I don't think that's the case. Then again, if it does end up being only the finals on PPV and its Hardy-Gunn, we can get the afforementioned Benoit-Rhyno and Guerrero-Tajiri matches. So I hope I'm wrong...



The semis are next week on SmackDown. They announced it on Thursday. I distinctly remember the promo graphics.

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(edited by KevinKellyisFNHardcore on 12.7.03 1246)


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#18 Posted on
watch out! there's a hurricane coming through!Everyone thought Vince vs Hogan would be horrible at Wrestlemania and although not a great quality match it was very entertaining and fun.
This should be the same thing. I'm sure this will have some good stuff! Everyone just wants to put down anything that has Vince Mcmahon involved in it.
Sable vs. Stephanie will be better than any Torrie match by far and should have some good storyline implications. I could see Sable taking over Smackdown by Summerslam!



and thats all i have to say about that!
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by knightvibe
    Everyone thought Vince vs Hogan would be horrible at Wrestlemania and although not a great quality match it was very entertaining and fun.


There's a reason that Mania match was watchable. Hogan has forgotten more about ring pyschology than Gowan knows right now. Plus, Hogan was way over. Gowan is not.



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by knightvibe
    Everyone thought Vince vs Hogan would be horrible at Wrestlemania and although not a great quality match it was very entertaining and fun.


Actually it was horrible with the usual cheap spots to get the crowd into it.

At least Z/Mac won't have Hogan interfering and parlaying to a title shot at Summerslam which is what I was dreading would happen.

Maybe if Steph can at least get to her 2001 match vs. Trish and is willing to take a TKO etc. it might be decent.

Unless they pull a good one, I'm not up to seeing Taker beat Cena, or at least not lose without 3+ guys helping him out.

looks like the inevitable Billy push is true as well, with whoever the other guy is being stuck with him. Oh well, it's not like the US title meant much during invasion or even at the end of WCW.

The main event should work, although with the 3-way format you might see Show win.

tags--should work, but I expect Kidman' turn pretty soon and it'd be odd for Charlie and Shelton to give up the belts early.

I hope there's more than that, probably just keeping under wraps until the next SD!.
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