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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.58
From PWBTS.com:

"I understand that Val Venis' six year tenure with WWE is on "thin ice", despite Venis doing more than has been asked of him, including a stint in OVW where he displayed great attitude and went out of his way to pass on knowledge to others. From what I am aware, there is no heat with management, it's simply a case that creative feel that they are almost at the end of the road with what can be done with him. It's possible he will work TV shortly to put others over but besides that the real life Sean Morley's WWE career looks very bleak.

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If this is true then things don't look good for Val. To be honest I was into him when he became Bischoff's boy but then when Austin and Bischoff "fired" him and he came back again as Val Venis, I kinda lost interest again. He is a good worker but I don't think the old "adult film star" works anymore.

(edited by y4j1981 on 6.4.04 0822)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
If there's nothing to do with him, there's nothing to do. He's been firmly in the midcard for all six years of his tenure, so I can understand creative not giving him a whole lot of priority.
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Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.



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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

    Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.


That would certainly send an interesting message. Like, "here is this guy you certainly know from his once promising, then extremely mediocre run in the WWF/WWE, but he's better than anyone WE'VE got right now."



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09

Should Val get released and go to TNA, I wonder how long it would be before Lance Storm joined him to reform their once promising team ...




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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

      Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.


    That would certainly send an interesting message. Like, "here is this guy you certainly know from his once promising, then extremely mediocre run in the WWF/WWE, but he's better than anyone WE'VE got right now."


See also Jeff Jarrett (both in WCW and TNA), Raven, D-Lo Brown, Ron "K-Kwik" Killings...have I missed anyone?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
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i read online somewhere that he has been playing a heel at house shows. I can't remember whom he was wrestling, but it could be an indication of some new direction. But it was probably just for the other wrestler's benefit.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

      Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.


    That would certainly send an interesting message. Like, "here is this guy you certainly know from his once promising, then extremely mediocre run in the WWF/WWE, but he's better than anyone WE'VE got right now."


Pssst kayfabe is dead.
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    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by ekedolphin
        Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

        Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.


      That would certainly send an interesting message. Like, "here is this guy you certainly know from his once promising, then extremely mediocre run in the WWF/WWE, but he's better than anyone WE'VE got right now."


    See also Jeff Jarrett (both in WCW and TNA), Raven, D-Lo Brown, Ron "K-Kwik" Killings...have I missed anyone?


Yeah, but at least Jeff Jarrett and Raven were pretty big-time guys when they showed up in TNA. I guess I was thinking that since they've been around for a while now does TNA really need to bring ex-WWE guys in and put them right at the top, STILL?

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Pssst kayfabe is dead.


For you and me, my friend, but there are PLENTY of fans out there who would say "WHAT's dead?" And that wasn't really a kayfabe thing, was it? *I* didn't think so.



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I think Venis could be useful if he got the right character makeover, but when he returned as Venis AGAIN, I knew things weren't looking good for him.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
They shoulda moved him to Smackdown; newly turned libertarian Sean Morley woulda made a cool ally for JBL.

The Val Venis character is at the end of it's rope. The same thing was true four years ago when he joined RTC. It sucks that it's worked out this way because he's a decent all around performer and a pretty cool guy, although I've heard through the grapevine that he's not happy at all with his current situation so maybe a release would do him some good in more ways than one.

I don't know if he'd be so quick to jump to TNA. He's got political aspirations, which may provide an intriguing alternative at this stage.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Well, Val's certainly a talented wrestler. If he's released by WWE, he'll be in NWA-TNA in no time. No way he stays unemployed for long.

      Heck, he might even be an immediate contender for the NWA World Heavyweight Title.


    That would certainly send an interesting message. Like, "here is this guy you certainly know from his once promising, then extremely mediocre run in the WWF/WWE, but he's better than anyone WE'VE got right now."


Whatever happened to the days where a change of fed would be all a lifelong midcarder needed to put him over the top? When Steve Austin and Chris Jericho (eternal midcarders in WCW) rose to the main event in the WWF, it didn't say, "Hey, they're better than anyone WE'VE got," but rather it said, "Hey, these guys didn't get a fair chance to show what they can REALLY do!"

I'm not saying Val Venis is the next Stone Cold (oh lord, no!), but his future shouldn't completely be written off because he's been a midcarder for his entire tenure. And if he were to make the main event in TNA, that shouldn't be a knock on TNA's talent.




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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.48
I think it's very telling that WWE Creative can't come up with anything else for a wrestler with good size, a great look, good decent skills and well-above-average ring skills . . .

(edited by Hoodle on 6.4.04 1412)
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Pssst kayfabe is dead.


    For you and me, my friend, but there are PLENTY of fans out there who would say "WHAT's dead?" And that wasn't really a kayfabe thing, was it? *I* didn't think so.


Agreeing with JayJayDean on this...if you listened to the Paul Bearer interview on Byte This the week after Mania you'll find out he was under WWE contract in October and nobody to my knowledge found that out or posted on the web. That was a common day kafabe and it wasn't dead.

Also, Val, is one of the most talented guys on the roster in my book. Come on CREATIVE create something for him!

(edited by jwrestle on 6.4.04 1717)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I don't think TNA fans would see Sean Morley beating a TNA wrestler and think, "Oh all these guys suck cause they got beat by Val Venis and he lost to guys in WWE!" That's a kayfabe mentality. They'll just be happy there's another good wrestler who can provide them with fresh matchups.

Maybe if Funaki went in and started beating AJ Styles every week but Sean Morley's a good enough worker that he'd quickly make people forget about his past. D'Lo got over pretty quickly once he showed that he wasn't being utilized well in WWE. The same would happen to Morley after a couple good matches. I think the fans would think, "Damn this guy is pretty good! WWE is stupid for letting him go."

I hope WWE gives Morley another shot, though. Sure he's lacking the extra charisma that would take him to the top but he's a veteran who could help out a lot of the inexperienced guys on the roster. They had something going with the Chief Morley role then they canned that and stuck him back in the lame Val Venis gimmick. Heck even the Venis/Storm team was pretty good in the ring and starting to get decent reactions until Storm hurt his elbow and it got derailed.
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fuelinjected: '...I think the fans would think, "Damn this guy is pretty good! WWE is stupid for letting him go."

That, in a nutshell has been NWATNA's biggest problem. They never let the *fans* make up their minds as it relates above. The first thing out of EVERYONE who gets turfed from WWE is "They held me down. I am GREAT! They didn't know what they had! POLITICS! POLITICS! POLITICS! ad nauseum. D'Lo Brown specifically comes to mind - the audience went APESHIT when he came out, but a 10 minute "shoot" promo later, the fans were apathetic, to say the least. Ditto to everyone else who has done that...

It worked 10 years ago in ECW, because it was new (and because the Philly fans reveled in being the bottom of the barrel to begin with). The TNA crowd kinda sorta needs to be *allowed* to make up their minds, as they are neither jaded nor cynical. Oddly enough, it boils down to basic wrestling and letting the fans fall in love with you (Styles, Chris Harris - Southern) vs. Show Your Ass With Inside Jargon and End Up A Midcarder (Northeast).

Anyway - Val Venis has wrestled the exact same match, nearly to the move, since 1999 (knee to the gut in the ropes twice, SIIIDE Russian leg sweep, slap the mat, etc). But who ain't. Storm, on the other hand, would RULE in TNA land.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I agree but that's Russo for ya. Everything still revolves around WWE for him. Even his new "clean" approach revolves around WWE and not being "dirty" like WWE.

When the babyface does the "I was held down" promo now, it just sounds like whining because we've heard it so many times. Just put the guy in a 15 minute match with someone like AJ Styles and it will be a far more effective way of showing how the guy was held down then any promo.

Val's been wrestling the same match because all he gets is the 4-5 minutes. About a month or so ago on Heat, they let him and Randy Orton go for about 15 minutes and it was probably Orton's best match in WWE to date.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
The WWE has a habit of focusing too much on the storyline, and letting the good/potentially good talent rot and go to waste, and only focusing on the big time stars. This is why people like Kanyon get 'released', because the WWE has no use for them and is too lazy/uninterested in making some role for them. Whats the point of good talent coming in when the WWE does not acknowledge their existance because 'more important events' are happening.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.56
I'll never figure out why they cut the Chief Morley character. Maybe Morley himself requested to go back to Venis?
As the pseudo-administrator pussyboy, Morley was awesome. His feud with the Dudleys was memorable, especially when they FINALLY got to kick his ass. When he was shunted back to the old gimmick, I said "WHAT THE HELL!?"
It seems like such a waste.



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