Pretty good show, I thought. Much different from the original, but in a good way. I didn't see the big twists coming in the last ten minutes, so/and they worked for me.
Even the things I am thinking of complaining about, I can explain in the context of the story, so I think I'll definitely give it the first four episodes and see where we are after that.
The only thing I can really take issue with was the JFK/9-11 comparisons at the top of the show - JFK's assassination and 9/11 seemed a little over the top compared to...the first appearance of the mother ships? WOW.
Two of "The Nine" in the cast? Nice to see they're still getting work, but this show was the Elizabeth Mitchell hour. Erica Evans is already a more interesting character than LOST's Juliet.
So when do we get to see Laura Vandervoort's boobies - before or after she seduces the punk?
Sadly, no Hulu link active until Saturday despite no rerun from ABC, so my word of mouth won't help you much for a few days.
I wish the pilot were two hours. It felt a little sparse. I wonder how it played to people who'd never seen the original miniseries either when it aired, on DVD, or on Syfy over the last few days?
Having refreshed my memories of V thanks to Syfy, it was interesting how the new V zigged where the original zagged:
1) The Nazi/Jew parable is out in favor of a religious parable ("the Saviors of humanity") mixed with the hot button issue of "universal health care". Literally, in V's case.
2) The Visitors looking more corporate and refined as opposed to military. I sort of missed the red uniforms, red sunglasses, and especially the amplified voices. Also the Visitors' modified Swastika logo.
3) Elizabeth Mitchell's son, which eliminated the sociopath kid in the miniseries who joined the Visitors and sold his family out to them and merging that character instead with the girl who had the hots for a Visitor and ended up giving birth to the Starchild.
4) The Visitors announcing right away via Anna's introductory video that they wanted Earth's water, which was a big secret in the original V, along with their being lizards and intention to kidnap humans for food.
5) The reveal that the Visitors are reptilian was kind of just tossed out there in dialogue. I suppose at this point the first thing anyone who knows anything about V knows is that the Visitors are lizards so they didn't bother to act like it was a big shock. Alan Tudyk's sudden appearance as part of the Visitors' raid on the meeting was pretty surprising though. And I was wondering what the point of Morris Chestnut's character was. I never saw him being a Visitor coming, so that was a cool spin on how some Visitors are part of the Resistance in the original V.
Although I cringed at the implications that Visitors positioned on Earth for decades are responsible for all our problems (the "unjust wars" line was a bit of an eyeroller), I was wondering what the fuck all this plot about the FBI investigating terrorist cells was about when there are ALIENS in this story. I really liked the reveal at the end that the Visitors are the cell.
Elizabeth Mitchell said the Visitors were arming themselves with the most powerful weapon out there: devotion. Really, because the word that came to my mind was "sex." Morena Baccarin and Laura Vandervoort? I'd walk a mile to kiss those reptiles.
This was great - I definitely have some criticisms, but I think, over all, this was pretty true to the series. I think my favorite part was the kids on TV talking about how "this *is* Independence Day, but Independence Day was a ripoff of..."
Anna has got a long ways to go to get to level of evil achieved by Diana. But it's only the first episode, so....
Originally posted by PeterStorkReally cool. SciFiSyFy running the original leading up to it (well, ending a half-hour into the new one...good timing, chief) made for an interesting afternoon/evening.
I noticed that the original miniseries on SyFy ended at 8:30 but then I remembered that SyFy is owned by NBC/Universal and I wondered of they did that on purpose.
Definitely liked the pilot, but I agree that it could have used 2 hours to build to the big reveals at the end of the episode. I was unspoiled so I never even thought about either guy being a V.
Originally posted by John OrquiolaThe reveal that the Visitors are reptilian was kind of just tossed out there in dialogue. I suppose at this point the first thing anyone who knows anything about V knows is that the Visitors are lizards so they didn't bother to act like it was a big shock.
My thoughts exactly. It would have been cool to see them eat a live hamster, but like you said, most people watching this show know what they were getting in advance.
I definitely liked how the red V is a symbol of support for the Visitors as opposed to what it stood for in the original.
All in all, I hope this gets huge ratings, because you have 3 more episodes and then won't see another one until March. And they are going to need momentum with a 3+ month break.
Is Elizabeth Mitchell's son going to end up on a serving platter? And can he dial up to the level of scumbaggery that Daniel Bernstein did?
I am sure it will get a huge rating, but as it stands now there is only four episodes that will be shown in November and no more til March if its a hit. They are also replacing show runners as of yesterday. The show also got more time for re-writes, I think ABC is not happy with this show, but like I said big ratings make for big love. I didn't catch due to running into a V fan dressed in the original outfit at Baltimore Comic-Con. He told me, it moved way too fast from the mini-series and said some of the changes make no sense. As for me as soon as I saw they changed around what V meant, I was done. The scene with the Jewish couple spray painting V over the Visitor's poster is one of the most powerful scenes in the original series.
Diana was the female villain of the 80s. However, if you go back and look it at, she kills as many major Visitor leaders then the Resistance. After re-watching both mini-series this weekend, I find myself hating the show more. I may watch the pilot, but to me this is another reboot that is no where near as good as the original.
Originally posted by The ThrillHey, we had Aaron Rodgers on tonight!
Did he do the show from a hospital bed?
Ted Thompson is a complete moron. Try signing some free agent offensive lineman.
My dad was devastated on Sunday. I told him to hang tough. I remember sitting there with him and my brother watching Rich Campbell and Randy Wright at County Stadium overthrow Lofton and stink up the joint. It could be worse.
Looking forward to the new V. I hope it doesn't suck. Jane Badler was blistering in the original, shoulder-pads and all.
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Originally posted by lotjxI am sure it will get a huge rating, but as it stands now there is only four episodes that will be shown in November and no more til March if its a hit.
Overnight ratings bode well:
ABC: "V" series premiere (13.9 million, 8.5/13) [EDIT: The final numbers are even higher: 14.3 million viewers.]
It was also the 8pm leader in 18-49, not surprisingly. Not world conquering ratings but pretty solid. And it seems like the general consensus from critics and the Internet is positive.
As for the scheduling, I actually like the 4 episodes in November then hiatus idea. 4 episodes is the equivalent of the four hour original miniseries, which was also open ended. Hopefully the story they tell in the next 3 hours expands and deepens and leaves people wanting more. If so, March is not too long at all to wait for this century's version of V: The Final Battle. I mean, many of us have had to endure year long waits for new episodes of Battlestar Galactica, Lost, or even 18 months for new 24. 4 months is nothing compared to that.
V definitely benefits from a second watch. It not only holds up but little things in the first 20 minutes start to make a lot of sense. For instance, Morris Chestnut's entire conversation buying the engagement ring and asking whether getting down on one knee is the procedure takes on a whole new light when you know he's a Visitor. His facial reactions to all the newscasts about the Visitors are also telling.
When Alan Tudyk asks Elizabeth Mitchell why she has a problem with the aliens calling themselves Visitors, she says "Visitors are old friends who drop by expectedly." That line has extra nuance when we know the Visitors didn't just arrive but have been on Earth for decades.
As somebody who didn't watch the original I thought this was just alright even though I like most of the cast.
The pacing is just horrible. For 45 minutes nothing happens and then in 5 minutes too much happens. In the blink of an eye we learn that the V's are lizards, they've been living here for decades, Elizabeth Mitchell's partner is really a V, Morris Chestnut is a V but he's a good one.
If the V's in the original are lizards and they've been living there for decades then I can understand going through those reveals quickly for the fans that already know but they could have at least spread it out over the episode. But Tudyk's revel and Chestnut's reveal are too soon and too close together. Everybody is calling the actors by their real names and not their character's names because we don't even know the characters yet and two have already switched from humans to aliens. I know that after the middle seasons of Lost some people are wary of stretching stories out too long but that span of five minutes was about as ridiculous as the end of the Departed.
Originally posted by QuezzyIf the V's in the original are lizards and they've been living there for decades then I can understand going through those reveals quickly for the fans that already know but they could have at least spread it out over the episode. But Tudyk's revel and Chestnut's reveal are too soon and too close together.
I think the pacing had more to do with getting things out of the way that most people already knew, and revealing that Tudyk's character was a Visitor was just to show how close and integrated they had become. For me, one of the most compelling aspects of the original series was that the Visitors themselves had a moral compass - and it looks like they are going to make that a more integral part of the show.
And the more I think about this - the pilot is almost a cross between the original V series and They Live.
I was eight when the first series aired and at the time, I loved it more than pretty much anything ever. I was afraid it wouldn't hold up, so I've refused to buy the DVDs and rewatch them (even though I never did see one episode and I'm still bitter about it). Similarly, I was pretty skeptical about this one being able to live up to my faded memories. I'm not in the best position to compare the old and new series, but... man. Two minutes in and I was marking out like a little kid again. Loved it.
Originally posted by John Orquiola 1) The Nazi/Jew parable is out in favor of a religious parable ("the Saviors of humanity")
I'm gonna pick nits about the line where the Vatican supposedly issues a statement about aliens on the same day that the Visitors arrive ... The Vatican has actually accepted the possibility of extraterrestrial life since May of 2008 (bbc.co.uk).
Also, I like how it's acknowledged (by the initial throng of reporters) that the chances of humans and aliens looking so similar would be astronomical, but the Visitors claim that "their" scientists have a perfectly logical explanation ... without actually giving an explanation (i.e. the writers couldn't think of one). That was a little lazy on their part
Nevertheless, I enjoyed the pilot and look forward to what lies ahead.
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Never saw the original, but how did anyone NOT see Tudyk's turn coming? The whole "there's a mole in the group" thread combined with Tudyk's general awesomeness meant there had to be something special about him. I liked how he went at Erica from behind, and when it seemed like she accidently hit him, they gave you a good moment of him staring her down so you knew he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. That said, his turn was a shame. I would love a precursor series of Mitchell and Tudyk as counterterrorism agents snarking their way through sleeper cell after sleeper cell.
Even if you hadn't seen the original, didn't they blow the moneyshot of the lizard skin in the trailers? I can't wait to see a full on V outside of costume.
I like how Chestnut's a sympathetic V. It'll be interesting to see how his part in the resistance plays out with him being engaged.
So long as Mitchell is the lead, I'm in.
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I don't disagree with you -- although not having seen the other Foreign Nominees (and Lives of Others does look really good), I can't work up too much anger. (Also, I'm pretty sure you liked Pan more than I did.)