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Since: 6.11.03
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"Wrestling Killer" Lionel Tate's Conviction Overturned.

No word on whether he'll be released until the retrial. No wonder I left Florida.



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Since: 17.11.03
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As much as I hate to use even the shortened version of a cuss word, you're right, that is un-f'n-believable. For those of you who don't know about this (and I'm assuming that would be very few) check out Mick Foleys second book on Lionel tate. Pretty interesting how they wanted to make the kid seem innocent for brutally killing a little girl and having his lawyers cliam it was pro wrestling influenced.



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It's been long enough that I don't remember for sure, but wasn't he supposedly at least mildly retarded? I could've sworn that was part of the original defense, that he couldn't have known how dangerous what he was doing was... if that was the case, he should have had a competancy hearing right off the bat.

If I'm mistaken, though... then there're a few people who deserve to be slapped, hard and often.



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    Originally posted by mercer
    As much as I hate to use even the shortened version of a cuss word, you're right, that is un-f'n-believable.

    Without veering too far off-topic, I honestly tried to find another way to express it and none came to mind. Sometimes there is just no other exclamation that fits, and this is one of those times. Anyone who remembers the details of this case knows it's appropriate here.

    It was like when Bobby Cremins was set to become leave Ga. Tech and become the Gamecock's coach and out of the blue changed his mind... our sportscaster cut into "Soul Train" on a Saturday morning ready to deliver the report. Not realizing he was on the air yet, he echoed the sentiments of every person watching: "unfuckingbelievable".

    (edited by Barbwire Mike on 10.12.03 1313)


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I just looked the issue up, and realistically, this is probably the correct legal result. He *was* 12 years old when he killed the girl, accidentally or not, and not mentally stable. The court ruled that he was not competent to participate in his defense, and given that he was facing mandatory life, this competency was constitutionally mandated. Especially illuminating was the fact that he rejected a deal that would've given him 5 years in Juvy, 5 years in adult detention, or something like that. I'd like to think that whatever your opinion of the lawyer who proffered the "blame the wrestler" defense, you'd feel that in a civilzed country 12-year-olds shouldn't receive natural life sentences...
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Since: 6.11.03
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.72
You're right. Let's just let bygones be bygones. After all, it won't be long before he's killed someone else and is back inside.



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    Originally posted by madiq
    I'd like to think that whatever your opinion of the lawyer who proffered the "blame the wrestler" defense, you'd feel that in a civilzed country 12-year-olds shouldn't receive natural life sentences...


I can't believe you seriously think a country can be called 'civilized' when it bends over backwards to keep from punishing people that beat others to death.

I suppose this is splitting into 'politics' now...


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.72
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    I suppose this is splitting into 'politics' now...


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I ALMOST posted this there instead, but it was such a big wrestling story when it happened. It's sort of funny that Meltzer seems shocked every story about it today is still reporting it as "the wrestling murder" when he remembers that being considered such a bogus ploy from everyone... but he was all over the story in the Observer every week when it was all going down.

Incidentally, thanks to sheer boredom at work today I happened across this minutes after it went on Fox's website. Weinerboard readers saw it at least an hour before any of the big news sites got around to it.

(edited by Barbwire Mike on 10.12.03 1707)


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