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|  #1 Posted on 10.4.05 0005.41 | Instant Rating: 3.23 | Results were...
1) Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian by TKO in the 1st round. Ref stopped it when Sanchez was raining down punches from the mount.
2) Forrest Giffrin beat Stephan Bonnar by unanimous decision. All 3 judges scored it 29-28 for Griffin. This was a GREAT goddamn fight! It was on the feet almost the entire time and they were just letting loose with punches. Gonna be tough to top this for fight of the year.
3) Rich Franklin beat Ken Shamarock by TKO in the 1st round. Similar finish to the fist fight. Franklin was on top in the mount and connected on about 20 straight shots with Ken not defending himself.
Sanchez and Griffin both won UFC contracts, a new Scion, a dirtbike and a fancy watch. Also, after the decision in the Griffin-Bonnar fight, Dana White announced that they were awarding Bonnar a UFC contract as well. That was really cool because it was such an awesome fight and so close that both men could stake a claim to winning.
They did a recap of the TUF season to start off, then did profiles on Sanchez and Florian. First fight didn't start until 30 minutes or so into the show. They also got a lot of plugs in for next weeks PPV. Koscheck & Leben were shown rignside during the show, but none of the other matches at the event were ever mentioned.
Dark match results (from Meltzer)
Alex Karalexis b Josh Raffery via knockout
Mike Swick b Alex Schoenauer via ref stoppage
Josh Koscheck b Chris Sanford via knockout
Nate Quarry b Lodune Sincaid via ref stoppage
Chris Leben b Jason Thacker as well.
Sam Hoger b Bobby Southworth via unanimous decision (I really want to see Bobby's post-fight comments after this one.)
There are encores airing 4/10 at 10PM and 4/11 right after Raw. See it for the Griffin-Bonnar fight.
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| #2 Posted on 10.4.05 0727.04 | Instant Rating: 1.60 | I bet the UFC brass was a bit worried when the Sanchez-Florian match ended up being so dull. That Griffin-Bonnar fight more than made up for it though. Ten times over. That's the most entertaining (not saying it was the best "technically") UFC fight I've seen in years.
Had no idea they were going to do prelim fights with the other contestants as well. After seeing some of the contestants looking just fine in the crowd during the live broadcast I never would have known.
I noticed they kept Leben and Koscheck apart...not to mention giving both of them some of the lesser guys to go against as well. I'd expect they'll try to have another match between them on an upcoming PPV before too long...they may not have won the contracts or whatever but there's probably enough interest in both the two of them and a rematch between the two of them for it to happen sooner than later.
And yeah, I'd LOVE to see what Southworth has to say about losing to Hoger. | Von Maestro
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| #3 Posted on 10.4.05 1041.21 | Instant Rating: 1.92 | The Bonner/Griffin fight was great, but I was SHOCKED when I heard how close the judges scored the fight & floored when I heard it went for Griffin.
Watching the fight, it just seemed like Bonner got in way more shots & did way more damage. The first & third rounds were close, & I would have called the first round & draw & the 3rd slightly for Griffin, but the second round was all Bonner. I think the main reason White gave Bonner the contract right there was cause he also felt Bonner got hosed & realized he'd have gotten heat from fans for the crummy decision.
Throughout the show you kept hearing them say how "you shouldn't leave it in the judges hands". I think the reason for that is that the UFC judging is terrible! From all of the decisions on the show, I think I agreed with only 2...
It was an awesome fight though & there is definitely money in the rematch!! :-) | fuelinjected
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|  #4 Posted on 10.4.05 1250.42 | Instant Rating: 4.80 | But you admit that it was a very close fight and in a close fight, you have to accept that it could go either way. Another thing I've learned with UFC judging is the different perspective they have. On TV, it looks like some punches land that really don't. They can see every blow and how much damage it inflicts.
This is what happens with a Round-by-Round scoring system as opposed to Pride, who score based on the entire fight. Using the round system, I can see and agree with the Griffin decision. It was unanimous after all. If it were in PRIDE, I'd probably give it to Bonnar because Griffin was so gassed in the 2nd round and not doing much except trying not to get knocked out. Bonnar made a strategic error in the 3rd Round by trying to counter-punch and knockout Griffin. He almost did it, though, but that big kick didn't connect. Forrest managed to dig deep enough to press the fight and win the round. Forrest also got a few takedowns in the 1st, which is what I thought gave him the round.
Ken Shamrock really doesn't have much left in the tank and it looks like he knows it. BUT Shamrock understands the business side of the sport and wants to see it grow so he used his name to go on national TV and fight someone that he knew could probably beat him. He could have held out for another PPV match or got some bum to fight but he knew it was a win-win situation for UFC and good for the sport. Either he wins and the UFC can use him in another PPV Main Event or he loses and everyone knows who Rich Franklin is.
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| #5 Posted on 10.4.05 1328.20 | Instant Rating: 2.33 | Shamrock-Franklin was great, acting as a David-Goliath battle of sorts. Shamrock's class was extremely nice to see.
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| #6 Posted on 10.4.05 1705.03 | Instant Rating: 5.00 | I don't know if I'd go and buy a PPV, but I enjoyed last night's fights.
Diego was fun to watch; especially with Rogan, because he had that wet-behind-the-ears-OMG-I-won reaction.
Griffin/Bonnar was great. My question is, why was it considered an awesome match in the history of the UFC? Not that I'm taking anything away from it... but since it is one of the first live MMA fights I've seen, the question is more out of curiosity.
The other question -- why MMA? My wife asked me that question, and I said there was more to MMA/UFC than boxing in strategy and training. I'd like to know what you think that MMA has over boxing, if and why it hasn't transcended to that next level in popularity, too.
As for Shamrock -- maybe back to the WWheE?
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| #7 Posted on 10.4.05 2024.26 | Instant Rating: 4.59 | I'd love to see Shamrock make another WWE run...but doubt it will ever happen. Surprised he got taken out so quickly last night though.
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| #8 Posted on 10.4.05 2122.42 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | I don't think UFC has horrible judges, people just have different opinions. i thought Griffin won rounds 1 and 3 and Bonnar won round 2, so I had no problem with the decision.id
It was good to see Shamrock act classy, but Franklin was classy too. He realized that Shamrock dn't have to give him the match and thanked him for the oppurtunity to make a name for himself.
Man, after Bobby went nuts after losing to Bonnar I can't imagine how he would react to losing to Sam who was possibly his least favorite guy there. I also would've loved to see Nate fight, he seemed like the smartest guy out of the whole bunch but we never got to see him fight because of his injury.
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| #9 Posted on 11.4.05 0753.59 | Instant Rating: 1.59 | I watched the show Saturday and was nervous becasue Diego/Kenny was such a snoozer I thought the rest of the show was going to be more of the same. And, I think I actually heard some booing from the crowd during that match.
Then Forrest/Stephan came on and blew me away. Not so much with the fighting, which was great, but with their heart and tenacity. Both of them seemed to realize what a great opportunity lay at their feet and netiehr of them was willing to lose that. How both of them stayed up for 15 minutes was beyond me.
My take on the fight is that Stephan won a close one. But I am not a UFC Judge so they may have been seeing things I was not looking for, especially when I was jumping out of my seat and screaming "How are they keeping thi space up?" every minute.
I thought both fighters did well and came across great in the interview afterwards. And everytime Forrest spoke, all I kept thinking was how much of a fan favorite he would be if he was in the WWE.
Shamrock/Franklin was OK but I actually thought had Shamrock not slipped, he would have won. But we will never know.
Good finale. With some najor tweaking next year, this show will be much much better. They have a solid hot on their hands if they can get the right amount of fighting onto each episode.
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| #10 Posted on 11.4.05 0856.31 | Instant Rating: 1.63 | Shamrock "slips" two times in less than a minute? The fix was in!
AWESOME fight between Forrest and Stephan. One of those that you hated the fact that they even had to pick a winner.
Sanchez is a boring fighter, but he wins, so, he has that going for him. He was truely classy in victory as well.
They showed Coscheck and Lebin, but none of the others? Both won thier fights. Seems as though THEY might get a real contract as well out of the deal.
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| #11 Posted on 11.4.05 1059.46 | Instant Rating: 4.42 | I don't think Sanchez is boring, I like his submission style and think he's a great character, I think the first match was boring because Florian was in there. Let's face it the only reason he beat Leben was because he got cut open, Leben would've beaten him if not for that. Koscheck beat Leben so he probably could've beaten Florida too. And we saw what happened when Florian faced Diego. So Florida really was the fourth best, maybe fifth best depending on how good Nate is, in that division.
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| #12 Posted on 11.4.05 1101.14 | Instant Rating: 8.44 | Originally posted by Quezzy
Let's face it the only reason he beat Leben was because he got cut open, Leben would've beaten him if not for that.
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| #13 Posted on 11.4.05 1842.08 | Instant Rating: 4.97 | Originally posted by Teppan-Yaki
. My question is, why was it considered an awesome match in the history of the UFC? Not that I'm taking anything away from it... but since it is one of the first live MMA fights I've seen, the question is more out of curiosity
Because these guys wailed on each other for 15 minutes. Normal people (and even normal fighters) can't take all that much punishment and keep dealing it out. They could have been knocked out about 4 or 5 times in the fight, but they stayed on their feet.
This isn't the movies. You can't usually take 8 punches and still get up. And let me tell you, those four ounce gloves show no mercy.
If you fought these guys with 16oz gloves, they could probably knock you out.
A lot of MMA fights have one or two turning points in them. The better man usually will win. But these two guys were so evenly matched that they just kept trading blows and combos over and over. They showed tremendous heart. | CarlCX
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| #14 Posted on 11.4.05 2112.08 | Instant Rating: 6.39 | | The UFC heads should be thanking their respective deities that Griffin and Bonnar went the full three rounds. Without that fight, their would-be cable breakout premiere would have consisted of ninety minutes of hype, a fight that lasted all of a minute and a half (provided you ignore the minute they spent dancing around each other), and one of their living legends being beaten after literally falling on his ass. | The 5th Horseman
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| #15 Posted on 12.4.05 0123.28 | Instant Rating: 5.00 | It is a damn shame Nate "The Rock" Quarry was injured before he could fight on the show. A Middleweight final between Nate and Diego would have probably been the result (unless they met during the show at some point) and it would have been a great matchup, IMO! Both guys are so good at submissions.
You'll probably see Nate in the UFC anyway. He's a member of Team Quest along with Randy Couture (and Chris Leben, which is why Couture chose Nate and Leben for his team on the show). | Ozzysun
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| #16 Posted on 12.4.05 0823.12 | Instant Rating: 1.79 | | I kept waiting to hear Joe Rogan tell someone they were the Ultimate Fighting Champion and obviously Fear wasn't a Factor for them. | KaneRobot
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| #17 Posted on 12.4.05 1350.38 | Instant Rating: 1.52 | Yeah, it should have been Leben instead of Florian, but "it's better to be lucky than good" I guess. Too bad it wasn't, since the show probably would have been that much better. Still, even with most of the show being hype packages and incentives to buy the next PPV, I don't have any complaints thanks to the 205-class fight.
Watching it for a second time I'm not as surprised as I was originally seeing Griffin win. Bonnar appeared to have the most dominant round since Griffin looked about ready to die at the end of the second, but Griffin looked like he won the first and the third was pretty much a toss-up. Griffin did seem to be pushing forward more. If Bonnar hadn't thrown that fancy kick in the third it probably would have seemed even more obvious.
They really seemed to be suggesting Shamrock was finished after that last fight. Rogan kept saying stuff like "thank you for all you've done" instead of saying "we know you'll be back" and stuff like that. Maybe he just felt stupid after repeating his inaccurate mantra of Shamrock being much better now than he was 8 years ago. | Ozzysun
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| #18 Posted on 12.4.05 1435.25 | Instant Rating: 1.79 | Originally posted by KaneRobot
They really seemed to be suggesting Shamrock was finished after that last fight. Rogan kept saying stuff like "thank you for all you've done" instead of saying "we know you'll be back" and stuff like that. Maybe he just felt stupid after repeating his inaccurate mantra of Shamrock being much better now than he was 8 years ago.
I got that impression as well. Even some of the things that Shamrock said himself sounded like he was eluding to retiring. | Hogan's My Dad
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| #19 Posted on 13.4.05 0104.09 | Instant Rating: 4.56 | Originally posted by Packman V2
I'd love to see Shamrock make another WWE run...but doubt it will ever happen. Surprised he got taken out so quickly last night though.
Why would they want him at this point, anyway? He's really lost badly in several recent fights. He's severely damaged good by now.
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| #20 Posted on 17.4.05 1134.23 | Instant Rating: 3.81 | I think Diego was the best and most exciting fighter. He won all his matches by knockout/submission. It would've been a good match to see him against Chris Leben, but Chris already lost twice, so I don't feel bad for him. Bobby got screwed more because the judges and the commish were against him. Then they brought him back just to send him home again. I'm a bit surprised he lost to Sam in the dark match.
I also felt bad for Nate because he looks like a good fighter. His injury was the fault of the trainer for sparring six guys in the ring at once. I wouldn't be training in Team Quest if I were him.
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