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ATLANTA -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick injured his right ankle and was taken off the field on a cart Saturday night during an exhibition game against Baltimore.

Vick was chased out of the pocket on a third-down play late in the first quarter and was tackled by Adalius Thomas. Vick fell awkwardly on his right leg, and grabbed it even before he fell all the way to the ground.

Thomas, after briefly celebrating the tackle, came back over to check on Vick, and several of Vick's teammates also kneeled over him. When it was apparent that he was hurt, a hush came over the crowd at the Georgia Dome.

After he was looked at by the medical staff for about five minutes, Vick got up with some help and limped a couple of steps to the cart. He was wheeled to the locker room amid a standing ovation.

(Update: Mortensen said early indication was broken fibula.)

I hope your fantasy leagues havent' had their drafts yet.
X-rays were taken, but the results weren't immediately known.

Vick got off to a rough start against the Ravens, getting sacked on the first play and throwing an interception on the next one. He finished 0-for-4, and rushed for 8 yards.

He made the Pro Bowl last season in his first full season as a starter and set three NFL records for rushing by a quarterback.






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Is further evidence needed for proof of a Madden Cover Curse? George, Culpepper, Faulk, and now Vick.



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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    Is further evidence needed for proof of a Madden Cover Curse? George, Culpepper, Faulk, and now Vick.


No, because there is no "curse."

Eddie George was only 61 yards shy of the "magical" 1000-yard while playing every game in 2001.

Faulk averaged about 21 touches per game last year while getting 80 receptions, still amazing for a RB.

I think that it's as much the players that are "cursed" as much their respective teams are "cursed" right along with them.

Early word: Vick out six weeks, but many of us will know exactly how long in a few days.

Didn't Michael Jordan break his leg in his second year? He missed a huge chunk, if not the entire, season, but still came back to help the Bulls against the Celtics in the playoffs.

Fantasy? Forget that; I'm a long-suffering Falcons fan, and as long as Doug Johnson isn't as fragile as Chris Chandler and Reeves can competently make good offensive gameplans with the Falcons' talent, I think the Falcons will be okay.
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It's more of an injury curse caused by stupid coaching. I thought the starters were only supposed to play the first offensive possesion. I don't know why Vick was in the game late in the first quarter. These exhibition games are just a way to give greedy owners more money. Teams goals should be avoiding injury instead of winning them.
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Skorpio that's being a little unfair, the first preseason game it's usual for them to play one or two offensive drives but in the second and third games it's commonplace for the QB to finish the first quarter... That is just real bad luck for the Falcons.




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    Originally posted by skorpio17
    It's more of an injury curse caused by stupid coaching. I thought the starters were only supposed to play the first offensive possesion. I don't know why Vick was in the game late in the first quarter. These exhibition games are just a way to give greedy owners more money. Teams goals should be avoiding injury instead of winning them.


Don't forget, they're trying to establish a relationship between the big offseason pickup Peerless Price and Vick. The QB-WR relationship is an important bond, and it often takes time to develop. Like NHS said, these guys need to play to get into game shape. You can't simulate game speed in practice. These things happen.


    Originally posted by JALman
    No, because there is no "curse."


In George's Madden season he averaged three yards per carry and had three touchdowns. Not really all that great.

In Culpepper's Madden season he had 14 TD's against 13 INT's, and only played in 11 games.

In Faulk's Madden season he played 14 games, had 953 yards rushing, and 537 yards receiving. Not terrible here, but it wasn't exactly on par with the lofty bar he'd set for himself (1300 yards the four seasons prior.)



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Alright, I'll channel the Sports Guy here and ask where I can cash in my "Michael Vick will get hurt this year" stock?

Nothing against him or the Falcons, I was just getting tired of some of the hype and just had a feeling he was going to get hurt.

Glad my fantasy draft hasn't happened yet.



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    Originally posted by DrewDewce


    Glad my fantasy draft hasn't happened yet.


Haha. Yeah, I'm sure lots of people got burned on that one. I wouldn't trade him away, cuz he'll make a difference for you come playoff(fantasy playoff) comes around.
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Whew. Good thing I had no chance of getting Mickeal Vick when my fantasy draft started (I had the 13th pick, and got a back aching Jeff Garcia instead. Oy ve.) It sucks because I like Vick, but its also good, since my Cowboys have to play the Vick-less Falcons first game of the season. Pro outweighing the con, for me anyway.




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I keep hearing how this proves that their should be less preseason games and how this injury serves the NFL right for the owners greed. This is just stupid.
Even if the owners do agree to shorten the preseason, won't happen, there will still be at least two games. This was their second game. First teamers will still play at least the first quarter, if you shorten the preseason the will most likly play longer. This injury happened on the second drive, most all teams play their starters for at least two drives this early in the preseason. They need the in game work as much as the 2nd and 3rd teamers.
If anyone is to blame here it is Vick. Harsh, yes. But look at the situation. Preseason game, deep in your own territory, and you tuck the ball and run trying to make the big play? Swallow your pride and throw the ball away. Winning or losing the game doesn't matter. Don't risk the injury running around. All off season you have talked about learning to become a better pocket passer, show it. Check more than your first and second read before taking off. Glad I didn't take him in the first round people who took him first overall have to be kicking themselves now, who had the first pick in Wienerleague #1? ouch.



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Didn't I read that the Falcons also brought in some Braves players to teach him how to slide?

I have many thoughts on this one, but I don't blame Vick. Players are tuaght to play full-speed at all time during a game. Half speed is for practice (and is also the only time when a QB is protected). Playing at half-speed in a game is likely to cause more injuries than not, I think.

This is sure to revive the entire "Why do we even have 4-5 preseason games anyway?" debate. I'm all for making fans thirsty and rabid, but I'd rather have 2 more regular season games that count than 4 preseason games where I hope my favorite players don't get broken up.

But then, I'm not an owner trying to fatten my pocket in a (mostly) meaningless game with meaningful risk.



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    Originally posted by DrOp
    I have many thoughts on this one, but I don't blame Vick. Players are tuaght to play full-speed at all time during a game. Half speed is for practice (and is also the only time when a QB is protected). Playing at half-speed in a game is likely to cause more injuries than not, I think.


I agree that they have to play full speed. But a player also has to know the situation. 3rd and 8, deep in your own territory, preseason game. What do you do? Remeber this guy has never stayed healthy for a complete season, pro or college except for his rookie season when he backed up Chandler. There was no reason for him to run for that first down except stupid pride, trying to prove that it isn't just hype and he is the NFL's Jordan. Now he is out at least 4 weeks of real games and may well have cost his team a playoff bearth. If this was a regular season game then yes win at all costs. This is the preseason, throw the ball away.



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    Originally posted by JALman

    No, because there is no "curse."



I had just finished reading an article about this right before I clicked over here. Yeah, Sports Illustrated's got nothing on the Video Game Cover Jinx:


    Originally posted by ESPN Gamer
    In the three years that the game has featured an actual NFL player on its cover -- as opposed to Big John himself, and maybe some generic football art -- the Madden cover has ensured two things.

    1) A hefty endorsement check.
    2) Near-total football ruin.

    But don't take our word for it. Ask Tennessee running back Eddie George. Three years ago, his Titans were coming off a near-miss in the Super Bowl and favored to make a return trip.

    After George appeared on the cover of Madden 2001, however, Tennessee was upset in the AFC playoffs at home by the Baltimore Ravens.

    Hampered by injuries -- and perhaps shaken by a concussive hit from Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis -- George suffered his worst-ever professional season last year, rushing for just 939 yards and averaging just three yards per carry.

    For Madden 2002, it was Minnesota quarterback Daunte Culpepper's turn to feel the hurt. Following a Pro Bowl campaign in 2001 that saw Culpepper throw for 33 touchdowns and nearly 4,000 yards while leading the Vikings to the NFC title game, the signal-caller signed on for Madden.

    The Vikings promptly dropped to 5-11, while Culpepper struggled his way to a season-ending knee injury. Last season, the quarterback was still in throes of a post-Madden stupor, tossing 23 interceptions and posting a 75.3 quarterback rating.

    Likewise, St. Louis running back and Madden 2003 coverboy Marshall Faulk entered last season as the featured weapon on a Rams squad expected to atone for a Super Bowl upset loss to the New England Patriots. Instead, the Rams finished 7-9 -- and Faulk rushed for less than 1,000 yards in an injury-riddled season.

    The upshot? Vick should have thought twice before drinking the Madden Kool-Aid. In fact, athletes in every sport would do well to avoid video game cover endorsements.





(edited by Battlezone on 19.8.03 2253)


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    Originally posted by Battlezone
      Originally posted by JALman

      No, because there is no "curse."



    I had just finished reading an article about this right before I clicked over here. Yeah, Sports Illustrated's got nothing on the Video Game Cover Jinx:


      Originally posted by ESPN Gamer
      In the three years that the game has featured an actual NFL player on its cover -- as opposed to Big John himself, and maybe some generic football art -- the Madden cover has ensured two things.

      1) A hefty endorsement check.
      2) Near-total football ruin.

      But don't take our word for it. Ask Tennessee running back Eddie George. Three years ago, his Titans were coming off a near-miss in the Super Bowl and favored to make a return trip.

      After George appeared on the cover of Madden 2001, however, Tennessee was upset in the AFC playoffs at home by the Baltimore Ravens.

      Hampered by injuries -- and perhaps shaken by a concussive hit from Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis -- George suffered his worst-ever professional season last year, rushing for just 939 yards and averaging just three yards per carry.

      For Madden 2002, it was Minnesota quarterback Daunte Culpepper's turn to feel the hurt. Following a Pro Bowl campaign in 2001 that saw Culpepper throw for 33 touchdowns and nearly 4,000 yards while leading the Vikings to the NFC title game, the signal-caller signed on for Madden.

      The Vikings promptly dropped to 5-11, while Culpepper struggled his way to a season-ending knee injury. Last season, the quarterback was still in throes of a post-Madden stupor, tossing 23 interceptions and posting a 75.3 quarterback rating.

      Likewise, St. Louis running back and Madden 2003 coverboy Marshall Faulk entered last season as the featured weapon on a Rams squad expected to atone for a Super Bowl upset loss to the New England Patriots. Instead, the Rams finished 7-9 -- and Faulk rushed for less than 1,000 yards in an injury-riddled season.

      The upshot? Vick should have thought twice before drinking the Madden Kool-Aid. In fact, athletes in every sport would do well to avoid video game cover endorsements.





    (edited by Battlezone on 19.8.03 2253)



Thank you Battlezone, for helping out my position. I'm a Chiefs fan, and I have a bad feeling about Priest Holmes NEXT season.



Taken from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

Accusations have surfaced about Julian Tavarez doctoring the baseball with a foreign substance that he hides on the bill of his cap.

''It's ridiculous,'' Tavarez said. ''They checked my hat last year, too, and never found anything. They're just trying to get inside my head. But I won't let them.'' Just to demonstrate that no one was getting inside his head, Tavarez decided to ramble on for another hour or two and provide a quote of the year possibility. ''Some people like skinny women. I like fat women. Some people like young women. I like older women. Some people like poor women. I like rich women,'' Tavarez said. ''Some people like clean hats. I like my dirty hat.''
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon

    Thank you Battlezone, for helping out my position. I'm a Chiefs fan, and I have a bad feeling about Priest Holmes NEXT season.



Holmes is going to be on the cover of Madden next year?

Just for kicks, here's who's on the covers of this year's crop of games:

Madden 2004: Michael Vick
ESPN NFL Football: Warren Sapp
NFL Fever 2004: Peyton Manning
NFL Blitz Pro: Terrell Owens
NCAA Football 2004: Carson Palmer

Any picks on who falls victim to the "curse" next? I pick Palmer, but he's got that "Heisman curse" thing going for him, so that's almost too easy...



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#16 Posted on
Not yet, I just have a sinking feeling about it, especially if he has another MVP caliber season this year.



Taken from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

Accusations have surfaced about Julian Tavarez doctoring the baseball with a foreign substance that he hides on the bill of his cap.

''It's ridiculous,'' Tavarez said. ''They checked my hat last year, too, and never found anything. They're just trying to get inside my head. But I won't let them.'' Just to demonstrate that no one was getting inside his head, Tavarez decided to ramble on for another hour or two and provide a quote of the year possibility. ''Some people like skinny women. I like fat women. Some people like young women. I like older women. Some people like poor women. I like rich women,'' Tavarez said. ''Some people like clean hats. I like my dirty hat.''
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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by Battlezone


    I had just finished reading an article about this right before I clicked over here. Yeah, Sports Illustrated's got nothing on the Video Game Cover Jinx:


      Originally posted by ESPN Gamer
      In the three years that the game has featured an actual NFL player on its cover -- as opposed to Big John himself, and maybe some generic football art -- the Madden cover has ensured two things.

      1) A hefty endorsement check.
      2) Near-total football ruin.

      But don't take our word for it. Ask Tennessee running back Eddie George. Three years ago, his Titans were coming off a near-miss in the Super Bowl and favored to make a return trip.

      After George appeared on the cover of Madden 2001, however, Tennessee was upset in the AFC playoffs at home by the Baltimore Ravens.

      Hampered by injuries -- and perhaps shaken by a concussive hit from Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis -- George suffered his worst-ever professional season last year, rushing for just 939 yards and averaging just three yards per carry.

      For Madden 2002, it was Minnesota quarterback Daunte Culpepper's turn to feel the hurt. Following a Pro Bowl campaign in 2001 that saw Culpepper throw for 33 touchdowns and nearly 4,000 yards while leading the Vikings to the NFC title game, the signal-caller signed on for Madden.

      The Vikings promptly dropped to 5-11, while Culpepper struggled his way to a season-ending knee injury. Last season, the quarterback was still in throes of a post-Madden stupor, tossing 23 interceptions and posting a 75.3 quarterback rating.

      Likewise, St. Louis running back and Madden 2003 coverboy Marshall Faulk entered last season as the featured weapon on a Rams squad expected to atone for a Super Bowl upset loss to the New England Patriots. Instead, the Rams finished 7-9 -- and Faulk rushed for less than 1,000 yards in an injury-riddled season.

      The upshot? Vick should have thought twice before drinking the Madden Kool-Aid. In fact, athletes in every sport would do well to avoid video game cover endorsements.





    (edited by Battlezone on 19.8.03 2253)



Questions for the paranormal experts:

I was led to believe that the "curse" last during the season the player's on the cover. If not, how long should these curses last?

Does these "curses" affect the player or the entire team? Is Marshall Faulk the reason the Rams went 7-9 last season? Is Culpepper wholly responsible for the Vikings' performance the last few years?

Why does no one mention "Prime Time NFL Football Starring Deion Sanders," released during his teams' Super Bowl winning season? I don't recall Sanders being "cursed" then. Did his being claimed on waivers by San Diego last year make him cursed too?

(edited by JALman on 22.8.03 2203)
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I caught the Falcon highlights tonight, he (Doug Johnson)made some nice throws against the 'Phins' first stringers.

(edited by Whitebacon on 22.8.03 2215)


Taken from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

Accusations have surfaced about Julian Tavarez doctoring the baseball with a foreign substance that he hides on the bill of his cap.

''It's ridiculous,'' Tavarez said. ''They checked my hat last year, too, and never found anything. They're just trying to get inside my head. But I won't let them.'' Just to demonstrate that no one was getting inside his head, Tavarez decided to ramble on for another hour or two and provide a quote of the year possibility. ''Some people like skinny women. I like fat women. Some people like young women. I like older women. Some people like poor women. I like rich women,'' Tavarez said. ''Some people like clean hats. I like my dirty hat.''
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Can anyone say 'Ewing theory'? Maybe Doug Johnson will have the best month of any QB in NFL history and thus guarantee himself a fat free agent contract next year.

Or, Atlanta trades Vick to Green Bay. :)



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