Well, if you missed it, you really missed....well, you missed about a minute of action, and the crowning of a new champion. Junior Dos Santos laid out Cain Velasquez with the knock out.
I didn't understand why they were only showing one fight instead of a complete card like Fight Nights on Spike or Versus. I can't think that Fox is thrilled with the result, or, would it pop a big enough rating that they're satisfied?
Weak, you beat me by ten seconds. Here's what I was just about to post:
Well, it can happen when you schedule a one fight show, and it happened tonight - it only took 1:04 of the first round for John McCarthy to stop the fight after Junior Dos Santos delivered a mighty overhand right hand to the temple of Cain Velasquez, removing his equilibrium and making him a quick victim to a pounce and flurry of pounding blows to the chin and head.
Dos Santos is your new UFC Heavyweight Champion and takes the title back home to Brazil. He's scheduled to face the winner of the Alistair Overeem/Brock Lesnar match (12/30) early next year.
As an introduction to the sport, and a first time on the largest stage possible - network television - I'm not sure this was a show that would get people fully on board with this mixed martial arts thing. FOX' coverage was dominated by profile pieces of Velasquez and Dos Santos which seemed to exist more to take up time than to introduce you to the fighters - at least for me, they were almost immediately forgotten as soon as they ran. The remainder of the time was spent with Curt Menefee trying to get soundbites out of Brock Lesnar, which was partially successful - and it was canny to keep Dana White near him to pick up the slack. (Where else would Dana White be but out in front of the camera tonight, anyway?)
Yeah, they had Bud Light, Tapout and the video game for ads so it was definitely a higher class than, say, Xyience - but our local spots didn't seem to be happening, with the top spots split between our local FOX station hyping their own local news and a company that cures your baldness by tattooing thousands of little dots on your scalp. (I am not kidding - I saw this ad THREE times during the hour.) So there's still a way to go there.
Did they blow it, or does it matter? Will people come back to UFC on FOX 2 no matter what?
Not really a UFC fan, but if they're giving away a major PPV main event on free TV...
This idea was much funnier when it was an episode of "Sports Night". And while Brock Lesnar was mighty stiff, he's no Cut Man.
Originally posted by Sports Night, "The Cut Man Cometh"Chuck 'The Cut Man' Kimmel: I'm right here at ringside at Bally's, where the breakfast buffet is $3.95, the slots are loose, and the showgirls are Fantastic! Dana Whitaker: Oh, my God. Jeremy Goodwin: No, I've been there. It's true.
Chuck 'The Cut Man' Kimmel: So strap yourselves in, folks. We're in for the night. 12 rounds from here at Bally's Park Place, just a stone's throw down the boardwalk from where a new Miss America was crowned just a few months ago. Miss Rochester, I believe it was. Dan Rydell: Ok, well, Rochester's not a state, but we'll have somebody look that up. Casey McCall: No, it's a city, Cut Man, in upstate New York. Contestants in the Miss America pageant have to come from one of the 50 states. Chuck 'The Cut Man' Kimmel: Well, I hate to correct you on your own show, Casey, but there's 52 states with Alaska and Rhode Island. Casey McCall: Ok. Chuck 'The Cut Man' Kimmel: Though I'm no college professor, you see. Dan Rydell: That's almost hard to believe, Cut Man.
... (after the fight) ...
Dan Rydell: Seven seconds. Casey McCall: Yes. Dan Rydell: The fight lasted seven seconds. Casey McCall: The fight game is complex. Dan Rydell: The fight game sucks. Casey McCall: What should we talk about? Dan Rydell: What should we talk about? Casey McCall: In the analysis. Dan Rydell: The fight lasted seven seconds, Casey. We're going to have to go back to counting states.
I'm trying to decide if that punch would have been a foul in boxing (rabbit punch), or if it's just that no elite boxer would be able to be hit like that. Obviously not a great showcase event for the sport.
Also, when you match a fighter who comes in with a record of 9-0 with a man who is 14-1, you really can't say that either of them has a "Rocky"-like story.
Had this been a $50 main event (and you KNOW they could have milked this for $50 if they wanted to), people would have been outraged. Of course, that's not entirely fair to say. Even if the main event had gone faster than a speeding bullet, the undercard would have made up for it on most nights.
Overall, I think fans of the sport weren't surprised that this result happened. But in terms of attracting new fans, this didn't do them any favors, particularly on a night that featured an AWESOME boxing match.
Color me 'meh' on the whole FOX thing. I had a ton of people at work asking for UFC the whole night so I went and put the 'prelims' on Fuel thinking they would have a undercard fight or two before FOX shows up. Nope, it's two whole hours of hype videos that are arguably even more boring than they were on Spike. And then I changed it to FOX only to find we get the one fight. Terrible programming by them and it pisses me off even more now that I know Henderson/Guida was the MOTY that many said it was and we never got to see it. At least give the audience some taste in the variety of the UFC other the main event. It's stupid that FOX focused all it's attention on the heavyweights when there are so many great weight classes in the UFC.
I'll definitely come back. Dana White himself said it was mostly FOX in control of the show and once he and they see the reactions to the first one, he'll kick their asses and get the kinks worked out for a much improved second show. That said, it definitely wasn't the start they were hoping for, IMO.
Originally posted by It's FalseHad this been a $50 main event (and you KNOW they could have milked this for $50 if they wanted to), people would have been outraged. Of course, that's not entirely fair to say.
I don't think it's at all fair to say. People would've seen a match of the year candidate with Henderson v Guida and then watched the HW title change hands in explosive fashion. Rest of the undercard didn't suck neither, so as a PPV it would've stacked up pretty well.
To be honest I've never understood the idea that a quick fight is poor or a waste of money. Sure, we'd all love to have seen a four or five round war, but the fact that a fight is only ever a second away from ending is one of the great things about the sport.
Originally posted by CRZDid they blow it, or does it matter?
Long term, doesn't matter but that won't stop hyperbolic claims of irreversible failure from some quarters because hey, this is the internet and where would we be without dumb people and hyperbole? It were only ten years ago people were saying UFC was done after 33 ran over time and they survived that just fine. FOX seem committed to the sport and apparently the plan for future broadcasts is three fights over 90 minutes which should be a much better format.
Originally posted by ekedolphinUFC can get away with a one-minute fight in a one-hour program, but NBC won't let WWE do occasional showings of Saturday Night's Main Event? Lame.
Wait, what? NBC won't let WWE occasionally show Saturday Night's Main Event? WWE ran Saturday Night's Main Event specials on NBC from 2006-2008, in prime time as opposed to late night like SNME was in the 1980s. WWE's contract with NBC allows them two one hour specials on NBC prime time. WWE chooses to air a WrestleMania show in the summer and Tribute to the Troops in December. This isn't a case of poor Vince asking the mean old powers at NBC to run Saturday Night's Main Event pretty please and NBC says NO.
They will get killed for doing an hour show to lead to a one minute fight. Then Dana will convince them they need to do more fights and they will or he will open his fat mouth to the wrong high power executive and it will last til the contract is up. It really depends on the next fight's rating will be. I don't know what the rating for this would be as we had a boxing PPV on top of college football having Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame and Standford/Oregon all play night games. I can't imagine it being a great rating.
The Wee Baby Sheamus.
Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
Winner of the night: Brock Lesnar. He hasn't appeared this comfortable on camera since, maybe, when he fought Eddy Guerrero. He was funny, relaxed (certainly compared to Dana), and he sounded like a guy with a plan to fight the new champ. If he beats Overeem.
Given that FOX showed only KOs in the pre-match UFC highlights, I think they got exactly what they wanted. The whole show, unfortunately, felt like MTV showing Richter vs. Moolah.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Essentially all of the hey-let's-talk-about-it-on-the-internet fans had been complaining loudly about Fox's insistence that the show only be one fight for essentially this reason. If you didn't watch the undercard on Facebook/Foxsports you missed the real fun of the show: Caceres/Escovedo, Semerzier/Peralta (minus the ending), Swanson/Lamas and Poirier/Garza were all fun as heck to watch, and Henderson/Guida was amazing, and would have been a fantastic exhibition of grappling in MMA.
However you slice it, yesterday was a pretty funny day for combat sports.
Originally posted by lotjxThey will get killed for doing an hour show to lead to a one minute fight. Then Dana will convince them they need to do more fights and they will...
Well, they already said the usual format in future will be two or three fights over 90 minutes before this fight even aired, so no convincing is necessary. I don't think there's any question one fight in an hour isn't the right format for the long term, but as a one off I don't have a major problem with it. Besides, anyone on the internet today bitching about a lack of fights really should've been on the internet *yesterday* watching the undercard. They missed some awesome stuff.
Originally posted by lotjxor he will open his fat mouth to the wrong high power executive
Seriously, no. Dana White: not an idiot. For all his bluster and bravado when he has his promoter's hat on, Dana's a shrewd guy. And as established above no convincing needs to be done on the 'more fights' front so no such confrontation will occur.
Originally posted by lotjxand it will last til the contract is up.
Which is in seven years time, so?
Originally posted by lotjxIt really depends on the next fight's rating will be.
It really doesn't. It's a seven year deal worth about $100m pa. Actually it's a seven year deal worth $100m pa that hasn't even started yet. Deal starts in January. FOX didn't get into this with their eyes closed and I don't think they'll be scared off by a short fight or a sub par rating or two in the short term. All indications are they're in it for the long haul.
From memory, between them Cain Velasquez and JDS had seen a round other than the first on a whopping six occasions in 23 fights going into last night. You think a first round finish was a complete shock to all involved at FOX?
Out of curiosity, did you watch the fight? What did you think? What worked? What didn't? Were you disappointed the fight was short or do you prefer short, explosive fights to longer, more tactical affairs? Would rather have seen more fights, or did you appreciate the build up giving you some background on the two fighters?
Or are you just adding to the list of things you haven't seen and know very little about but must pass comment on?
EDIT: Plus, all headshaking at lotjx aside - everything CarlCX said. I watched several hours of MMA and boxing last night and most of it was fantastic. And I've *still* got Bellator to catch up on as well as a few of the 'lesser' boxing matches. All told, I'm not sure there's been a better night of fights for a fair wee while.
Apparently it was FOX (not the UFC) that pushed for the one-fight show, which makes sense since there's no way the UFC wouldn't have wanted Henderson/Guida (a surefire exciting battle) to be wasted on the undercard.
What I DO blame the UFC for is scheduling Henderson/Guida on this show in the first place. This was a major fight that had title implications and ended up being the best possible way to push the winner as a star. Of the four shows that the UFC ran in this four-week span, they chose to slot Henderson/Guida on the one where it wasn't going to be seen, aside by the hardcores on Facebook. Major fail. Bendo/Guida was badly needed for that lackluster UFC 137 card and could've easily headlined UFC 138 over Leben/Munoz...hell, even on next week's PPV, at least you get it seen by a larger audience and it makes that show a virtual supercard.
Had Bendo/Guida been aired, I daresay it would've been a perfect night for the UFC --- a superb, back-and-forth decision war and a big knockout by the dominant new champion. Could hardly ask for a better showcase. I'm just glad that those of us in Canada and other international markets apparently got to see undercard bouts and were skipped the gabfest with Dana, Lesnar and Curt Menefee.
(edited by Big Bad on 13.11.11 1718) "It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." --- Bart Giamatti, on baseball
I thought the video packages and overall presentation were well done, but I bet lots of people tuned out as soon as the fight was over. I watched the whole thing, but I know Meltzer's talked in the past about ratings for televised fights increasing as the fight goes on.
Originally posted by John OrquiolaWait, what? NBC won't let WWE occasionally show Saturday Night's Main Event? WWE ran Saturday Night's Main Event specials on NBC from 2006-2008, in prime time as opposed to late night like SNME was in the 1980s. WWE's contract with NBC allows them two one hour specials on NBC prime time. WWE chooses to air a WrestleMania show in the summer and Tribute to the Troops in December.
WWE doesn't want to run SNME because their ratings on NBC are abysmally embarassing. So they burn off their contractually obligated NBC specials on a long-delayed Wrestlemania recap and a feel-good Tribute to the Troops show - there's no reason to waste first-run matches on a show that nobody watches.
Apparently it was FOX (not the UFC) that pushed for the one-fight show...What I DO blame the UFC for is scheduling Henderson/Guida on this show in the first place
It appears when UFC scheduled that match on the show, it was with the idea it was going to air; the decision to air one was only made later. Perhaps too much later to move it, because moving it would also mean replacing it with a decent semimain - you can't charge those fans whatever they were charging for an actual one match card.
If Lance signs to Astana for 2009, no way in hell the Tour unjustly boots Astana again. They took enough flak for it this year when Astana didn't have a seven-time champion on its roster; imagine the cries of outrage if it did?