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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
ON TAPE DELAY~! from London, England.

Houston Alexander def. Alessio Sakara via TKO in the 1st I'm still not sure if Houston Alexander is for real, only because his striking looks like something plucked out of my fucking nightmares. That guy is a monster.

Marcus Davis def. Paul Taylor via Submission (Armbar) in the 1st This fight was freaking great, and it's a shame it ended so early. Seeing Davis hold on like he did and actually pulling out a victory was something to behold. The kid's got moxy!

Cheick Kongo def. Mirko Cro Cop via Unanimous Decision To call this disappointing is an understatement. Cro Cop was never the unstoppable monster everybody made him out to be and Kongo DID make improvements to his ground game that made my jaw drop (he looked fucking AWFUL in his last fight), but it's more clear now than ever before that Cro Cop is done. I know to never say never, but Jesus, that was embarrassing.

Michael Bisping def. Matt Hamill via Split Decision Good fight. Personally I had it scored for Hamill, which means nothing since I'm a.) not a judge and b.) would never profess to be an MMA expert. The fight was also close enough where I can't see Bisping winning as a total robbery, since those last two rounds were a little tough to call and judging MMA can be so subjective at times anway. I was talking to somebody (a member of this board actually) after Bisping's last fight and disagreed with the extent to which he felt Bisping was overrated. After this fight, I'm convinced. Sir, I bow to your superiority.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson def. Dan Henderson via Unanimous Decision to retain the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship Not necessarily an exciting fight, and kind of bad at points. However, I found Rampage's overall performance impressive, especially him holding down Dan freaking Henderson and escaping from the bottom numerous times. I like the term "Unified Light Heavyweight Champion" and hope it sticks. Oh, and Rampage still cuts the best promo in sports. BRING ON THE AXE MURDERER!

Hey, for a free show, this was pretty damn good. Thoughts?

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 9.9.07 0317)

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Houston Alexander vs. Michael Bisping at a future event is now my dream fight, if only to see Alexander MAUL The Count.
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The first two fights were awesome, and totally the kind of fights that would convert non-believers to believers. After that, well, I guess I liked the guys that won...



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Bisping didn't deserve to win that fight. Just an egregious hometown decision. Even worse, Rogan and Goldberg didn't even question it afterwards as they were caught up in the "Oh, Bisping proved he is the real TUF3 champ!" nonsense. Bisping's cocky post-fight promo was a crock of shit...he's going to be a big-time heel the next time he fights in the USA.

Houston Alexander looked like an absolute titan out there. I'm really interested to see where this guy goes next, since his punching power just seems to overwhelm people.

Marcus Davis had a great fight, and he's been on enough of a roll that it's time for a step up in competition. Maybe Koscheck, or the loser of Fitch/Diego?

Poor Cro Cop. He looked like a beaten man. I don't even know where he goes from here. He has three fights left on his contract, but it wouldn't be a surprise if he just retired. As for Kongo, a career win for him, though I still think any heavyweight with a good ground game would eat him for dinner. With Cro Cop out of the picture and Kongo still a fight or two away from consideration as a true title contender, this seems to clear the track for Randy/Minotauro in February. Unless Fedor is signed, that is -- did it seem like Fedor's name came up more than a few times on commentary last night?

Rampage/Henderson was a tremendous bout, one of the best five-round title fights in recent UFC history. I'm not sure why everyone is so keen to get Henderson to drop to middleweight. Sure, it would be a great fight between he and Silva, but it's not like Rampage blew Dan out with superior strength and size or anything. That was a 3-2 fight in rounds however way you looked at it. As for the champ, I'd say that a Rampage/Shogun fight looks pretty enticing, provided Shogun doesn't get upset by Forrest Griffin.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Unless Fedor is signed, that is -- did it seem like Fedor's name came up more than a few times on commentary last night?

His name DID pop up a few times. I don't think we should take that as meaning he's signed, as this isn't the first time UFC's done something like that (eg. a couple years back when they brought Wandy de Silva into the Octagon after a fight to have a staredown with Liddell to hype a Pride/UFC superfight that never happened). And Dana's whole thing seems to be that if he personally feels he can get it done - not even that all indications are that it will get done just if he has the confidence that he can get it done - it's talked about as if it's a done deal. Even if it's a situation like Fedor, where he's still only talking with the UFC.

In short - we shouldn't read anything into it other than Dana is more confident he can get Fedor than he was a few months ago.

I liked Joe Rogan immediately afterwards:
Rogan: "And what about Brock Lesnar?"
Goldberg: "...well, that's a story for another time, isn't it?"



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.31
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Bisping didn't deserve to win that fight. Just an egregious hometown decision. Even worse, Rogan and Goldberg didn't even question it afterwards as they were caught up in the "Oh, Bisping proved he is the real TUF3 champ!" nonsense. Bisping's cocky post-fight promo was a crock of shit...he's going to be a big-time heel the next time he fights in the USA.


That really irritated me. I assume they are trying to convert new fans with this show and to have a decision that looked like a Don King screw job for a rematch and then for everyone to go on like nothing questionable happened made it feel like Pro Wrestling.

I never expected to see Cro Cop look so beaten down, he looks like he lost his confidence.

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I will gladly take my rightful credit as Marshall's aforementioned lord and superior. You're doing my laundry for the next month and a half, Deputy.

Had this been a pay-per-view it would have been pretty disappointing, but for a free card, it was pretty goddamn good. I must say, however, that good god, they really cram as many commercials as they can into those goddamn shows. We had, what, six minutes of fight in the first hour?

Elsewise, just echoing the thoughts already expressed thus far. Apparently, Kongo broke one of Cro-Cop's ribs in the first round, which would both somewhat explain his lack of effort for the remainder of the fight and legitimize Kongo as a pretty dangerous striker. Some of those kicks were pretty goddamn brutal.
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That Bisping decision was a disgrace - Being really, really generous, you might have given him the second round, but that was it. No way in the world any judge should have given him the whole fight. This isn't even a case of judges discounting leg-kicks in a decision. Take-downs are clear point winners, and Hamill was the clear victor. He out-boxed him in Round 1, and took him a bunch of times in the other rounds - there was no ambiguity there. And Bisping's trash-talk ... before the fight I assumed it was just bravado. But he HAD to know he lost that fight. To say what he did after the fight cost him a lot of respect. I was gratified to hear a few boos after the decision - clearly the "hometown crowd" was going to erupt, but some crowd definitely saw the truth.

Cro Cop - that was a sad fight to watch. The broken rib explains a lot, but even walking to the ring, he looked way less confident than I am used to.

The Henderson/Rampage fight was solid, and entertaining, and the right man got the decision. Decent card for a free event.

(edited by Pool-Boy on 10.9.07 0233)


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As a bigger boxing fan than MMA fan, I didn't think the Bisping decision was horrible. They REALLY need to encourage the judges to give a wider discrepancy of scoring, because 10-9 in a three minute boxing round seems fair most of the time (maybe that's just conditioning) but when the rounds are FIVE minutes, and there are only three of them, just giving the winner a 10-9 round EVERY time is going to lead to decisions that seem unfair. I thought the last two rounds of Bisping-Hamill were very close and didn't think Bisping won, but Bisping did do a LOT better in rounds two and three, which sometimes leads to judges awarding rounds for improvement because a guy looks better. (One of my HUGE pet peeves.)

I thought Henderson/Rampage was dreadfully boring, although they had some decent action when both guys were striking those moments were few and far between. I was mostly thinking that any person who says "UFC is better than boxing" needs gto STFU, because exciting fights are exciting fights and boring fights are boring fights. Henderson/Rampage was NOT an exciting fight.

Houston Alexander and Marcus Davis were extremely impressive, though. They were the second-most memorable tings on the card, just behind Dan Henderson's atrocious cauliflower ears. OMG I just couldn't stop staring at those suckers.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    I liked Joe Rogan immediately afterwards:
    Rogan: "And what about Brock Lesnar?"
    Goldberg: "...well, that's a story for another time, isn't it?"


I thought it was Couture who referenced Lesnar. I may have been confused as this was my first UFC show (including the Spike reality show).

Some notes:

+ These guys, unlike the majority of boxers, can string together a complete sentence. In fact, they sound like they equal the smarter NFL guys. I was impressed.

+ I'm surprised by how much of the fights are clinches. May have just been this night's trend though.

+ Joe Rogan, to my shock, is not a bad color guy for UFC.

+ Marcus Davis Vs. Paul Taylor was awesome. That's exactly what I wanted to see: a realistic submission to counter a puncher.

+ Cro Cop is one of the names I've heard before, and I was expecting him to dominate. Maybe he's just not cut out for UFC. This is his second consecutive loss, we were told earlier.

+ Hamill stupidly let Besping get off his back and was out of gas by the third round. As Rogan said, Hamill looked to have him outweighed Besping by about 20 pounds.

+ Henderson was surprised by Jackson's ground control, but to someone like me, this was just as bad as heavy boxers clinching their way through a fight.

And I think I'm hooked.



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I don't think the Bisping decision would have been as bad had one of the judges not actually given him all three rounds. I don't see how anyone can give that round to Bisping at all. Yeah - Hamill made some big mistakes - not working him on the ground more was one of them. And it was kind of a shock to see Tito's golden boy be so weak cardio-wise. But still seemed like a clear victory for Hamill. This isn't like Griffin/Ortiz where Ortiz won a close decision that could have gone the other way. In fact, both fights kind of went the same way, with both Ortiz and Hamill totally dominating in the first round, with the second two being a little less clear cut. But where Griffin turned the tide a bit and looked to have a shot at overcoming Tito, there was never one moment in the fight where it looked like Bisping was coming back.

And I am reading that Kongo broke one of Cro Cop's ribs in the first round. That would explain why he seemed so wilted in the second two rounds. Of course, the nut-shots didn't help. McCarthy was really slow to spot those.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I don't think the Bisping decision would have been as bad had one of the judges not actually given him all three rounds.


It was 29-28 Bisping, 29-28 Bisping, and 30-27 Hamill.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      I don't think the Bisping decision would have been as bad had one of the judges not actually given him all three rounds.


    It was 29-28 Bisping, 29-28 Bisping, and 30-27 Hamill.


Okay. I made the same mistake in thinking a judge gave all three rounds to Bisping until somebody else pointed out that it was actually Hamill that was given all three rounds. While it's good to know that a.) I'm not the only one who mishears things and gets confused easily and b.) there was a judge in the UK that didn't have a learning disability, I have to ask: if it wasn't just me, was there a manner in which it was phrased that caused this confusion? I doubt it, just curious that I'm not the only one who thought that coming out of that fight.



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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      I don't think the Bisping decision would have been as bad had one of the judges not actually given him all three rounds.


    It was 29-28 Bisping, 29-28 Bisping, and 30-27 Hamill.


You are right - my apologies. My brain is still geared at the wrong scores that were posted by the UFC right after the fight (since corrected). I still think it was pretty bad though :)



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by Pool-Boy
        I don't think the Bisping decision would have been as bad had one of the judges not actually given him all three rounds.


      It was 29-28 Bisping, 29-28 Bisping, and 30-27 Hamill.


    You are right - my apologies. My brain is still geared at the wrong scores that were posted by the UFC right after the fight (since corrected). I still think it was pretty bad though :)


It'd be so great if I had the excuse, but it didn't even occur to me to visit the UFC website after the event. So yeah, you were misled and I'm just stupid.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Of course, the nut-shots didn't help. McCarthy was really slow to spot those.


I forgot all about that! The slow-mo replay of Cro Cop's face when he gets hit was replayed on the DVR many, many times before moving on. That must've been painful.

Houston Alexander is one of my new favorite fighters. I have no idea if he's going to match up well against some of the bigger name guys, but his style of "strike whenever I can with whatever body part I can" is a ton of fun to watch. He's a whirlwind of fists and knees out there.



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