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StaggerLee
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.22
Quick results:
Pre PPV fights
Christian Wellisch def. Anthony Perosh (decision)

Yushin Okami def. Rory Singer (tap out round 3)

Gabriel Gonzaga Def. Carmello Marrero (tap out armbar in round 1)

Thiago Alves Def. Tony DeSouza Alves (KO round 2)

PPV:
Michael Bisping Def. Ed Schafer (ref stoppage round 1)

Andrei Arlovsky Def. Marcio Cruz (ref stoppage round 1)

Jason MacDonald Def. Chris Leben (choke out, Leben refused to tap, passed out)

Keith Jardine Def Forrest Griffin (ref stoppage round 1)

MAIN EVENT:
Chuck Liddell Def. Tito Ortiz (ref stoppage round 3)
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
Not sure if you're just posting that from another site or what, but I don't know that Leben "refused" to tap. I realize the announcers were trying to allege this, however, Leben was clearly motioning that he was JUST about to tap and did this twice before quickly and immediately passing out. I dislike the revisionist attempts made by the announcers to protect their golden boys. Even in Stephan Bonnar's worst performances (there were two just this year), they somehow maintained that he was still the better man. Ridiculous.

MacDonald's side choke was easily the best execution of a submission that I've seen all year in the UFC, even better than Monson's north-south choke in the summer.

Read my blog for my take on the entire event:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=97531713

Looking forward to the influx of legit talent that's arrived via some Pride free agents. The addition of Rampage Jackson and Mirko Cro Cop is as big as if Christian and Kurt Angle had both jumped to TNA at the same time.




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CarlCX
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
Between this surprisingly solid show and the absolutely astounding mixture of entertainment and hilarity that was Shockwave, this was one of the best MMA nights ever.

Chuck Liddell is also surprisingly good at continuously justifying my inexplicable love for his punching skill.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.70
To answer your blog question Chill, the rap song with the Crazy Train sample was Trick Daddy's opus "Let's Go."
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    To answer your blog question Chill, the rap song with the Crazy Train sample was Trick Daddy's opus "Let's Go."


Wicked, thanks!

I'll be watching Pride's Shockwave tonight. Does this mean it's already happened?? I could look on a few sites, but they always have spoilers.



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My question is this: as a boxing fan, I thought Liddell CLEARLY deserved at least a 10-8 win in round one. He had Tito on the absolute brink of a stoppage there. The guy scoring the fight for broadcast gave the round to Chuck 10-9, which I, and the other more seasoned UFC-watchers I was with, thought was crazy, but not that big of a deal because it was just the TV guy.

Anyway, I got home and hopped on wrestlingobserver.com and Dave thought the first round could've easily been 10-7, and he went on to say that ALL THREE judges scored it 10-9. WTF? What does a guy have to do to get a 10-8 round in UFC?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
I've rarely seen a 10-7 round in UFC. But dude, you're bang-on correct. Round one should have been 10-8, if not 10-7. No way in hell it should have been 10-9, and I was watching it with a roomful of boxing and muay thai fighters and trainers, who all said 10-9 made no sense. The fight should have ended in the first, and no one would have complained, given the punishment Tito was taking.

That said, Tito CAN withstand that kind of punishment at times. And round two proved that it was a great decision to let the fight go.

It's been a while since a main event fight went three rounds (and no, Tim Sylvia fights don't count, unless you think standing around doing nothing qualifies as "fighting"). Very nice to see. Had it gone past the third, I think the crowd would have been popping harder than we saw. Until the shot Tito took to his right temple, it looked like the fight was going a full five rounds.

Liddell's boxing skills are so damn good. I don't want to like the guy, but wow.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
10-8 rounds in the UFC are incredibly rare to begin with -- usually requiring complete domination from start to finish, with at least a couple knockdowns or powerful takedowns. 10-7 rounds are unheard of.

On the stoppage, I actually felt as though it was premature relative to the rest of the fight -- Tito was taking less damage at that point than he was at the end of the first round, and only one of Liddell's shots actually connected -- the rest were on Tito's forearms and elbows.

Having said that... dominant. Tito was mostly outclassed. I'm still waiting for somebody to realize that hitting Liddell in the face is not cause for trying to land a followup flurry to knock him out. He's a counterpuncher. Trying to trade with the guy is just plain stupid when you're not a striker.

Rest of the card was quite entertaining, though I'm still somewhat baffled by Forrest Griffin's behaviour after his loss. I'm not entirely sure what all he said or why, but he sure came off poorly.

And last but not least, Mirko Filopivic... hopefully Silvia's days are numbered. If Dana White is to be believed in regards to future cross promotions with other companies (a la boxing), we might just get to see Cro Cop vs. Fedor, UFC vs Pride unification bout, sometime in 2008.

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CarlCX
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I agree that the stoppage could have waited a few more seconds to make it a sure thing, but I wouldn't call it a BAD stop, just not a perfect one. Tito may not have been getting devastated by the punches, but c'mon--it's apparent to rookie fighters, let alone someone who's been fighting as long as Tito has, that if you're on the ground, your opponent is kneeling on you and you're taking unanswered punches, you have to display a defense more intelligent than throwing an arm over your head and curling into the fetal position. I find it especially ironic, given that Tito hand-picked Yamasaki as ref after Big John missed the eyepoke last time, as he probably would have let it go longer. Regardless, no doubt as to the outcome. If Chuck beats Rampage, which I think he will, the UFC is going to have to do a goddamn worldwide talent raid to find someone to fight him.

Forrest's attitude was sort of disappointing, but in a way, I can understand: he's been the plucky, mega-popular posterboy for the UFC for a couple years now, and this is the first time on this size stage that he's had the shit kicked out of him--by someone he was supposed to beat, no less. Hopefully he bounces back, he's always entertaining in the cage.

Even having known about Cro-Cop beforehand, I cheered at the video package, as did the people watching with me. Given that he's apparently signed to a fight that guarantees two years and six matches, I'm betting on a slow burn. If Brandon Vera doesn't go to the EXC as he's been teasing, I would predict:

-Cro-Cop murders Eddie Sanchez in America's first televised decapitation by foot.
-Spring: Sylvia defends against Vera, who probably doesn't manage to knock him out or tap him, but gets under Sylvia's jab and wins a unanimous decision with striking in the clinch and on the ground.
-Summer: Vera successfully defends against Arlovski. The UFC's two big marquee matches for the summer are Chuck/Rampage for the belt, and Cro-Cop/Sylvia for #1 contendership. Sylvia gets flashy with the job, and Cro-Cop kills him accordingly.
-Winter: The UFC's new year's show has Vera defending against Cro-Cop as a co-main event. Cro-Cop wins the belt.

Whatever happens, it's going to be a very, very interesting year.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
    Originally posted by CarlCX
    I find it especially ironic, given that Tito hand-picked Yamasaki as ref after Big John missed the eyepoke last time, as he probably would have let it go longer.


While I agree with your take on Big John, the UFC does not decide or have any say in which refs are assigned to specific matches. At least, not when the event is in Vegas. It's the Nevada State Athletic Commission that decides which refs appear at the event and which matches they'll ref.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
Are you absolutely sure about that, Chill? There were rumours going around that Tito had "hand picked" Yamasaki due to Big John's missing of the eye-poke last go 'round. I thought it sounded fishy, but enough people have referenced the rumour that it makes one wonder. Still, Carl is right -- not a bad stoppage at all, just premature relative to the first round.

That, and typically Big John does the title fights.

In regards to Cro Cop: while I pretty much subscribe to the Cro Cop as #2 heavyweight in the world line of thinking, I don't for a second think he's a guaranteed win over Sylvia, Arlovski, Vera, or any other middle to top tier heavyweight in the UFC or Pride.

He's on another level in so many aspects of the game, but don't underestimate some of the UFCs heavies -- especially Sylvia. He's big, awkward, squishy, and ugly, but he wants it more than anybody else.

Would I bet against Cro Cop fighting any of those guys? Hell no. All I'm saying is "Cro Cop by murder" is hyperbole and nothing more.

It wasn't that long ago he was getting hammerfisted into oblivion by Kevin Randleman, remember.



(edited by Sobriquet on 31.12.06 2211)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
I'm loving how the Athlete is probably ticking some people in UFC off by beating their Ultimate Fighter stars, but he's really making a name for himself in the division. With 1-2 more wins, he might net himself a title shot.

Re: opponents for Liddell. Hey, there's always Jardine. He got a really impressive win against a quality opponent in front of a large audience. There was also the bug-eyed hint that Joe Rogan dropped about Cro Cop dropping down, which would be insane.

The next PPV has great curiosity appeal, but it will be the UFC equivalent of one of those old 1991-era WWF Superstars shows with all squashes. Does anyone give Cro Cop, Rampage, St. Pierre or Silva's opponents any chance in hell? Hopefully UFC goes out of their way to sign a really competitive fifth fight and series of undercard bouts, since it will be ass-kick city in the main four fights.



I don't know what is more disquieting -- the fact that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it has four toes.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
Yeah, I'm positive about the NSAC picking all refs. It's one of those non-negotiable things that UFC has no say in. That's why a couple "UFC" refs were reffing the Pride event in Vegas. UFC doesn't own them - NSAC is their employer (for fights in Vegas) and assigns them based on availability. Same goes for when they fight in other states - everything is done that way. When they fuck up, as Herb Dean has had an unfortunate knack for doing lately (poor guy), then UFC or whoever can make an issue out of it and make requests (such as "Hey, we don't want Herb Dean to ref the 4th Shamrock/Ortiz fight; we would love to have Big John ref this one, for both our sakes"), but ultimately, the NSAC makes the decision. I think they all operate on a "good neighbor" approach - they try to respect UFC's requests within reason, and UFC doesn't complain too much. Take it from me, athletic commissions can be a BITCH to work with in these circles. But it appears that there's a good relationship here with the UFC and NSAC.

Re: Jason "The Athlete" MacDonald. My god, this is one of the most interesting sub-stories of 2006. I'd be shocked if he were to get a title shot anytime soon, as guys like Diego have been stringing together almost two years' worth of quality wins without getting a title shot. But given the way things have gone with Jeff Monson getting his shot, I wouldn't be surprised either. Only problem is there are a lot more middleweights for J-Mac to compete with than there were heavyweights for Monson.

Re: opponents for Chuck. Rashad Evans looks to be closer to a title shot right now, so I'm hoping they hold back on giving Jardine a shot right away. Jardine could really make a go of it with 3 or 4 more solid wins under his belt - one of which is hopefully a rematch with Forrest, because if it went a full three rounds, those guys could definitely put on a better fight than Forrest-Stephan 1, IMO.

Re: UFC 67. Yeah, I'll actually put my neck out there and say that Travis Lutter stands a chance againt Anderson Silva. Crazy, right? Yet, physically, Lutter has everything you want in a contender: dominant ground skills, raw unbridled strength, and his ability to frustrate his opponents. If he can get inside Silva's head by frustrating him, he's got a helluva chance. I won't pick him to win, but he's got a great chance nevertheless.

The more I think about it, GSP vs. Serra should be pretty damn entertaining. Serra's never been tapped out, and GSP's submission skills are almost unmatched by anyone else's. So there's that. And Serra is definitely vulnerable to being knocked out. Does he stand a chance? Not that I can see. It just depends on how seriously GSP takes him. But you'd be an idiot to bet on anyone but GSP here.

It's not really UFC, but I'll assume not many people here watch Pride, based on never seeing a thread. A truly exciting headliner between Emelianenko Fedor and Mark Hunt---I was on my feet several times during that fight. So with that said, here's my blog on last night's Shockwave PPV:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=97531713&blogID=211956094&MyToken=f0e1c655-0d4c-4404-bd26-558bac8698e1


(edited by chill on 1.1.07 0642)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
A lot of people overlook Anderson Silva's BJJ game -- it's not like he isn't a very accomplished ground fighter. Lutter is in for a long night, most likely.

I'm a Pride fan, though I don't order the PPVs -- they're only available here after the events actually take place, and I have yet to be able to prevent myself from reading results. I watch the interesting fights after the fact, however, and typically am more impressed than I am with UFC.

On that note, a few things I noticed in your blog that were a bit off -- Aoki's sub of Hellboy was a gogoplata, not a triangle, though from certain angles it definitely looks like the latter.

Fujita is a top heavyweight, not a top middleweight, as he weighs around 250 lbs if memory serves. Likewise, his fight with Wanderlei was in the OWGP, not a title fight (though it was in the tourney for the OWGP title, so I guess an argument could be made).

Other than that, good stuff. I'd take issue with calling Yoshida a pussy, but to each their own. He's certainly not a favourite of mine, but anybody who will get in there with the likes of Cro Cop and Wanderlei deserves props.

And I'm really looking forward to the almost certain rubber match between Barnett and Big Nog -- those two match up very nicely. Who needs a title on the line when they put on a show like that?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.64
    Originally posted by Sobriquet
    I'd take issue with calling Yoshida a pussy, but to each their own. He's certainly not a favourite of mine, but anybody who will get in there with the likes of Cro Cop and Wanderlei deserves props.

    And I'm really looking forward to the almost certain rubber match between Barnett and Big Nog -- those two match up very nicely. Who needs a title on the line when they put on a show like that?


Haha, no worries. My issue with Yoshida eminated from his constant attempts to stall whenever Thompson was JUST about to finish him off. It was frickin' ridiculous that he wasn't penalized and that the ref just stood by. Thompson's corner was pissed, and for good reason. It just wasn't Yoshida's night. He looked like a shell of his former self.

I'm sure we'll see Barnett/Nog 3 on one of the next US shows. Can't wait!! Barnett also looked to be having a bit of an off-night, IMO. But he was still effective in the first five mins, if I recall correctly.

Any guesses who Wanderlei will be fighting in February?



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