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KJames199
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A great main event fight was capped off by a controversial decision and an even more controversial announcement by Georges St-Pierre.

GSP retained the UFC Welterweight title by winning a split decision over Johny Hendricks (two judges had it 48-47 for GSP, and one had 48-47 Hendricks) that I was convinced he'd lost. The judges said GSP won rounds 3 and 5 (agreed) and Hendricks won rounds 2 and 4 (also agreed), but they split the first round. Watching it originally, I didn't see any way that GSP won the first round, but whatever. I'll have to watch it again to see. Hendricks was certain he'd won and was completely devastated (and a little bit whiny and bitchy but I suppose that's to be expected). At least he won the Fight of the Night bonus.

After the fight, GSP announced that he would be "going away for a while" to deal with some personal issues. Dana White - who also believed Hendricks won the fight - flipped his shit in true Dana White fashion, saying "You owe it to the fans, you owe it to that belt, you owe it to this company, and you owe it to Johny Hendricks to give him that opportunity to fight again." White came across even worse than usual, since GSP was very emotional in his post-fight speech and you'd think that White would at least talk to the guy before throwing him under the bus at the press conference, but that's how Dana White does things.

Plus, in his speech, St-Pierre had referenced trouble sleeping, memory issues, blurred vision, and said he wasn't in the right frame of mind to elaborate on his reasons - all of which could just be the temporary effects from a hard training camp, but also hint at concussions and brain damage - so White came across as particularly unfeeling. It was very much an "I own you" type of attitude.

The rest of the main card had Rashad Evans slaughtering a helpless Chael Sonnen by TKO in the first round and Tyron Woodley knocking out an equally helpless Josh Koscheck in the first round, winning KO of the Night honours. After the fight, Koscheck sent Dana White a text which sounded like Kos was retiring, but that hasn't been confirmed yet, as far as I know. Sonnen, on the other hand, went on Twitter and declared that all three judges scored his fight 30/27 in his favour, so he's already back to his old self. Also, Robbie Lawler won a split decision in an upset over the perceived next big thing, Rory MacDonald, and Ali Bagautinov beat Tim Elliott by unanimous decision.

I didn't see the prelims, but I heard they weren't that good apart from Donald Cerrone beating Evan Dunham with a triangle to win the Submission of the Night bonus (what with it being the only submission on the card).
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Watching it live, I was sure Hendricks won. After watching the fight again Sunday afternoon, I can see how the two judges said GSP won the first round. There wasn't a whole lot of damage done to either man that round and GSP had a sub attempt , so that and octagon control probably won him the round.

But to me, what really lost Hendricks the fight was him coasting for the fifth round. Hendricks fought that round like a guy that had already won the fight and looked like he was just killing five minutes until he was handed the belt whereas GSP came out and fought like his title depending on it, which it did. Before the round started, Hendricks was singing to himself and bobbing his head, so he clearly wasn't out of gas. His corner wasn't helping him, either. In between rounds four and five they were telling him he'd already won. If they'd told him the truth that GSP won round 3 and the first two rounds were close enough that you couldn't count on the judges to give them to him, Hendricks probably would have put up more of a fight in the fifth.
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Even the Ultimate Fighter building has a sign that tells fighters to never leave it in the hands of the judges.

If GSP is going away, put Hendricks in an interim championship match, and let GSP fight the winner when/if he decides to come back. If he doesn't do it within a year, the interim champ becomes the official champ.

This PPV's prelims were really good.

God bless Rashad Evans.



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    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    TMZ reported this morning that the mystery issues facing Georges St-Pierre that he was alluding to on Saturday night saying he had to step away from the sport were that his father was dying and that his the father of an as yet born child.

    The report claimed St-Pierre did not want to have the child, but the woman insists on keeping it.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
    Originally posted by KJames199
    Watching it originally, I didn't see any way that GSP won the first round


Really? I thought Hendricks shaded the round but there wasn't much in it. Striking was pretty even and it was one takedown a piece from what I remember but neither guy did anything with it.

More importantly.....

    Originally posted by Caliban
    the first two rounds were close enough


??!

The second round was the opposite of close. GSP got punched in the face many many times and was clearly rocked.

Overall I didn't have a massive problem with the scoring. 2 & 4 were clearly Hendricks', 3 and 5 GSP's and the first was pretty close. The rounds Hendricks won were massively more decisive than those GSP won but that's more an issue with the scoring system than with the judges.

Thrilled by the Lawler and Woodley wins. Thrilled I tells ya. There be awesome match-ups everywhere at 170.
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DISCLAIMER: I didn't watch
    Originally posted by dMr
    The rounds Hendricks won were massively more decisive than those GSP won but that's more an issue with the scoring system than with the judges.
Sounds like an issue with both. Perhaps a "massively more decisive" round shouldn't also be scored 10-9?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by CRZ
    DISCLAIMER: I didn't watch
      Originally posted by dMr
      The rounds Hendricks won were massively more decisive than those GSP won but that's more an issue with the scoring system than with the judges.
    Sounds like an issue with both. Perhaps a "massively more decisive" round shouldn't also be scored 10-9?


I've seen 30-27 decisions there were surprising too.

Joe Rogan called out referee Kim during the prelims for standing up two fighters when one was allegedly angling for a submission hold, and I think he complained when referee Mario later threatened to do the same.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
    Originally posted by CRZ
    DISCLAIMER: I didn't watch
      Originally posted by dMr
      The rounds Hendricks won were massively more decisive than those GSP won but that's more an issue with the scoring system than with the judges.
    Sounds like an issue with both. Perhaps a "massively more decisive" round shouldn't also be scored 10-9?
Possibly poor choice of words on my part, possibly semantics, but 10-9 covers way too broad a range of outcomes IMO. You hardly ever see a 10-10 (and I'm sure I can remember at least one judge saying they feel it's their job to make a call when a round's close and that 10-10's a cop out) but 10-8s are meant to be reserved for when a fighter is "overwhelmingly dominant". That leaves a whole bunch for 10-9s to cover. Were it up to me you'd see a lot more 10-10s and 10-8s - or even, gasp, 10-7s - but that's not how judges are being asked to perform.

In this case we've seen the three judges agree unanimously (and correctly, per current guidance) on the scoring of four rounds. The only round they didn't agree on was the first, which was close but, from memory, Hendricks' most damaging work in the round was some elbows while GSP was working for a takedown. You probably needed the benefit of the right angle to appreciate how damaging they were so I can understand two people giving it 10-9 GSP (because, again, 10-10 is so vanishingly rare).

Yet everything on Sunday was "robbery!" and "incompetence!" and not "maybe a scoring system that rewards Hendricks' work in Rd 2 and GSP's in Rd 3 equally is not so good".

Odd.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I've seen 30-27 decisions there were surprising too.

Avoidance of doubt: I was only talking about the judging in the main event Saturday. Judging and refereeing in MMA in general is not infrequently terrible.


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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by dMr
      Originally posted by Caliban
      the first two rounds were close enough


    ??!

    The second round was the opposite of close. GSP got punched in the face many many times and was clearly rocked.


Sorry, I should have been clearer. While I agree that Hendricks clearly won the second round, but who the hell knows what the judges thought? So by "close" I meant it wasn't a 10-8 round and they shouldn't count on the judges to score it their way, even though it should have been. Especially right after Jones/Gustafsson, I wouldn't think a challenger would feel comfortable with what they think is a 3 round lead, they'd want to lock up a fourth round if at all possible.

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