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Since: 16.1.02
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#1 Posted on
A couple things no one has mentioned about Raw.

First, JR said "malfunction at the junction". This is the second time he's used the old Ed Whalen line, the first was right after Eddie died. Is it a shoutout or is he stealing the line now Ed's dead?

Second - those were crappy punches Rock was throwing. They were all slaps and a couple were real bad misses right in front of the camera.
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Every time I've seen Rock live he misses pretty bad with his "punches". If the camera is in the wrong place you notice it, otherwise they cover it up by the angle its shot from.
Angle's, on the other hand, look good even from a few feet away.

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I've said it before, but I'll repeat:

Everything Kurt Angle does in the ring, much like Bret Hart, seems real. It's even better the the other sells like hell, like yesterday on RAW when Angle hit the Olympic Slam on HHH and H had conlvusions and everything.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#4 Posted on
I've heard JR use "malfunction at the junction" more than twice. I find it odd that he doesn't give credit. Ross is usually on top of things like that. Maybe he is stealing it.



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#5 Posted on
Everything Kurt Angle does in the ring, much like Bret Hart, seems real. It's even better the the other sells like hell,

Example:

Angle-RVD. Remember those SICK suplexes he hit RVD with? Landing on his damn HEAD.




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#6 Posted on
I don't remember the date, but Jericho and Angle beat RVD down with extreme prejudice in a tag match a while ago. What a great match. They kept trapping him in the corner and shoulder blocking him. It almost looked like a "punishment" match, but of course who knows.
Maybe Angle's stuff looks real because it is. Unlike Rock, he's not "playfighting". He's taken something legitimate that he was great at and added some stylistic flourishes, and that legitimacy shows through even in new things he's had to learn like pulling punches.
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#7 Posted on
If JR starts calling matches "ring-a-ding-dong-dandies" or goes after wrestlers with his mike like Ed used to with Abdullah, we'll know he's stealing for sure.

I definitely like guys who hit for real. Farooq is one guy who looks like he hurts his opponent with every move. Benoit too.

Kane and the UT seem to pull their punches quite a bit but then again, maybe they have to.

But no one is quite as wimpy as the Rock with punches. And I don't dislike him at all - it's just a major flaw in his style.
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#8 Posted on
    Originally posted by ripblazer
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    Second - those were crappy punches Rock was throwing. They were all slaps and a couple were real bad misses right in front of the camera.



They looked like punches from the movies, not from pro wrestling. VERY NOTICEABLE - he must have jet lag from shooting those last few Scorpion King scenes...



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#9 Posted on
The problem is Rock gets into this quick fourpunch, spitfist, superpunch routine. Well, he just kind of does it, and expects the other guy to sell it no matter how close to each other they are. Rocky just needs to work on his positioning. Maybe acutally try doing that punch combo on a punching bag or something.

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I think the Rock's punches are OK. RVD's punches are awful though. Jericho's always looked wimpy to em also.

Good call on Farooq making everything (especially that spinebuster) hurt. Another guy who I think does that pretty well is Bob Holly.

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#11 Posted on
Yeah, Rock is usually pretty good...

Agree wholeheartily with the Farooq call.

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#12 Posted on
I like Rock's punches because he at least makes a sound (granted, it's his other hand slapping his thigh) other than a foot stomping.

Speaking of punches though, it's funny as hell that Benoit is my favorite wrestler and offhand, I can't remember how good his punches were. It's probably because I missed them while cringing at his chops and kicks.

Anyway, my vote for best punch is Kurt Angle.

I'd vote for Bossman as the worst, but I've actually seen him throw one or two that didn't suck. I'd also guess you want to decide the male who throws the worst punches, so that eliminates Lita, Jeff Hardy, and arguably Chyna. So I'll just cop out and say Matt Hardy.



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Actually, Raptor, I've always been pleased by the Matt Hardy punch. In my view, he throws a better right hand than most of the roster.
But getting back to Angle, one of the things that impresses me the most is his strength. I mean, I understand that lifting and throwing opponents in pro wrestling requires the partnership of the lifted with the lifter. But he makes it look so natural. Particularly when he stops an opponent's momentum off the ropes and turns it into one of his over his head, belly to belly plexes. The opponent is rarely in a position to keep his movement forward with the stop, so it must be mostly Angle. I mean, most of the guys who impress you with strength have accompanying mass or size (ie, Kane or Big Show). But Angle is legit at or about the traditional cruiserweight cut-off of 225, and he can just chuck people. Not just those within about 50 lbs of his weight (HHH, Austin) but much bigger opponents like the aforementioned Kane and Big Show.
Am I off-base in this? I know very little about freestyle wrestling, but I'm guessing that training to throw opponents who are fighting your movements, instead of the pro's "following" the move has a lot to do with him developing the necessary strength, plus the accompanying technique and timing... it's probably instinctual in Angle to a degree it's not in most other pros, which may be win part why he rose so darn quickly.
Just a theory, though...



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Let's see, Nash complains about Rocky adding Big Daddy B%$ch to his promo and on the Raw and Smackdown this week, the NWO get beat down. I think VKM is sending a not so subtle message about what he is going to accept from the NWO.
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