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The Los Angeles Times delivered a bombshell on Friday when it reported that the Notorious B.I.G. offered gang members $1 million to kill Tupac Shakur and provided the gun used in his 1996 murder.

The investigative report, which details the hours leading up to Shakur's fatal shooting, was written by Chuck Philips, who has covered the slaying extensively and spent more than a year researching the case. The Times piece places Christopher Wallace, a.k.a. Biggie Smalls, in Las Vegas on the night of the shooting and details a meeting that allegedly took place between the East Coast rapper and several Crips.

Citing gang members who spoke only on terms on anonymity, Philips asserts that not only did B.I.G. agree to pay the killers, but that he also insisted they use his gun, a loaded .40-caliber Glock pistol that he then placed on the table.

"The revelation of Biggie was shocking to me," Philips told MTV News on Thursday. "When this came up, I was just, ... 'I don't believe it.' So I went about trying to disprove it in various ways with various sources and that's not what happened. What I ended up writing is what happened."

Philips reports that Orlando Anderson, a Crips gang member long believed by many to be Shakur's murderer, pulled the trigger. According to the article, Anderson and several other Crips planned the execution in retaliation for a beating Shakur, Marion "Suge" Knight and their associates gave Anderson earlier that evening after a Mike Tyson fight at the MGM Grand Hotel.

Biggie had been feuding with Shakur and, according to Philips, had told the Crips he wanted the rival rapper dead, so the gang members figured they might get Biggie to pay them for the hit. (Biggie's ties to the gang stem from allegations that his record label employed Crips as security guards, although Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, the rapper's best friend and head of Bad Boy Records, has denied it.)

"If you go back to my stories that I wrote prior to this, I never believed hardly anything about [the Biggie/Shakur] feud," Philips said. "People kept telling me it was serious, and I didn't believe it. But apparently it was."

Although Philips' article is also based on police affidavits and other evidence, he said the details about the Notorious B.I.G. are based entirely on his interviews with the gang members. "As far as I know, no police ever interviewed [Biggie] about this crime when he was alive or anybody [at Bad Boy] or people he knew," Philips said.

Attempting to independently establish that Biggie was in Las Vegas, Philips combed videotape footage of the boxing match at the MGM, the same hotel Biggie was allegedly staying at, but did not find the rapper. He also called B.I.G.'s mother, Voletta Wallace, whom he had befriended while investigating reports on Biggie's killing, to check the rapper's alibi.

After learning of the allegations Philips' story was making, she told the reporter she did not want to speak with him.

It is not in his report, but Philips noted Thursday that a few of his sources believed Biggie didn't really want Tupac to be killed and that he was simply talking the talk. "In the rap world, some people are real and some people aren't real," Philips said. "The people who did this murder are real, and the people who killed Biggie are real, and those aren't the only people they have killed. It's a different world. So when this thing went down, it was a matter of pride. He couldn't say, 'I didn't mean it.' "

In Philips' article, he noted that "a handful of thugs and East Coast rap associates" were with B.I.G. at the meeting with the Crips. When asked if there were specific names his sources mentioned, Philips responded: "Not that I'm willing to talk about."

Philips said at least one of his sources was in the meeting with Wallace, but he would not say if any were among the four Crips in the white Cadillac that executed the drive-by shooting he so specifically describes. "All I'm going to say is that I think I have very good sources on the story."

In the second part of Philips' report, to be published Saturday, the writer examines the police investigation of Shakur's murder. While Orlando Anderson has long been pinned for Tupac's murder by reporters, police never charged him. Two years after Shakur's death, Anderson was killed in an unrelated incident (see "Tupac Murder Suspect Orlando Anderson Dead").

Philips' report also runs counter to a theory constructed by former LAPD Detective Russell Poole, whose ideas about the murders of both rappers are the subject of journalist Randall Sullivan's book "LAbyrinth."

Poole's analysis asserts Death Row CEO Suge Knight arranged to have his label's star rapper killed and that affiliates of the West Coast Mob Piru Bloods gang carried out the hit.

"LAbyrinth" suggests that Tupac intended to leave Death Row, an idea that his alleged conversations with a girlfriend and his firing of Death Row attorney David Kenner shortly before his death seem to substantiate. It also claims that Knight owed Shakur a substantial sum of money and points out that a bullet wound Knight claims he suffered in Las Vegas has never been verified by hospital or police records, or anyone other than Knight himself.

Poole was the lead detective investigating Biggie's murder, an assignment the highly decorated officer picked up not long after he had been looking into the shooting of sometime Death Row employee and LAPD officer Kevin Gaines. After conducting an exhaustive investigation, Poole concluded that Knight, an alleged hitman-for-hire named Amir Muhammed, and a group of rogue cops including convicted bank robber David Mack were all involved in the planning and execution of the murders of both Biggie and Tupac.

Poole eventually left the force, frustrated by what he claims was reluctance by the brass to follow up on his leads. It is his assertion, in Sullivan's book and a Rolling Stone article that preceded it, that several cops were associated with Death Row Records and street gangs and that his bosses simply did not want this information to come out.

Check out the Los Angeles Times website for Chuck Philips' report.

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Somehow, I doubt this is true. And yet, it is a pretty damning indictment of the cops that they apparently never seriously investigated the possibility. Something has always been a little fishy to me about how no one ever seemed to make much of an effort to find out who killed those two guys.

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Last May or June's (?-The one with La Roca on it) Rolling Stone had a really good article on the inept way the LAPD's handling of the case, and how that members of the LAPD were likely involved.

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This journalist is a dead man. I admire his work, but I'd hate to be in his shoes. He's messing with some powerful, dangerous people.

On Tupac - It's amazing the effect his death had on his fans. I personally have never given a crap, but I once worked with a guy who was a big fan. Shortly after the Makavelli album was released, there were false reports circulating that Tupac was alive and living it up on a desert island. My co-worker, upon hearing this, leaped into the air and shouted, "HEEEEELL YEAH! I KNEW Tupac wasn't dead!"

That's pathetic.

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Interesting food for thought, but I still think the police had a major role in both murders.

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Take this for what it's worth, but Biggie never dissed Tupac in any of his songs. One of the specials I watched said that he was asked if he was going to retailate for Tupac dissing him but he declined.

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While the journalist makes a convincing argument, I don't see us ever finding an answer to what really happened.

As for him being a deadman. I seriously doubt it. Anyone considered dangerous back then now isn't (Suge Knight for example wouldn't be THAT dumb). I seriously doubt anyone but Puffy and his crew of Biggy's friends as well as Suge really care enought to "do anything". Rap's become more mainstream and business like, it stopped trying to cop the bad boy gangster image of independant thug owners a long time ago. Plus it's shit like this that holds back the art that can be rap.

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    Originally posted by tomvejada
    Take this for what it's worth, but Biggie never dissed Tupac in any of his songs. One of the specials I watched said that he was asked if he was going to retailate for Tupac dissing him but he declined.

"Who Shot Ya" is pretty much considered a vieled song at Pac.

And why wouldn't this thread be in KZiM?

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    Originally posted by tomvejada
    Take this for what it's worth, but Biggie never dissed Tupac in any of his songs. One of the specials I watched said that he was asked if he was going to retailate for Tupac dissing him but he declined.

Biggie always *insisted* that "Who Shot Ya" and Tupac being shot were purely coincidental. For what it's worht, I don't ever recall him having anything negative to say about Pac in interviews or the like.

He also recorded at least one song about Pac called "Dig Him Up" for Life After Death where the basic sentiment was "if you think he ain't dead, dig him up." But he decided not to put it on the album.

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Shock, fury and an alibi greeted a Los Angeles Times story on Friday that claimed the Notorious B.I.G. paid for the murder of Tupac Shakur.

The article accuses Biggie, real name Christopher Wallace, of meeting with members of the Crips gang in Las Vegas the night that Tupac was fatally shot and offering them $1 million to kill Tupac. The report also claims that Wallace gave the shooter his own gun to use for the hit during the meeting (see "Biggie Paid Gang To Kill Tupac, Report Says").

"We are outraged at the false and damaging statements," Wallace's family said in a statement. "For the record, Wallace was at his home in New Jersey on the night of Tupac Shakur's murder, with friends who will continue to testify for his whereabouts since he is unable to defend himself."

One of those friends, Junior M.A.F.I.A.'s Lil' Cease, called in to Los Angeles radio station KPWR-FM Friday morning to offer an alibi for Biggie.

"We was home, watching the [Mike Tyson] fight on pay-per-view in Teaneck, New Jersey," Cease told Power 106 radio personality Big Boy. "Two days later he was arrested and in a car accident in New York. How can he be at two places at one time?"

Cease said he was astounded that Times reporter Chuck Philips, who has been covering Shakur's murder since it happened in September 1996, believed B.I.G. was checked into a Las Vegas hotel under a fake name that night and no one knew about it until six years later.

"Big Boy, for somebody to be in Vegas as big as you, how can you miss that?" Cease asked the plus-sized announcer. "Biggie is too big a celebrity to go under a fake name. The place was full of celebrities, stars, boxers, all types of people. Nobody seen Biggie that day. Biggie was not there."

Family and friends of the rapper stressed that Biggie would never have killed Tupac.

"Chistopher's character was both sensitive and loving," his mother, Voletta Wallace, said in a statement. "Not only could my son not have participated in such a crime, but he also wept openly and was desperately saddened at the news of Tupac's death."

"That's not Big," Cease declared. "Read the interviews. Big loved Pac. That's something Big wouldn't do. Even when they were really beefing, Big never responded, he never said nothin' bad about Pac. That's just not Big. It's not in his big heart. It's not in his vocabulary."

Faith Evans, Biggie's widow, said in a statement that there's no truth to what Philips wrote about her husband. "Our family continues to grieve over these and other lies perpetrated by irresponsible parties," she said.

Members of Wallace's family said they're considering a lawsuit against the Times "for untruthful statements and accusations which amount to character assassinations of someone who is himself the victim of an unsolved murder."

Writer Randall Sullivan investigated both rappers' murders for his book "LAbyrinth," which inspired the upcoming documentary "Biggie and Tupac," and he said he hopes the legal action will reveal the truth behind Philips' story.

Both he and former LAPD Detective Russell Poole, the main source in "LAbyrinth," agree with Philips that Crips gang member Orlando Anderson shot Shakur, but they believe Death Row Records CEO Marion "Suge" Knight was behind the crime.

"It sounds like the story was written by Suge, who wants to take some heat off of him[self]," Poole said.

"I think the real question to ask is how did Philips connect with the Crips?" Sullivan added. "Was it Suge Knight, which I strongly suspect it was? And what would be their motive?"

Suge Knight declined to comment on Friday's Los Angeles Times article.

Philips said Crips wouldn't discuss the shooting in the months after it occurred, but that five years later he was able to find people willing to talk. "After it's all forgotten, people feel differently," he said.

"I believe the story we constructed for this paper, everything I have written in there," Philips added. "I heard lots of things and went down lots of paths with this story. It's not like I started out on Monday and ended on Friday. It was a period of more than a year, and countless interviews with individuals that I know no reporter has ever talked to and the police have never interviewed about what I have written here."

Donald David, the lawyer representing Shakur's family, said he was not surprised by the allegations in the Times, but that he believes there is "no evidence either one way or the other" that Biggie was involved in the crime.

"Afeni [Shakur, Tupac's mother,] still believes that the police have not done virtually anything to solve this murder, but she's not going to actively pursue it unless there is something that comes out, which is more evidence than what we've seen to this point," David said. "Chuck Philips has been a strong friend on this. He's done everything that could possibly be asked of him to try and get to the truth. But it's a lot easier for him to get people to talk than it would be for us."

The Notorious B.I.G.'s family, however, said the Times report is disrespectful to Shakur's family. "Both men will have no peace as long as stories such as these continue to be written," their statement read.

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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    This journalist is a dead man. I admire his work, but I'd hate to be in his shoes. He's messing with some powerful, dangerous people.

    On Tupac - It's amazing the effect his death had on his fans. I personally have never given a crap, but I once worked with a guy who was a big fan. Shortly after the Makavelli album was released, there were false reports circulating that Tupac was alive and living it up on a desert island. My co-worker, upon hearing this, leaped into the air and shouted, "HEEEEELL YEAH! I KNEW Tupac wasn't dead!"

    That's pathetic.

While I knew that Tupac was dead it was kind of weird that he released 2 albums and 3 movies after he died.

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I too don't belive that the story is true.

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This story is complete and utter bullshit. If Big was in Vegas the night of the murder we wouldve heard about it LONG before now. I hope his mother and Faith sue the living shit out of the Times for running this shit. This cop claims his sources are LA gang members? PLEASE...

I just so wish people would let these guys rest in peace. Its over and slandering their names does nothing. I love Big more than anyone but Ive given up on them finding his killer.

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Here's an article on the police's mistakes handling the murder of Tupac Shakur


The second segment of a two-part report by the Los Angeles Times alleges that the death of Tupac Shakur could’ve been solved, but wasn’t because of a series of police errors during the investigation and lack of cooperation from witnesses.

According to the report, the Las Vegas police department told reporter Chuck Philips that associates of Shakur’s crew were especially uncooperative, which stalled their investigation.

The rapper was shot six years ago in Las Vegas and the murder remains unsolved by authorities, who felt they gave the rapper equal treatment.

Las Vegas homicide Sgt. Kevin Manning, who spearheaded the investigation, said he and his team did their best considering they had 168 other homicides to investigate. The officer said he received no aid from Shakur’s friends.

"Tupac got the same treatment as any other homicide here," said Manning. "But you know what? We can't do it alone. We rely on cooperative citizens to step forward and help us solve crimes. And in Tupac's case, we got no cooperation whatsoever."

However, the report also alleges that several “missteps” contributed to the shooting being unsolved and that investigators either missed or lost critical information.

The police disregarded that suspected Southside Crip Orlando Anderson, regarded as the killer, had the time to assemble other gang members in time to retaliate on Shakur for an earlier altercation where he was beaten by the rapper and his entourage. They discounted the initial fight completely, the report said.

"Overlooking the gang fight at the MGM was a mistake," said Wes McBride, president of the California Gang Investigators Assn to the Times. Currently, McBride heads a gang training school for police, but, before retiring, worked as a gang intelligence sergeant for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department's Operation Safe Streets division.

He said that overlooking the correlation between the fight and the murder was a critical and costly mistake.

"In gang culture, that fight was a killing offense. If you embarrass a gang member in public, they will retaliate with a vengeance," he said.

Despite the reluctance of witnesses to cooperate, which is generally normal in gang-related slayings, the report alleges t he detectives did not aid treat witnesses with a level of courtesy to make them comfortable with police.

"The police shoved guns in our faces and threatened us. They made us lie face down in the middle of the street. Even after they realized we were telling the truth, they never apologized,” said rapper E.D.I. Mean, who is a member of Shakur’s group The Outlawz. E.D.I. was in the car directly behind Shakur’s on the night of the murder.

"It's the typical gang mentality. Their best friend got shot and nobody saw nothing. The way I see it, if somebody tells me they don't want to talk, what's the point of calling them back over and over again? In this country, citizens have rights," Manning said.

Contrary to Manning’s implication, one member of Shukur’s group, Yafeu "Kadafi" Fula, said that he would be able to identify the triggerman and some of his associates, but the rapper was allowed to leave the city unprotected. The report declared Fula was killed in an unrelated event in New Jersey later on November 10, less than two months after Shakur’s death. At the time of his death, detectives were collecting mug shots of possible suspects for the rapper.

The report also claims the gang members like Orlando Anderson weren’t sufficiently interrogated for evidence.

"We had a bunch of gang members in custody who knew exactly what happened with Shakur--some who we believed were in the Cadillac,” one California investigator said. “Las Vegas [police] expressed no interest whatsoever in talking to any of them. They barely even interviewed Orlando.

Also the report alleges that there was a dramatic lack of cohesion between the LAPD and the LVPD. Unnamed sources charge the Las Vegas officers felt the LAPD was too close to Suge Knight, who made regular political contributions and had extremely close ties within the force.

Tim Brennan, a Compton gang investigator now with the Sheriff's Department, said the murder of Tupac Shakur should have been solved, but investigators were ill prepared.

"I believe Tupac's murder could have been solved--and it still could be. All the clues are right there. What the investigation lacked was input from detectives who understood the gangs involved and how they operate and who all the players are. I believe justice could still be served,” he said.

In Philips’ previous report, he alleged that rapper Christopher “The Notorious B.I.G.” Wallace offered gang members $1 million dollars to murder Shakur, his rival at the time. Orlando Anderson was pointed out as the shooter part one as well. Wallace and Anderson both denied they had any involvement in the Shakur slaying and Wallace’s estate asserted the rapper was in New Jersey that evening.

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I don't think Biggie had anything to do with the shooting of Tupac.

The man who did it is dead,as in Orlando Anderson,but I think Puffy had something to do with it the same as I think Suge had something to do with Biggie's death.

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Agree with Ice Man...the identified shooter was Orlando Anderson. LA Times has a very good story running on this.

Witnesses that were quoted but chose to remain anonymous tell stories...a dead man is given the guilt.

Whether it was a hit or not probably won't be known.
Whether another hit was retribution....same as above.

The media and marketing departments played up the East coast v. West coast to the point that 2 artists lost their lives.

Bad Boy and Death Row still thrive..

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