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Since: 17.11.02

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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74
I don't smoke, I used to, but I don't anymore, it made me smell like shit and I couldn't breathe. Now, while I may not want to smoke, as an ex-smoker, I can remember back in those days where I'd take a few drags and everything would be ok, I'd calm down and be at peace, so I don't mind other people who do smoke.

That was 4 years ago when I quit smoking, I was doing many OTHER things at the time, and my health (...and sanity) caused me to give it all up... cold turkey. Yep, just tossed everything away and didn't bother to look back. I did start drinking again, but that's for another story.

My point here is that why are these fuck head, liberal, greater-then-thou assholes telling people what to do with thier lives. Who the fuck do they think they are, my mother?

I was up at a local mall earlier, and they were up at the food court handing out shit and making people sign some petition. I told the guy to fuck off, cause I was trying to eat my dinner in peace, and he tells me "OH, I guess you smoke." ...I'm like "WTF! No, I'm just trying to eat, do you want ME to come bother YOU if you were trying to eat?" and he was all like "Well, WE'RE doing good work here, WE'RE making the world a better place to live."

I loked him him in the face, pointed to the 6 other orange shirt wearing assholes bothering people and said "NO, you're the fucking Gestapo you fucking nazi! I'm are here to eat, not be berated by an asshole like you." and he looked like he was really pissed off, but he just went to the other table instead, where an older guy looked at him and said "I DO smoke, so back the fuck off."

This was very cool.

(wc-229)



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Since: 12.3.02
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#2 Posted on
And the most stupefying irony of all--the Truth and groups like them are all underwritten by the big tobacco companies.

No wonder they make smoking look cool by comparison.

(edited by Enojado Viento on 21.2.03 2306)


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Since: 6.1.02
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#3 Posted on
They're part of the settlement that the Tabacco companies reached. That's why they're underwritten by them.



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Since: 12.3.02
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    They're part of the settlement that the Tabacco companies reached. That's why they're underwritten by them.


. . .oh, they're *underwritten* all right. *rim shot*

Seriously, I think the "truth" ads and the anti-marijuana PSA have some sort of running competition to thwart all logic and failure to appeal to the decision making processes that people on planet Earth would use.




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Since: 2.1.02

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#5 Posted on
Why does anti-drug propaganda have to be some awful thing concocted by liberals? Isn't adolescent drug use everyone's concern? Shoudn't we reach some kind of bipartisan agreement to do what's best for children?

I believe that people saw a correlation between the anti-drug ads of the 80s with a reduction in adolescent drug use and a subsequent increase when the whole program stopped.

I think the messages are a bit hyperbolic, but that's also what the "This is your brain on drugs egg spot" looked like when it first started airing in the 80s. If it can keep some kids from smoking or doing drugs, I am willing to tolerate it.


DrOp--remember that correlation does not mean causation.



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Since: 1.8.02
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The difference here is that the Truth and Anti-marijuana drugs both lie, exaggerate, and piant smokers out to be worse than nazis. You are a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN if you smoke.

I mean the marijuana commercial where the guys run over the little girl on a bike? COME ON! So they just IGNORED the study done in the UK where they showed that people under the influence of marijuana had a tendancy to drive safer? And don't get me started on the "1 joint=4 cigarettes" garbage. Talk about throwing a fact out there out of context.

"OH, I guess you smoke." Suddenly Cerebus's opinion DID NOT MATTER. Cerebus was against them, so he MUST smoke. And smokers are second class citizens, so he should not waste his time.

If you want to stop kids from smoking and using drugs, that is fine. I was all for that in the 80s, and I am all for that now. But TODAY'S commercials are so full of hate and venom that I would seriously get violent if I ever saw them shooting on the street. Whatever happened to simple, "This is your brain on Drugs" commercials? Those were informative, and effective. And they didn't piss people off. Now its "If you do X, you are a big pile of shit who is worthless in the rest of societies eyes." That is just WRONG.




Not that restraint when posting in a "public" forum isn't a good thing...

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Since: 8.1.02
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#7 Posted on
Cerebus, maybe I'm different, but even if we disagree with people soliciting from and bothering us, should we be that proud of you for intensly cussing people out in public? I mean, couldn't you have just disagreed with them politely and let them know why you think what they are doing is wrong? In fact maybe it would have more of an impact on their tactics and would get them to think about changing more than someone screaming at them in a rage would.

Just a thought...sorry if it offends you (backs away quickly)

DMC

(edited by DMC on 22.2.03 1434)


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Since: 2.11.02
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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    Cerebus, maybe I'm different, but even if we disagree with people soliciting from and bothering us, should we be that proud of you for intensly cussing people out in public? I mean, couldn't you have just disagreed with them politely and let them know why you think what they are doing is wrong? In fact maybe it would have more of an impact on their tactics and would get them to think about changing more than someone screaming at them in a rage would.

    Just a thought...sorry if it offends you (backs away quickly)

    DMC

    (edited by DMC on 22.2.03 1434)



While we dont have these Truth guys you're referring to over here, it has become the latest trend over the last couple of years for any charities/protest groups etc. to adopt a similar hands on approach to spreading their word and taking your money.

While it does seem the decent thing to simply tell them politely that you disagree with their beliefs, I'm afraid this only gives them the false impression that you want to enter into further debate with you.

If you then decline the opportunity to learn more about their campaign you become a 'challenge' which they must overcome, and they seem hell bent on converting you if its the last thing they do.

Whack on top of that the rather irritating self-righteousness of many of these campaigners and you're sadly left with little alternative but to respond as Cerebrus did.

No matter how much I want to politely ignore Greenpeace campaigners these days I seem to have developed an involuntary reaction that results in my screaming at them that "Dolphin friendly tuna just doesnt taste as fu**ing good" or "Nuclear power saves". Its led to no end of personal embarassment. Maybe I'll sue somewhere down the line......



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Since: 8.1.02
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#9 Posted on
I'm not saying you should get into a big debate about beliefs on smoking. Personally, I agree with Truth in so far as I believe we should not promote smoking in our society and should in fact point out its dangers. What I think you *can* debate them on, however, is on some of their tactics. Tell them they should not get into people's faces and bother them, at least not on this issue. I can tell you right now that you would be *right* in standing firm on that, so you wouldn't have to worry about them converting you. You would win.

DMC



"Darwinists sometimes find confirming evidence, just as Marxists found capitalists exploiting workers and Freudians analyzed patients who said that they wanted to murder their fathers and marry their mothers. They find further instances of microevolution, or additional examples of natural relationships, or a fossil group that might have contained an ancestor of modern mammals. What they never find is evidence that contradicts the common ancestry thesis, because to Darwinists such evidence cannot exist. The 'fact of evolution' is true by definition, and so negative information is uninteresting, and generally unpublishable."

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Since: 23.1.02
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All these anti ads are a BIG waste of time and money in my opinion. If you tell a 14 year old NOT to do something, regardless of the validity of your argument they are going to do it. Youth is about rebellion and no commercial is going to convince otherwise. South Park did a great episode exposing the hypocrisy of these ads recently.

There is nothing wrong with smoking. If I want to spend the money and do smoke then that's my perogative. And weed is HARMLESS! Those commercials that say the terrorists profit from weed make me want to smoke more!

Maybe I'm spouting ignorance here but I have NEVER heard of someone getting second hand cancer. Asthma yes, but then again I live in Staten Island. You know, the place where you can see the Dump from space. If I'm getting cancer or asthma its from living here - where are THOSE Truth Ads?
Cerebus
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Since: 17.11.02

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Actually, I'm not totally AGAINST their beliefs, I'm against the way thay are FORCING those beliefs on other people who don't give a shit.

They were standing right at the top of the escalator when I got up to the food court. If they had stopped me there, I wouldn't have minded, but NO, they were WAITING for people to get thier food and sit down and start eating to come and shoot the shit with them.

There is a time and place for everything, and when I'm trying to eat dinner, I don't want some punk nazi telling ME what I should and should not do. Shit, as I had said, I haven't smoked in years, but that asswipe REALLY made me wanna go light up right next to him.

Why were they not OUTSIDE the mall where the standing ash trays are and pissing of THE SMOKERS instead of the people trying to fucking eat, you know.

(wc-159)



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Since: 6.1.02
From: Brooklyn, NY

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
My personal rule is "walking - everything's fine. Sitting, stay the fuck away from me."

Bums, Jesus Freaks, Do-Gooders, Politicians, Street Vendors, whoever, I don't care. If I'm walking down the street, approach me, make your pitch, and if I don't like it I'll walk away. Even if you follow me, I really don't give that much of a shit, I'm still walking and I'll just ignore you. If I'm sitting and you're prepared to walk away after a half second of being ignored or a mumbled "no," that's cool too (such as on the Subway).

But if I'm sitting down and you're not prepared to move on very VERY quickly, that's not cool. That's the stuff that will get me really defensive and hostile. If I have to make YOU leave instead of simply just leaving myself, that pisses me off. Do not ask me for change, to sign a petition, to accept Jesus into my life, to buy socks, or anything else. Directions are fine though.

So personally, I would have first given Truth Guy the chance too move on quickly, but other than that, I come down completely on Cerebus' side on this one.

I do agree though, that this kind of behavior certainly isn't unique to Truth or Liberal groups (and I certainly don't consider anti-tobacco crusaders to be "liberals" anyway) or really any one group, although if I were to have to make a call on who the worst were when it came to this, I'd have to say the Religious nuts.

(edited by MoeGates on 22.2.03 2130)


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Since: 28.4.02
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    The difference here is that the Truth and Anti-marijuana drugs both lie, exaggerate, and piant smokers out to be worse than nazis. You are a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN if you smoke


To be fair, the Truth commercials paint the tobacco companies as the enemies, not the smokers. They paint the smokers as too unintelligent to make their own decisions.





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Since: 12.3.02
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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    The difference here is that the Truth and Anti-marijuana drugs both lie, exaggerate, and piant smokers out to be worse than nazis. You are a SECOND CLASS CITIZEN if you smoke.

    I mean the marijuana commercial where the guys run over the little girl on a bike? COME ON! So they just IGNORED the study done in the UK where they showed that people under the influence of marijuana had a tendancy to drive safer?



I'm more concerned about the one with the two kids getting high in the study. Not because there's weed involved, but what the FUCK is a loaded gun doing out in the open like that? And don't give me that "They probably dug it out of its lock box" crap--using the basic conceit of these ads (namely, that pot immediately makes you dumb as rocks)--if pot made them as stupid as the ad claims, the mechanics of a key and a lock would be beyond them.

As for the guys in the car hitting the kid, I don;t deny that's happened, but overly the statistics of marijuana related accidents with, oh I dunno, drunk driving deaths, and THEN make the argument about which drug is the most dangerous.




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Pool-Boy: I hope you haven't seen that ad about the guy laying a picture down at a makeshift memorial for his sister. See, he ran over her, and he wouldn't recognize her if he was high as hell. And did you know that one out of every three people pulled over for some sort of moving violation tested positive for pot? I forget the specific violation, but it's something where OF COURSE one-third of them are gonna test positive! There's throwing things out there out of context, and then there's digging up the statistic with the biggest number to skew things in your direction. -_-



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Since: 12.10.02
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#16 Posted on
I used to smoke a lot of pot in high school because that's just what teenagers do here. Regardless. I don't think it's possible to smoke so much pot that you can't recognize shit. The only time that's happened to me, I couldn't stand up or stop laughing.

The one with the kid and the gun kills me. You know what 99.9% of kids that high would do with a gun? They'd try to eat it. Or the conversation would go something like this:

"Dude it's a gun."
"Dude don't touch it dude!"
"Where's the bong?"
"Hey who ate all my Cheetos dude!"

As for the cigarettes, the only anti-smoking ads that need to be shown are the ones you see at the dentist. That shit grosses me out. Just run that on TV, the picture of what it does to your teeth. Show the lungs. That's all.
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#17 Posted on
I don't see why anyone who uses pot or smokes cigarettes has to get all offended at commericals that are meant to curb the behavior of adolescents (unless you're an adoloescent). If you use your pot or your nicotine and are happy with it, don't let a commercial get you down, especially when you can change the channel.

As hyperbolic as these commercials are, there is truth to the facts that (a) big tobacco has done some insidious shit that gets ignored by people who refuse to this day to believe that corporations breed conspiracies and cigarettes cause cancer and (b) pot today is extremely more potent and chemically enhanced than pot 20 years ago which is dismissed by people who think marajuana is totally harmless.

Since pot is a "gateway" drug for a number of harder, more deadly substances, it makes sense on a practical level to attack the most benign drug in an effort to "head them off at the pass," so to speak.


I'm not trying to sound anti-pot or cig if that's your thing, just pro-anti-drug commercials.

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Since: 12.10.02
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#18 Posted on
I'm pro anti-drug commercials too, I just want ones that are effective. The ones that are out there now just don't seem very effective to me.
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#19 Posted on
A couple of thoughts:

-My problem with the pot ads is that they show people doping things that you damn well shouldn't be trying to do while stoned (or drunk). Someone who is toasted should not be playing with a gun, or trying to drive a motor vehicle. They could just as easily replace these anti-pot ads with ads saying "if you're going to get baked, send a designated driver out for munchies."

-The only thing I hate more than inconsiderate smokers are militant non-smokers. I loathe smoking as it's a disgusting activity which impedes upon my right not to have to suck in your foul second-hand fumes. I would have no problem with a ban on all smoking in public places. However, it IS a legal activity right now, and if you want to go harass someone, go bother your legislators, not people at the mall. I have no problem with teaching kids what an appalling habit smoking is, but once you get over the age of 15 or so you're never going to be swayed anyhow.

-I really think truth and folks like that are made this annoying solely to discredit them, considering the underwriters of the whole thing. They're like the PETA of the anti-smoking world in that they give the whole movement a bad name and discredit more legitimate campaigns.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by The Masked Hungarian
    If you tell a 14 year old NOT to do something, regardless of the validity of your argument they are going to do it.


WRONG. Tell somebody not to do something with your reasoning behind it being "because I said so," THEN you MIGHT encourage the "frobidden" action. However, if you tell someone not to do something and actually give a good reason for telling them (i.e., "don't smoke because it is bad for both your health and the health of those around you"), then that is when you actually have the deisred effect.
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