A case could be made that Evolution helped out Garrison Cade/Mark Jindrak and Maven as well. They all had relatively high-profile mini-programs with Evolution and came out looking better (relatively speaking).
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Anti-HHH bias aside, let's face it, he's right. Ask yourself where Orton and Batista were a year ago (sorry Rand, clever vignettes guarantee nothing - see O'Haire, Sean) and compare that to where they are now. Like him or not, Hunter has given them the rub that helped them get over the hump.
Originally posted by BigVitoMarkAnti-HHH bias aside, let's face it, he's right. Ask yourself where Orton and Batista were a year ago (sorry Rand, clever vignettes guarantee nothing - see O'Haire, Sean) and compare that to where they are now. Like him or not, Hunter has given them the rub that helped them get over the hump.
I wouldn't go that far, yet. The crowds are still pretty apathetic towards both of them.
I wonder what RVD or Booker or Jericho feel about this....
Also, what happened to "making your own breaks", or "taking the ball & running with it" that the Austins & Takers and HHHs always spout off?
I've got to agree -- HHH has helped these guys out by making them above-midcard players. Do you think Randy Orton would have been made an opponent for Shawn Michaels had he not been in the stable? Or that Batista would be a main-event opponent (on Raw, anyways) for Goldberg?
And as Nate correctly pointed out, any of the younger guys who oppose Orton and Batista, such as Maven, get more exposure because they are facing someone from the main stable on Raw.
This is one case (and there aren't many) of HHH building up stars. Sure, he doesn't like to elevate mid-card guys by putting them over or making them look good. I think that point may have been made once or twice here on this board (you may have to search for it a little bit....). But here is a case where he -- and Flair, of course -- have made Orton and Batista look better by association.
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Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOGI've got to agree -- HHH has helped these guys out by making them above-midcard players. Do you think Randy Orton would have been made an opponent for Shawn Michaels had he not been in the stable?
I think Orton might have because they are going to push this Third Generation Star Template down out throats as many times as they can.
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Of course Triple H said this. Do you really think Hunter was gonna' go on there and say something like "Well, I wanted a Four Horsemen group, so I picked some guys who weren't exactly over, so therefore weren't a threat to my spot, and put them in my group. However, I'm doing all I can to make sure they are over enough to hang around me, but not over enough to be anything more than my lackeys."
The fact is, is that despite the rub from HHH, victories over Michaels, Booker, RVD, and clever vignettes, Randy Orton is still VERY not-over with the fans. Where he excells in the looks department, he lacks in charisma.... and we all know that in this business, that no charisma=fans simply not giving a shit. Look at how the Hardy's got over. They weren't particularly impressive on the mic, or good at cutting promos, but it was their in-ring charisma that got him over.. and the same thing with RVD. Without the charisma, Randy Orton is nothing but big man #37 (I stole that from someone here, I believe it was LotusMegami) Vince might love him, but the crowds say otherwise
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I believe they're coming in with partial creative control, but certainly nothing on the scale of what they (particularly Hogan and Nash) had in WCW. But I haven't heard anything definitive yet on that, so I'll keep you posted.