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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.72
Looks like the deal finally is going through.

Tribe gets Andy Marte & Guillermo Mota from the Red Sox, and Jason Michaels from the Phillies.

Red Sox get Coco Crisp, and the Phillies get Rafael Betancourt or Arthur Rhodes.

Hmmm... Marte and Garko for the eventual infield corners, to join an existing young, talented infield. Michaels in left, Sizemore in center, that still leaves Blake in right *shudder*.

What about the bullpen though? Mota should be a good pickup, but I hope we don't lose Rhodes.

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Giving up Marte might come back to haunt Boston if he turns into a 30/100 guy at a corner position. However, if it was between giving him up for a quality outfielder who is 26 and a .300/15/70 player like Crisp or trading the young pitching prospects for Jeremy Reed's .250/5/40, I take my shot and trade Marte. And Mota became expendable when they signed the mentally balanced Tavarez.
If they sign Gonzalez to play short and bat 9th, all they really would need is a back-up outfielder, preferably someone who bats right handed to back up Nixon. If they somehow could convince Wells to stay, they would have a deep pitching staff, but, the key to the team is going to be the health of Schilling and Foulke. If they are closer to 2004 than 2005, Boston should be in the Wild Card mix.



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Apparently the trade is now "on hold" because Mota failed his physical with the Indians. Manny Delcarmen has been mentioned as a potential replacement for Mota.



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Oh come on, Boston - pull this trade off! If they do, I think they'll be pretty happy with Crisp. He's a really good player, and very likeable as well. I will miss him as an Indian, but I like what this trade brings to the Tribe too much to pass up. Really drove me nuts when one station (Channel 5) here said, "You can rejoice, Crisp is still an Indian!" Grrr...

I can't believe the dimwits around here that are calling in to the radio saying, "Well, two franchises were willing to trade this Marte guy, what's the deal with that?" Their names are Chipper Jones and Mike Lowell. In Atlanta and in Boston, Marte's path to the majors is blocked by third basemen who aren't going anywhere. Sheesh.



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http://www.cleveland.com/newslogs/plaindealer/index.ssf?/mtlogs/cleve_plaindealer/archives/2006_01.html



    Done deal: Indians trade Crisp to Red Sox

    8:37 p.m.

    Paul Hoynes
    Plain Dealer Reporter


    The Coco Crisp trade is done, pending the approval of baseball Commissioner Bud Selig.

    Left-hander Arthur Rhodes' physical was the only thing delaying the three-team deal, but the Phillies were expected to make the acquisition of the veteran reliever official at 8 p.m.

    The Indians received outfielder Jason Michaels in exchange for Rhodes.That allowed the Indians to send Crisp, switch-hitting catcher Josh Bard and right-hander David Riske to Boston for third base prospect Andy Marte, catcher Kelly Shoppach, right-hander Guillermo Mota, cash and a player to be named. Boston right-hander Manny Delcarmen was not included in the deal.

    The Indians will receive at least $1 million from the Red Sox. The exact amount is not known, but the commissioner must approve any deal in which more than $1 million in cash is involved.

    The trade, which stalled in midweek, regained momentum Friday morning when Rhodes flew to Philadelphia for a physical.

    The Associated Press reported the Indians agreed to Rhodes for Michaels portion of the trade pending his physical. Michaels will replace Crisp in left field.

    The Indians believe Marte, scheduled to open the season at Class AAA Buffalo, will be their third baseman of the future. They think he could develop into the middle-of-the-order right-handed hitter they've lacked. Shoppach hit 26 homers at Class AAA Pawtucket last year. He will compete to be Victor Martinez's backup.The player to be named would come from a list of prospects made available to the Indians.




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Danger Danger Paul Hoynes alert!

I know Shapiro has been high on Marte for quite awhile, and if Marte is good as I'm hearing, I'm high on the deal. One thing about Shapiro, is I have learned to trust his judgment. In the course of 3 years he has taken an organization full of overpaid old guys and a farm system that was so slowly picked apart by John Hart in asinine knee jerk trades throughout the late 90's, into a 95 win team, that almost pulled it off last year. I mean there is a reason we haven't taken that 13...14...15 year rebuilding plan, small market teams like Kansas City and Pittsburg have.

Coco is expendable; he is a good player, a nice guy whose twitching index fingers will Garner national attention now he's in Boston. But damn, we need power.

2006 might be a step back for The Tribe, but 2007 Sizemore, Peralta, Pronk, Martinez, Garko, Marte, somebody not named Casey Blake; some studd arms in Buffalo getting in on the deal. I'm getting excited already!



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    Originally posted by Nag
    Danger Danger Paul Hoynes alert!

    I know Shapiro has been high on Marte for quite awhile, and if Marte is good as I'm hearing, I'm high on the deal. One thing about Shapiro, is I have learned to trust his judgment. In the course of 3 years he has taken an organization full of overpaid old guys and a farm system that was so slowly picked apart by John Hart in asinine knee jerk trades throughout the late 90's, into a 95 win team, that almost pulled it off last year. I mean there is a reason we haven't taken that 13...14...15 year rebuilding plan, small market teams like Kansas City and Pittsburg have.

    Coco is expendable; he is a good player, a nice guy whose twitching index fingers will Garner national attention now he's in Boston. But damn, we need power.

    2006 might be a step back for The Tribe, but 2007 Sizemore, Peralta, Pronk, Martinez, Garko, Marte, somebody not named Casey Blake; some studd arms in Buffalo getting in on the deal. I'm getting excited already!






Well, I wouldn't be so hard on John Hart. Yeah, he traded a lot of talent, but a lot of those moves helped the Indians get into the World Series twice in three years. If the Indians had won either one, people would be talking about how Hart was a great GM because he made the moves to get the Indians a title.

This is, assuming Marte pans out, a heck of a trade for the Indians. Coco's decent, and it's always nice to have a guy named after a breakfast cereal in your lineup, but it's not like he's the second coming of Willie Mays or anything.
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Any Cleveland fans want to give me the skinny on Bard?

When I was living in Boston all I heard about was how Kelly Shoppach was the future of catching as we knew it.
Boston's got to be pretty desperate to send away the guy who I took to be their hottest prospect.



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    Originally posted by Brian P. Dermody
    When I was living in Boston all I heard about was how Kelly Shoppach was the future of catching as we knew it.
    Boston's got to be pretty desperate to send away the guy who I took to be their hottest prospect.



Really? I never heard that about Shoppach.
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Everything I ever heard about the guy pointed to his being the guy who would step in any second now to back up Varitek. I guess Wakes still being the pitcher to give Tek a day off forces the need for a Mirabellian/Flahertyesque hardy veteran.
Regardless, I'd always heard Shoppach as untouchable.



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    Originally posted by Brian P. Dermody
    Everything I ever heard about the guy pointed to his being the guy who would step in any second now to back up Varitek. I guess Wakes still being the pitcher to give Tek a day off forces the need for a Mirabellian/Flahertyesque hardy veteran.
    Regardless, I'd always heard Shoppach as untouchable.







Shoppach was an untouchable up until the day they gave Varitek the long term extension after the '04 season. From that point on, he's been available, even to the point where he was going to Colorado in the Bigbie trade at the deadline until that got squashed in one of the front office messes of '05. Shoppach still is 0 for his career in the big leagues at the plate and had fallen behind the pitching prospects Boston had accumulated in terms of minor league importance.
With Coco Crisp in Boston, is it possible the Red Sox could convince Manny that if he behaves this season that Count Chocula could make an appearance?



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A breakfast cereal, a spoony Bard (family in joke) and a pitcher named Riske. Yep; that sounds like a trade the Red Sox would make.



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    Originally posted by Gugs
    A breakfast cereal, a spoony Bard (family in joke) and a pitcher named Riske. Yep; that sounds like a trade the Red Sox would make.



Hey, I don't care if the new CF for the Red Sox is named Mr. Blalalalalalala (from that old Flinstones episode) just as long as he's an at least equal substitution for Damon.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.73
    Originally posted by Brian P. Dermody
    Any Cleveland fans want to give me the skinny on Bard?

    When I was living in Boston all I heard about was how Kelly Shoppach was the future of catching as we knew it.
    Boston's got to be pretty desperate to send away the guy who I took to be their hottest prospect.

Bard is a good, serviceable backup. He and Martinez were touted as the future in catching here a couple of years ago. Obviously, Martinez won that battle and isn't going anywhere, so the Shoppach involvement here is somewhat confusing. Especially since the Tribe signed Einar Diaz to a minor league deal this winter - I figured he would be the backup.

BOSsportsfan34: Crisp, as far as I am concerned, is going to be better than Damon and much younger. Boston did good in getting the Yankers to overpay for Damon, then upgrade the position. Crisp has a good head on his shoulders, hustles, and has been a good team-first player.



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