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I swear, every other scene on this damn season has someone in tears or falling down drunk. What the hell is going on? Any indy workers out there able to confirm or deny? Is wrestling just drinking and crying?

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Shouldn't Jamie have been the one to get cut? I'm sure they want her there until the end, so they can at least have one girl, but I also think fair is fair, and she is the worst of the bunch. Oh well. I'm picking Matt and Johah as the winners.



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First Paulina, then Anni, and now Jamie. Every season it seems like the resident big girl has a confidence problem that holds her back in the ring.

Good episode, I was expecting Jonah to get cut this week but they cut Justin instead. Interesting that they actually showed Justin messing up before getting cut. Considering the role that editing plays in how the contestants are presented, I get the sense the producers wanted to show Justin's screw-ups so they don't receive the same criticism they received when Danny was cut last season. Whether or not Justin was any better or worse than everyone else is something I cannot determine based on the footage from the show. The producers did go out of their way to present Justin as a cypher so his cut could look justified. I'm sure they could find something in the footage they have to construct a "storyline" for Justin. I'm not saying that I am particularly attached to Justin but I do find a few things interesting about how he was (not) presented in the show prior to cut.

How many people think that Jonah wasn't sincere in his speech about his relationship. I could hear the violins playing in the background. He had every intention of cheating on his girlfriend with Jill and he was complaining about how he couldn't be apart from her. I just don't feel sorry for him. Everytime he has difficulty with his training, he starts having "doubts." Al is right about him, he's just not ready for the spotlight.

If the rumors about there being three finalists are true, I expect Jamie and Jonah to be the next ones to go.

Next week's clip looks interesting. Probably the best next episode preview clip for a Tough Enough episode ever.

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This week's episode was good till Bradshaw showed up.

I was kinda surprised that Jonah survived the cut.

I think it's Jonah and Matt that'll win.



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Pushing for Matt and Jonah although I think Eric may take Matt's spot.

There was nothing special about Justin, he was going to be gone sooner or later.

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#6 Posted on
I've been more into this season than either of the previous. I'm even pulling for Jonah to win, to the point I actually exhaled when Al told him to sit down.

I'm not sure if Jonah is going to win one of the contracts... but I do think one of the major reasons they've kept him despite his and their doubts is his personality. The kid has charisma, I don't doubt that. He's a character you want to watch... to see if he pulls a joke here, or makes fun of that wrestler there, etc. I think he's great in terms of character...

But then again, Eric, John, and Matt are all VERY GOOD contenders as well. (Jamie is out.) I'm not sure who will get the contracts, but these three will all be signed eventually.
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For some reason, I'm really starting to hate fucking Big. I just can't put my finger on exactly why...



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I don't think there really was any additional reason to show why Justin got cut. The guy just did not have any charisma at all, which was evident in every single segment he was in. He made Benoit look like mid-80's Hogan in terms of personality. Also, he simply looked like a goober.

I hate saying it, since Justin became the underdog that I had to root for after Scott was cut, but with his bland persona and look, but I'm amazed he lasted as long as he did.

I'm thinking Matt and Eric get the contracts from the show, but Jonah may end up like Chris Harvard and latch on later, once he makes up his mind once and for all he wants to be a wrestler. I think losing the competition would be the kick in the ass he needs to make him realize it's what he wants to do.
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There's just something very disingenuous about the whole show. I guess that's because it's on MTV. But every time Al Snow gives his speech about how they're his "kids" and he's very proud of all of them, I want to throw up. Ask some of the contestants from previous shows if Al takes their phone calls any more. "Big" can be likeable at times, but he can also browbeat the contestants for no reason, like the first girl who quit.

And if they want these kids to get over, why are they being trained by people who have languished in the lower card for lacking the skills that they're trying to impart to the contestants? Bill DeMott, Bob Holly, Al Snow, Ivory and even the Brooklyn Brawler are trying to stress the importance of charisma? Combined, they couldn't get the heat that Kurt Angle draws with one look.

A friend brought this up, and it's worth repeating - How serious are they about making stars out of these kids? I know they can't get a mega-push right off, but it seems like they're just boosting the cannon fodder ranks with fresh bodies.



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All of you are forgetting John. He's obviously going to win (along with Matt) and here's why:

1. They have shown JONAH JONAH JONAH all season and very little of John. In past years when they have overplayed a person at the beginning, it's because they are going to go down. We didn't even see Taylor or Maven for several weeks on TE1, we just had clips of Greg and Paulina because MTV wants to get the most out of each character.
In short: too much of Jonah = he will not win.
Very little of John = he is in like Flynn.
2. John has the good backstory. In TE2, he applied but was ridiculed by Jim Ross and the trainers because he claimed to be a WWE fan and didn't know what a Spinarooni was. Then they ridiculed him for his gymnast physique.
BUT - in true dramatic fashion, he didn't give up. He trained hard and came back the next year. He has a new attitude and really looks ready to do something. This week the trainers called him "the prodigy." It reeks of "determined underdog" gimmick.

I think Matt will win because Eric lacks charisma, Jamie is butt ugly and Jonah will not make it. Matt has a good look and is good in the ring...I think he and John would make a good tag team.

(edited by Parts Unknown on 3.1.03 1520)


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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    "Big" can be likeable at times, but he can also browbeat the contestants for no reason, like the first girl who quit.


Big had every reason to hammer on Jill. She went through one day of training and quit. Like he said at the time, he sent 12 other people home who would have chewed their arm off to be there. He had every reason to be pissed.



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    Originally posted by mountinman44

      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      "Big" can be likeable at times, but he can also browbeat the contestants for no reason, like the first girl who quit.


    Big had every reason to hammer on Jill. She went through one day of training and quit. Like he said at the time, he sent 12 other people home who would have chewed their arm off to be there. He had every reason to be pissed.








But wouldn't that fall under his fault for making a bad decision?



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Maybe he made the bad decision, but it seems more like a situation of misrepresentation on her part. He selected her because she gave the impression that she could withstand the trials and pain to come. He may very well feel responsible for picking someone who wussed out so quickly, but all that did was fuel the fire he directed at her.

I think John is in. I'm hoping Matt makes it. I would not be surprised if those two and Eric are all in the WWE in a few years, regardless of which two win.



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Psh. Jill was selected because she and Jonah had been involved, and there was the chance of soap opera dramatics. In other words: MTV wanted "good TV" and Jill could have offered some good TV. Instead, it was Scott who fulfilled that role.
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I've barely bothered to watch Tough Enough 3, but from the sound of things, they did a great job of picking the biggest bunch of mental cases possible.

At least it's believable that Bill DeMott would come out of THAT shit in an eternally bad mood...

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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    There's just something very disingenuous about the whole show. I guess that's because it's on MTV. But every time Al Snow gives his speech about how they're his "kids" and he's very proud of all of them, I want to throw up. Ask some of the contestants from previous shows if Al takes their phone calls any more.


Yeah, like that kid Josh and that kid Chris who were both thrown away like tissues after Maven & Nidia won TE...

OH WAIT.

And I'd LOVE to know how you got Al Snow's phone records.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    How serious are they about making stars out of these kids?


Not very, I would think. But has that EVER been the intent of the show? The winners get "a WWE contract," whatever that means.

Tough Enough is super-cheap reality programming for MTV, and serves as a cross-promotion vehicle for Vince.

If by some miracle any of the contestants actually show any talent for ANYTHING, that pretty much falls under the category of "gravy."
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    All of you are forgetting John. He's obviously going to win (along with Matt) and here's why:

    1. They have shown JONAH JONAH JONAH all season and very little of John. In past years when they have overplayed a person at the beginning, it's because they are going to go down. We didn't even see Taylor or Maven for several weeks on TE1, we just had clips of Greg and Paulina because MTV wants to get the most out of each character.
    In short: too much of Jonah = he will not win.
    Very little of John = he is in like Flynn.
    2. John has the good backstory. In TE2, he applied but was ridiculed by Jim Ross and the trainers because he claimed to be a WWE fan and didn't know what a Spinarooni was. Then they ridiculed him for his gymnast physique.
    BUT - in true dramatic fashion, he didn't give up. He trained hard and came back the next year. He has a new attitude and really looks ready to do something. This week the trainers called him "the prodigy." It reeks of "determined underdog" gimmick.

    I think Matt will win because Eric lacks charisma, Jamie is butt ugly and Jonah will not make it. Matt has a good look and is good in the ring...I think he and John would make a good tag team.

    (edited by Parts Unknown on 3.1.03 1520)

Dead on. (Well, except the part about Jamie. Let's just move past that. Otherwise ... )

They said of John that he's a "prodigy", & didn't they call Matt "a natural"? (Cubs, isn't that what they said? :-) ) The big plus for Eric was that he has a good look -- if a "good look" were sufficient, then Jake (Was that his name? The guy with the wedgie-mohawk hair?) would have been in from day 1. We haven't seen Eric do anything spectacularly good, but hd did lose big maturity points with his pathetic handling of the chick in Iceland.

Jonah could just as well have been cut along with Justin. Whether he's still with us for the sake of TV, or because Al's a nice guy, & didn't want to seem like they were cutting Jonah because he talked to Al (Smart strategic move on Jonah's part, to squeeze out another week of TV time.) -- doesn't really matter. He's not as good technically as the other guys, & there's no way he's close to mature enough to go out on the road with the big boys. And the trainers have mentioned several times that he'd likely freeze in front of a live audience. He makes for fine MTV programming, but is not going to be getting a contract with the WWE.

I'm still sticking with Matt & John as the winners.
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    Originally posted by emma
    Jonah could just as well have been cut along with Justin. Whether he's still with us for the sake of TV, or because Al's a nice guy, & didn't want to seem like they were cutting Jonah because he talked to Al (Smart strategic move on Jonah's part, to squeeze out another week of TV time.) -- doesn't really matter. He's not as good technically as the other guys, & there's no way he's close to mature enough to go out on the road with the big boys. And the trainers have mentioned several times that he'd likely freeze in front of a live audience. He makes for fine MTV programming, but is not going to be getting a contract with the WWE.


Well, what indication is there that they'll throw the winners out in front of a live audience immediately? I mean, sure, they did that last season, and look at what happened. But are they going to repeat it, or learn from it?

As for my picks, I'm sticking with Jonah and John. Matt will eventually make it in, though.



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Well, what indication is there that they'll throw the winners out in front of a live audience immediately? I mean, sure, they did that last season, and look at what happened. But are they going to repeat it, or learn from it?
They did it last season with "mixed" results (let's just say), & they did it the previous year with fine results. Maven & Nidia actually did really well for never-ever rookies with just 3 months of training.

They will absolutely throw the winners onto WWE programming immediately after the winners are announced, at least for a little while. One of the big crossover aspects of TE on MTV is to draw the MTV audience into WWE programming. If those viewers spend all TE season getting interested in the TE characters, it would be hugely disappointing (read: stupid) if the winners didn't immediately show up on the real show. Those viewers will turn on the first RAW/Smackdown following the announcement just to see how the winners do -- that segment on WWE programming becomes the next episode of TE.

One thing I've always wondered: What do they do with the finalists in the 3-4 month interval between the filming of the last show & the "live" announcement of the real winners? Do they let them all hang out at OVW? Or just send them home? Keep them sequestered in a secret training facility in Iceland?
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