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The Great Thomas
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#1 Posted on
Okay, here are my gripes. On the first Tough Enough, the winners were Maven and Nidia. Nidia has done well for herself due to proper training and has become an amazing valet and decent wrestler, while Maven had gotten a huge push, and were it not for his broken foot, would also be doing well for himself.

On Tough Enough II, the winners were two women, Jackie Gayda and Linda Miles. Both women were rushed right into the WWE arena without the proper training, and while to me, Linda did a good job in her debut match, Jackie absolutely stunk, especially after botching up Trish's top-rope bulldog. Both women were immediately sent to Ohio Valley. We have yet to witness their return.

Now, Tough Enough III is just around the corner, and I can only hope that the WWE will have learned from their mistakes, for everyone's sake. I, for one, look forward to seeing how the new hopefuls will do this year.





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#2 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Great Thomas
    Okay, here are my gripes. On the first Tough Enough, the winners were Maven and Nidia. Nidia has done well for herself due to proper training and has become an amazing valet and decent wrestler, while Maven had gotten a huge push, and were it not for his broken foot, would also be doing well for himself.

    On Tough Enough II, the winners were two women, Jackie Gayda and Linda Miles. Both women were rushed right into the WWE arena without the proper training, and while to me, Linda did a good job in her debut match, Jackie absolutely stunk, especially after botching up Trish's top-rope bulldog. Both women were immediately sent to Ohio Valley. We have yet to witness their return.

    Now, Tough Enough III is just around the corner, and I can only hope that the WWE will have learned from their mistakes, for everyone's sake. I, for one, look forward to seeing how the new hopefuls will do this year.



Well, we have to remember that while Jackie and Linda are going to be at OVW for awhile, so was Nidia. I remember before she showed up with Noble, people were constantly either ridiculing her or griping, saying she was permanently placed in the minors. Jackie and Linda will have their day...I never thought Nidia would amount to anything, but now, she's awesome.

I'm not looking forward to TE3. The first season rocked my face, but the second was so lackluster, I just can't seem to care anymore. I hope they've corrected a lot of the problems.
I'm sure I'll watch it anyway.



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Am I the only one who thinks a couple seasons off from Tough Enough would help? The show shouldn't be producing talents faster than the fed can utilize them...Maven and Nidia got in under the wire, by which I mean just barely before people forgot who the hell they were. Maven, though, has the advantage of being pretty (according to some girls I know) while Nidia got a great angle to work with. By the time Linda and Jackie come back, however, they'll be largely forgotten. They weren't even getting pops the first week on TV from the end of the show. What are the odds they'll have any kind of rub from TE when they come back again, months from now? For the record, the episode of TE2 I watched was the hot-tub episode. I hope none of that crap finds its way on to TE3. I don't watch TE for porn. That's what porn is for.



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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    For the record, the episode of TE2 I watched was the hot-tub episode. I hope none of that crap finds its way on to TE3. I don't watch TE for porn. That's what porn is for.
If I wanted to see porn on MTV, I'll just look at Undressed!





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From what I recall, Jackie got a pretty big pop when she was first on TV, when she turned heel and shoved Linda off the top rope. I at least loved it. I think people will remember her and welcome her back. Personally I never thought she was as bad as everyone says--blowing a couple spots in one match before which the announcers *pre-warned* the audience that the girls would be green is not earth shattering. She should have been given another chance on one of the weekend shows. Linda was boring as hell and I wouldn't mind if she never returns.

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DMC, you know how much I like you dude. But your defense of Jackie Gayda is one of the very few things you write about that I just can't get my head around =). She had a pretty huge brain freeze in that match and panicked like crazy. Plus her promos was really bad, even for WWE women standards it stood out as particularly bad. It sounded like she was reading off cue cards. And that was surprising because during TE they made such a big deal on how important that is... Much like Nidia time in the minors could do her wonders, I was one who was about to write off Nidia but she's great now, one of the more interesting character out there. Linda I'm kinda indifferent, I like her look and she seemed like she could bring more of an athletic unique style, Maybe an athletic Stacy? Who knows.

As for the guy(s). I guess Maven is okay. But personally I never see him more then Tough Enough winner, I still don't see him as his own person... Unlike one of my favourites in the WWE, Chris Nowinski. Don't know if you guys didn't mention him because technically he's not a TE winner or if you are like me that I don't even consider him being in the contest. He really broke off to his own character and completely away from the TE show (much like Nidia). He has decent novice skills but seems like a natural charisma to be a decent player in the WWE.





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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    From what I recall, Jackie got a pretty big pop when she was first on TV, when she turned heel and shoved Linda off the top rope. I at least loved it. I think people will remember her and welcome her back. Personally I never thought she was as bad as everyone says--blowing a couple spots in one match before which the announcers *pre-warned* the audience that the girls would be green is not earth shattering. She should have been given another chance on one of the weekend shows. Linda was boring as hell and I wouldn't mind if she never returns.

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The problem is that there's a difference between being inexperienced and being so bad in the ring that you expose the business. I think she could really benefit from some time in the minors, though, and then again, maybe she was the second best person on the show.



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    Originally posted by drjayphd

      Originally posted by DMC
      Personally I never thought [jackie] was as bad as everyone says--blowing a couple spots in one match ... is not earth shattering...

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    The problem is that there's a difference between being inexperienced and being so bad in the ring that you expose the business.



You mean like Randy Orton (who is supposed to be such hot shit) blowing his finisher, then just REPEATING THE SPOT??? And taking his sweet time setting it up, too. Talk about somebody needing more experience ...

Which is a roundabout way of saying I agree 100% with DMC; people went way, WAY overboard dumping on Jackie Gayda for one match. Male wrestlers blow spots BADLY all the time; how come they're given a pass, yet there was all this outrage when the new girl messed up?

I mean, come on ... exposing the business? Are you kidding me?
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Shea: I think the problem with Jackie was that she had not shown herself to be anything good on TE, and that her previous matches, IIRC, were really sloppy. (Or maybe it was just people being Trish fanboys/girls. ) I don't know about the earlier TV matches... that one match was all I'd seen of her in the ring.

Besides, people had seen Orton in the minors, so at least his pass was probably based on "he's OK in the minors", but more likely, he had time to marinate down there, while Jackie was thrown right from TE onto Raw.



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#10 Posted on
Shea,

I still say this blown spot was intentional. First of all, it was clearly Christian's fault the spot was blown - and that is extremely uncharacteristic. Second, Shea, WWE is trying to make Orton a heel by pushing him way too hard as a face, so much so that the fans reject him a la Rocky Maivia. Moments like the blown finisher only help this angle along - they help the fans realize that he really isn't "the shit," which is why I think it was a planned spot. (Along with what I said about Christian, too - how often do you see him blow spots at all - let alone that BADLY?)



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Oh Faust I don't know about that =) It just seemed like a legit screw up. Also how they edit out the screw up on on BottomLine (Raw recap show) it probably shows that it wasnt' done on purpose... Saying that they did a pretty decent job snipping the missed spot on BottomLine you see a little edit but if you weren't really paying attention it looks like just a camera cut. Which of course begs the question how much is this done on Smackdown. We kinda saw it this week with Brock scooping up Mysterio and looked like an edit took place. SD guys/gals seem to have a big advantage because of this.

I think Shea says an interesting point. People really seemed to have the pitchforks out for Gayda (and I was one of them). I always said that sending her down is best for Jackie Gayda because she needed work on all aspects... And yes I did blame Gayda for the match and not because of being a Trish mark (which I am). I looked at Trish/Gayda match like Booker/Buff. One person was prepared and the other was so lost.

But yeah in the past weeks we've see Ortan screw up we seen Brock screw up and we seen 3 minute fat guys break a lesbian's rib and 2 weeks ago one absolutely had a brain freeze and came in a couple of seconds late to break a three count especially after he had 90 seconds to prepare himself after a spinaroonie/ playing up to the crowd/ ax kick on his partner and he still wasn't in position (interesting the 3 min. fat guys were not on Raw last week).

ON a side note, I am looking forward to TE3 for one reason. Tazz covered his ass by putting some blame on Trish for that match saying it takes two to screw up while on Byte This (which is BS see Buff/Book, Gunn/Benoit). I just want to see when a student messes up if he will now say "Oh it's okay it's just as much my fault as yours" Huh lets see. (I dont' even know if he's a trainer for TE3?)

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 13.10.02 0631)


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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    Oh Faust I don't know about that =) It just seemed like a legit screw up. Also how they edit out the screw up on on BottomLine (Raw recap show) it probably shows that it wasnt' done on purpose... Saying that they did a pretty decent job snipping the missed spot on BottomLine you see a little edit but if you weren't really paying attention it looks like just a camera cut.



Aw shucks, I didn't know about the Bottomline edit thing. Oh well, one could still make the argument that the WWE is being very clever about the "screw up" making it seem legit, but that would be giving WWE waaay too much credit for creativity. So, I concede to you - the crew up was probably legitimate.

But - I still stand by my argument that it really looked like Christian's fault. I suppose it's possible that Orton failed to make sure Christian was ready - but to me it just looked like Christian failed to cooperate.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    (I dont' even know if he's a trainer for TE3)


I don't believe so. As far as I know the entire training roster for TE3 is:

Al Snow
Bill DeMott (Hugh Morris, or Hugh G. Rection, if you so desire)
Ivory

I'm a little dissapointed they don't have a little guy in there again (as Chavo was last time), but then again, aside from Chavo, I really don't know who'd they'd use off hand.

They'll also have a few guest spots (according to Lance Storm, he'll be one of them).

As for Jackie:

Eh. I don't know. Was she ready? No. Was Nidia when she was first called up? No. But then again, Nidia didn't work a match. Again. Eh.

Blaming a green as hell girl for blowing some spots, or even expecting a decent match from her, before she's had a handful of matches in front of a live crowd is like saying that you expect somebody who's only played backyard touch football to go out and rush for 100 yards against an NFL Team. Could it happen? Yeah, sure. Is it likely? Hell no.

Is it the WWE's problem for putting her in the situation? Yes and no. Yes, because they knew her limitations and how unlikely it was that she'd have anything resembling a great match, and put her in that sitation anyway. No, because they were trying to make a quick buck off of the popularity of TE2 by throwing them out there to get some face time before they got shipped off to OVW, and plus they had an image to project to the home viewing audience. The rules of TE state that the winners get a WWE contract. How does it look to the average fan when the TE winners have this big celebration and then dissappear for months on end (yeah they go to OVW, but how many people know that?). It looks like the WWE isn't fulfilling its end of the bargain. By letting them have a match or two (however bad), at least it shows the crowd "Yes, these people ARE in the WWE, now please don't forget about them while we spend time giving them the rest of their training".

I have no reason to believe that the plan was anything else (to send them to OVW after a quick TV run), and that assumption is supported by the fact that that's exactly what they did with Nidia and Maven. So, just forget that her match with Trish ever happened. Block it from your mind. Now wait and see what she's like after she comes back from OVW.



Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (1-4) - A win is a win.
Badgers (5-2) - Indiana? INDIANA?!?! *sigh*
Twins (OUT) - Oh well, if we're still around next year...
Buffy 7.3 earns a 8.04 Out of 10 for being the funny, but throwing out enough plot contrivances to last us the whole damn season. Anya however = Hillarious.
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